OH MY GOD! THE ONE REPUBLICAN I THOUGHT I GOT ALONG WITH

[The Backlash Cometh]

JUST FINISHED SAYING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE GONE INTO IRAQ AND KILLED EVERY MAN, WOMAN, AND CHILD! She supported mass genocide of the Sunnis, Kurds and Shiites, Baaths, you name it. Her son said that he didn't care how many people Bush wiretapped because he hoped they kill them all!!! He just assumes that every one of the wiretaps are justifiable!

This isn't getting better, it's getting worse!

I told her she might as well put a gun to my son's head because if she has her way, his future is gone. I told her that she is grossly overestimating our strength in the world. That our allies would not have tolerated watching us go in and commit genocide, and that we would be facing bombings on our own homeland.

Folks, these people are fucking crazy! I swear to you there isn't one Republican in this county that I've met in over ten years that even sounds remotely sane!

AAAAARRRRRGGHHH! We need a fucking support group!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. OK, so which is it going to be: bring them democracy or kill them?

I thought the latest excuse for invading Iraq was to bring freedom to those poor oppressed people who suffered so much under evil old Saddam Hussein. How are they going to enjoy the fruits of democracy if we kill them all? Am I missing something?

[Gato Moteado]

5. you're only missing the fact that republicans....

...are not sane.

[The Backlash Cometh]

7. Something is getting lost in the message, innit?

[Solomon]

114. It's called "liberating" them.

From life.

[Rocknrule]

152. We're "liberating" them by sending them to heaven

Sounds like W's logic

[Tigress DEM]

138. RE: Am I missing something? ---- OSaMa!

If the wacky mom of the rethug soldier really wants to get those responsible for 9/11, let's get back on the hunt for OSaMa that got deferred so *ush could go grab some oil. $700 MILLION diverted from Afghanistan at the crucial moment. OSaMa's family let leave the US before US citizens could take private planes up w/o getting shot.

And it isn't the Iraqi's who are being wire tapped. Geeze, most still would be happy with water, electricity and food - phones? What a luxury!

[Gato Moteado]

2. sounds like an average freeper

i say, send 'em all to the front lines in iraq. those that refuse to go get sent to gitmo.

it'd be cool to read rimjob's mindless dribble from a cage in gitmo.

[PatriotGames]

108. My thoughts, exactly. Tough talkers when they are over here.

[Quakerfriend]

3. Exactly who are you refering to, Backlash?

[The Backlash Cometh]

10. Someone I've known for over 25 years.

She's the mother of my son's godfather. She is a Republican, but I thought she was one of the good ones. Not any more.

[BillZBubb]

54. "one of the good ones"--Thanks for the laugh!

There are no good ones. Once our side realizes that, we'll be in much better shape. Sadly, too many on our side put hope ahead of experience and believe there are "good ones" in the Repug camp. You must remember their basic philosophy is warped beyond measure--what is Republicanism? Once you figure that out, you know there are no good Repugs.

I don't care if it's your mother, father, brother, sister, or granny. Republicanism is about personal greed and enforcing their viewpoint through force. You can't not be evil and believe in those things.

[FreedomAngel82]

67. Not traditional republicans hon

My dad is a traditional republican and has given lots of his time and money to help causes whether it's the inner city or something else with Katrina victims and other things throughout the years. He's hoping to go down and help clean up with a group from our church in the first/second week in January if his back and knee is doing okay (he's been having trouble with them lately, he was in a motorcycle wreck when he was about my age). I know someone in China who is teaching people English now and someone else who did the same in Singapore and helping in other ways. So please stop acting like you know every single person in our country who has an (r) by their name.

[The Backlash Cometh]

70. And I heard once that Republicans were once conservationist.

But I think there's more proof of Yeti...

[FreedomAngel82]

75. But still stop acting like you know

every single person in the country with an (r) after their name. As someone who is the only liberal in my family I do take offense that you're being disrespectful to my family just because George Bush and the neocons decided to invade the republican party with their sick agenda(s). You're also showing high disrespect for Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt who were great republicans and people I'll always have high respect for. Even FDR admired his cousin. Only people I don't have respect for are the neocons. Not real republicans like my father, grandfather (who loved FDR and hated Bush), both grandmothers etc. And for the record my grandmother on my mother's side saw F911 and doesn't have any respect for Bush and my grandmother on my dad's side doesn't trust him anymore and even thinks he's not a real Christian (this is someone who used to support him).

[The Backlash Cometh]

80. I was being facetious, Sorry. Didn't mean to offend.

I know there are moderate Republicans that understand the Bush just trampled on our constitution and will demand impeachment. I just brought up the conservation angle, because I think that is one ideal which they've completely dropped from the platform.

[FreedomAngel82]

126. It's not so black and white as people like to think

Look at all the "media" has done to our country. It's hard now days to know who's telling you the truth. It took me a good while to figure everything out and I'm still learning. That's one thing I get so pissed off at. Nothing in our world is black and white.

[The Backlash Cometh]

132. Perhaps not. But moderate Republicans did it to themselves by

not fighting harder and louder against conservatives in their own party. They sort of morphed into one by default. Of course, that's the source of their strength, isn't it? They vote as one, so we tend to see them as one.

[Occulus]

87. Those are not "modern" republicans.

They are conservatives. Yes, there is a difference.

I'm tending more and more to agree with the original post: you can indeed be an honorable conservative, and in fact there are plenty of times when conservatism is laudable and even necessary.

However, republicans have more and more been behaving in a neo-liberal, which is to almost say neo-Nazi, fashion. Republicanism and conservatism have come to mean very different, and even diametrically opposed, points of view.

It is something of an irony that "neo-liberal" and "neo-conservative" have come to mean exactly the same thing, isn't it?

We really must get over the idea that conservative = republican. That simply is no longer true. In fact, on many issues- from the national debt to the environment to helping families to health care- Democrats, REAL Democrats, are behaving more and more in a truly conservative fashion (by protecting, or conserving, the environment, by protecting, or conserving, the well-being of the family- however we each define our families- and by placing restraints upon, or conserving, money through sensible budetary policies).

WE are becoming the true "conservatives". Republicans are behaving, more and more, in a neo-liberally destructive manner.

[Solomon]

117. Well said. Not to offend the so-called "good" republicans, but all

their good efforts seem to be for naught if they voted for the asshole. That's why I don't want to give 'em too much of a break. I can barely understand them voting for him the first time, but the second time...? All the good works a single republican can do pales in comparison to the horror unleashed on the world thru Bush.

[FreedomAngel82]

127. You're still claiming it's all black and white

My grandmother on my dad's side voted for Bush this last time. She was a supporter and didn't get why I was voting for Kerry, but just a little while before Thanksgiving she confessed that she no longer believes him and is even doubting his "faith." So what about people like my grandmother eh? You're just going to write them off. Stop living in a bubble.

[IdaBriggs]

142. We don't have to worry about writing them off; if she's a good Republican,

she'll just die before she sucks up any more social security money.

:sarcasm:

[BillZBubb]

125. Sorry if the truth hurts.

If you dad still calls himself a Republican, he's not a good person. If you know someone teaching English in China, bully for you, but how is that helping save the planet from the Republican maniacs now in charge???? I don't have to know every person, but I do know the Republican party platform and I know what the Republicans vote for in office. Anyone who supports ANY of that is not good.

It's too bad you don't realize how deep the Republican rot runs. "Traditional" Republicans are little better. They aren't evil to the core like the current bunch, but they aren't that far off either. The self-absorbed, pro-war streak is a common trait. Your family ties and friendships are blinding you to the truth.

[FreedomAngel82]

128. Give me a freakin break

You're hatred for people are blinding you. Get off it. You're only about labeling someone. So get off it. How are you going to get people to vote democratic if you treat them like that? You expect them to come over to our side with how people like you are treating them? LOL! Grow up honey! I don't care how old you are, you're seriously living in a bubble. Whenever you're ready for the real world let me know. Than we can start talking about winning areas and people over.

[BillZBubb]

129. Don't be disingenuous, I do not expect them to come over.

Almost any adult who now calls him/her self a Republican is not going to become a Democrat. They've seen the evil done in their name, yet still claim the label. It's not hatred, it's the facts of the matter.

The only way those people will ever vote Democratic is if the Republicans lead us into an economic disaster that affects them personally. Then they'll get mad and vote Democratic until the crisis passes, then they'll revert. Only what directly and negatively affects them will move them. Whatever I say about them won't change that simple fact one way or another.

[Tsiyu]

4. Amazing, isn't it?

They just happily skip down that Primrose Path....

Reality is gonna bite for these people some day, and then you will feel pity for them.

:hug:

[The Backlash Cometh]

12. Where is the disconnect with these people?

You know, I think this is England's fault. England is our only real ally and if they had stood up to our dishonesty, it might have balanced things out.

[Quakerfriend]

23. It's almost as if they are all bipolar.

Nothing against those with this condition. But, so out of touch with reality. And, they are know for twisting the truth and turning it upside down. It is truly scary to see how out of touch some of these freepers are! I've got a whole bunch of them in my own family.

[The Backlash Cometh]

27. The scary part is that I would never have called them freepers.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

35. Bipolar folks aren't this delusional

and they don't stick with any topic long enough to make sense about it, most of the time.

I have intimate knowledge of this!

[Tsiyu]

66. These are fearful people who want to remain part of a safe group

At least, in their own eyes, they are safe.

Their intense fear and need to belong cause them to speak against their own interests.

They get nice shoes and their kids are dressed nice, so why not go with the flow?

[The Backlash Cometh]

72. Between making decisions of what is right and what is easy, they

pick easy. They think annihilating 26 million people is easy.

[Tsiyu]

90. It's all abstract to them

What is real is getting noticed by the President of the Gardening Club or your kid dating the "right" girl.

They create so much drama in their itty-bitty, meaningless lives - in order to feel a sense of belonging, yet they fail to comprehend the real suffering of large-scale drama.

[PatriotGames]

No pity.

[Lars39]

110. OT, but has anyone heard anything more about that brave bus driver?

I'm drawing a blank on his name. The last I had read, they were trying to charge him.

[bobbieinok]

6. some go further...'destroy all Muslims and Muslim countries'

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14. Do they realize that this would be unwinnable for us?

She really believed we should have leveled the country with bombs. Where did they get the idea that this was even feasible?

[Lydia Leftcoast]

113. There was a prominent, multi-thousand post DUer who advocated

that immediately after 9/11. I'm not making this up, either. It was pretty shocking, and I gave him hell for it.

[proud patriot]

8. They are ordered to say outrageous things to liberals

it's their hope to set you to rage .

Your "friend and son" must be very
defensive and scared right now .

[The Backlash Cometh]

16. I told her that her man was going down and I was going to enjoy

every minute of it. We need to tear down people like Chris Matthews who feed these people's imagination that Bush is remotely noble.

[stepnw1f]

111. And We Need to Destroy their Myths

and to break down their walls of defense. I do believe these folks are all fear based people.

[Mr_Spock]

9. Republicans are immoral murderers.

What else is new.

[The Backlash Cometh]

17. Christian Mongols? Huns? Nazi's?

[Mr_Spock]

148. Yes

:|

[TallahasseeGrannie]

11. Oh my I hate it when

I misjudge somebody to that extent.

Sounds like "towelhead derangement syndrome."

Anytime I hear "towelhead" I know what to expect.

[The Backlash Cometh]

19. The scary part is that these people are not rednecks.

They're from New Jersey.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

26. That is very scary

indeed.

I often wonder what my father, a lifelong Republican, would have said and done about all this. He was a moderate man, very sensible. Even even LOOKED like Ward Cleaver. He got Alzheimer's ten years ago and mercifully stopped thinking about politics. He thought about bears and angels a lot. Which has nothing to do with this.

I'm rambling because I am bored because I have a freaking lousy cold.

Well, let me tell you I grew up in NJ and they have their share of idiots, for sure. One time a bunch of RW'ers got ahold of the school board in the seventies and I don't think the district has ever recovered.

[The Backlash Cometh]

29. I hope you feel better.

I told her that I was going to run to my newsgroup and tell them what she said, I was so shocked.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

43. There are rednecks in every part of the world. They just have different

accents and ways of dressing. There are Southern rednecks. There are California, Arizona, New York, and Pacific Northwest rednecks.

It's just a way of (not) thinking and looking at the world.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

47. There are even black rednecks

[donheld]

48. Sadly, rednecks can be found in ALL 50 states

We need to learn that fact. What makes anybody thinks their state is immune?

[serryjw]

69. I honestly don't know why you are surprised

Before the 2004 election while working for the election I heard this all the time. Kick ass and take numbers. THEY all think this is a John Wayne movie.

[The Backlash Cometh]

74. I guess I expected this of others, but not her.

[serryjw]

Some just APPEAR 'saner' than ours

(Think of McCain). They simple THINK differently than we do. Between the radio/TV talk shows and the preaching in the church they are so brainwashed, they can not be reached. We are at a time in the history of this country that is as bad as pre-civil war. This can't be fixed.35% of this country will always disagree with us.

[Ladyhawk]

102. It's happened to me.

I thought I had found a good fundy, once. After the backstabbing I got, I know better. :scared: It sure as hell hurt, though.

The problem is that most of these people are not entirely evil. There is no black and white. On one hand my mother wants to put the "towelheads" in concentration camps and turn America into a theocracy; on the other she helps me with tasks I have trouble doing for myself and stops to talk with the lonely little old lady downstairs. She comes across as extremely nice. Most fundies do. When you start butting up against their fantasies, however, they can become vicious.

Until (if?) this national crisis is settled, I will not be trusting any fundies or republicans. They may be nice and helpful and giving at times, but when it comes down to it, they will support the fascist agenda. I interact with fundies and republicans all the time. They are the majority in this county and there isn't a Democrat in the entire family (except maybe one cousin, but she's so flighty who the hell knows???). I'm friendly with these people, but you'd better believe I'm watching my back. I know they don't respect me because I'm an atheist and a liberal. It doesn't help that many (most?) of them also know about my mental health issues (depression, PTSD, OCD and possible Asperger's). In fact, many of them are only being "nice" in hopes of winning me back to the fold. I am fully aware of this. I'm ready for the blade this time. When in the presence of fundies, it is best to wear a metaphorical kevlar vest.

[The Backlash Cometh]

106. You know, I think a lot of the mental health issues in this country

can be attributed to the crazy times we live in. I wish the left-wingers had organizations where people could meet on a regular basis. Jazzercise classes for the Dems, mommy and me classes for left-wingers...that sort of thing.

I bet our mental health issues would evaporate overnight.

[Ladyhawk]

112. It could be. I heard somewhere that the suicide rate goes up when

Republicans are in office. I don't have a link or even know if it's true. :shrug: It sounds right, though.

Also...wouldn't you be a little messed up if you were raised by Republican fundies? :crazy:

[The Backlash Cometh]

120. Suicide rates should be public record.

I would think there is a federal webpage that has this information just fingertips away. Of course, Bush people could have removed that kind of information from the web.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

116. Someone who lived in South Africa during apartheid said the same

thing about the Afrikaners. She said that when she first moved there (she's white), they were the kindest, most welcoming neighbors you could imagine. They had lovely, tidy houses and gardens, and their children were well-behaved. But when they started talking about racial issues, it was as if they were transformed into lunatics before her eyes. She said that she could easily imagine them killing a black person who "got out of line." Also, their tidy houses and gardens were maintained entirely by live-in black servants.

[still_one]

13. if they feel that strongly then tell her son to enlist

They drank the koolaide, and it won't get better until it gets a lot worse, and it will

[The Backlash Cometh]

20. He's in his late forties. I don't think they'll take him.

[MaggieSwanson]

42. I bet they would.

:evilgrin:

[kineneb]

45. oh, sure they will take him

he is breathing!? There are National Guard folks over there in their 50s. I'm sure the Services can find something for him to do.

[The Backlash Cometh]

49. I'll suggest it the next time I see him.

[FreedomAngel82]

73. I remember seeing a report

on the "Daily Show" that a fifty year old woman was going to Iraq. Someone had a picture of an old guy I'd say in his sixties over there! I wonder if he's still a live. :(

[Demobrat]

61. A 48 year old neighbor of mine was just recalled.

Tell him to get his ass down there and start supporting the troops, goddamit it.

[Catrina]

91. Sure they will! As long as he's not related

to any of the neocon warmongers, his age doesn't matter. He's just fodder for the war machine.

Last week among the dead, where they list the names and ages of those who died, there was one soldier whose age was listed as 55.

There are also Vietnam Vets over there, some as old as 60 and the oldest I saw was a grandmother who was 70.

In one report I saw, they had to use cardboard soldiers in a firefight because there weren't enough troops to hold off the enemy and they wanted to create the impression there were more.

So get some recruitment papers and give them to your 'killer' friend and let her put her son's body where her mouth is.

Btw, the Nazis thought that 'killing them all', the final solution, would be easy also. You might want to point that out to her.

As far as being surprised by this lust for violence against a whole population of people from the right, I am no longer surprised.

[Dr.Phool]

15. They are killing them all-slowly

Our troops too.

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/6078

Why isn't depleted uranium considered a nuclear weapon?

[The Backlash Cometh]

22. How did we lose the war of perception on this one?

Oh, right. Bush had 10 million dollars to buy the press.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

51. Individual citizens don't get a "pass" just because Bushco manipulated

the media. They (like this woman) bear full responsibility for their immoral beliefs and actions.

[The Backlash Cometh]

53. Who is telling them it's immoral?

The churches are out there astroturfing the War on Christmas. Overturning the idea of killing 26 million people in a muslim country is probably not something they want to touch right now.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

56. Their own sense of morality, as a human being, should "tell" them it's

immoral to wish genocide upon a people.

They shouldn't need a priest, publisher, or president to "tell" them this.

[The Backlash Cometh]

I think when you have people who resort to collective thinking,

there isn't much you can do until a leader presents himself.

But I can tell you this, once we do get a Democratic president in office, the first thing we need to do is remove all the Republicans in the military that supported the neo-con plan. Because I wouldn't be surprised if we get another LIHOP after the election just so Republicans can have the pleasure of saying I told you so.

[FreedomAngel82]

79. Isn't it an illegal weapon??

I thought it was illegal to use?

[SidDithers]

145. More of a chemical weapon than a nuclear one...

It's the chemical toxicity associated with heavy metals like uranium and lead that is causing health problems. DU's radiation is pretty insignificant.

But your point is just as valid, regardless of how the stuff works.

Sid

[politicaholic]

18. Perhaps they just wanted to get a reaction out of you...

Republicans do that sometimes. They call it "a sense of humor". Of course, real comedy is pretty much liberal exclusive...that is if you find Dennis Miller remotely funny.

Of course they could just be reacting to something they heard on the radio. The FCC wanted to ban Howard Stern for interviewing strippers, but Bill O'Reilly calls on terrorists to attack San Francisco and everything is copacetic. Republicans are hopeless reactionaries and horrible visionaries. Why do you think movie remakes of horrible 70s shows are so popular? Because 35% of the American population could care less if every non-american on the planet died.

[The Backlash Cometh]

24. I know her very well. She was serious.

I think her and her son are upset, like someone pointed out, because they know Bush is going down. They are in the final stages of denial.

[DS1]

21. These are the same people who want to 'stay the course'

[The Backlash Cometh]

34. What are they thinking?

Someone strong has to step in and give them perspective.

[sui generis]

25. well I have a theory

about the neanderthals. I don't think they died out - I suspect they interbred with us a few dozen thousand years ago and now they mostly look like us, but they sure don't sound like us.

I swear - but then Condi herself said that a U.S. nuclear "pre-emptive" assault and "utterly destroying" a city was on the table on the run up to this stupid war.

Let's see, so cave-Republicans think that Saddam was evil and so invading Iraq was justified
Saddam was evil because he killed a bunch of people
But we're the good guys, so if we kill an entire nation (many cultures, multi-genocide) we're the good guys because we got rid of Saddam and "it's worth it".

wow.

Enjoy your radioactive oil toots. P.S. those soldiers slaughtering all the men women and children would be our brothers and sisters and children. That would be quite an uncomfortable family reunion.

[The Backlash Cometh]

36. Why do they believe this way? I just don't understand how they can

assume we're invincible after Vietnam. Don't they remember?

[FreedomAngel82]

81. It'll never make sense to me either

And than they claim to be bringing democracy to Iraq but they're taking it away here by stealing people's votes and telling others to shut up.

[MikeH]

28. Very sorry to hear that

I am very sorry to hear that about somebody you thought wasn't that bad.

Earlier this year I ended a 30 year friendship with someone who voted for * a second time, felt the Iraq war was the right thing to do, and, if I remember correctly, didn't seem to be bothered about torture (I don't remember exactly why).

One thing he said that really bothered me was that it was OK that we didn't find the weapons of mass destruction because intelligence is not an exact science. To me that sounded like an excuse for somebody who is "his type" of president. My friend is a fundamentalist Christian, but I had not previously thought of him as fitting the worst stereotypes of people of that persuasion.

[The Backlash Cometh]

38. I'm hoping we'll get past this.

I brought the Nazi angle in all this and I asked her if she supported Hitler. She said, welll, in some things and then she reminded me she had German blood.

But she's got a wacky sense of humor. I'll probably call her Eva Braun the next time I see her and we won't miss a step in our friendship. They're about the only ones that I will make this exception for.

[MikeH]

57. Best wishes to you

My friend and I mutually agreed to end our friendship after I let him know my feelings. We parted company on amicable terms, after we both agreed we were not able to maintain our friendship. My friend, for his part, felt that he could not maintain a friendship on a "probationary" basis, in which he felt his friendship was subject to reevaluation based on his politics or religion, or if we couldn't talk about certain things. For my part, I feel (like a lot of other people here) that * is really that bad, and it bothered me a lot that my friend seemed to have no serious second thoughts about voting for * a second time.

We can both have fond memories of our past friendship.

Perhaps some time in the future we might be able to renew our friendship.

[The Backlash Cometh]

68. I am dropping friends and relatives like pounds on a chronic bulimic.

What frightens me is that there are no open modern Democrats in my area that I can "accidentally" meet up to make up for the relationships I've kissed off.

[rox63]

95. Have you thought about

Getting involved in your local Democratic Party organizations? Is there a town Democratic Committee? A Dem politician running for office who could use volunteers? These might be ways to meet other like-minded people.

[The Backlash Cometh]

97. What scares me about our organized Dem groups is that they're

old guard. If they heard anything too outlandish, they'd go running to their Repub buddies in the chamber to tell.

[sandyd921]

103. Is there a

Democracy for America meetup in your area? You're likely to meet some good intelligent progressive types there.

[The Backlash Cometh]

121. I'll look it up. Thanks.

[The Backlash Cometh]

39. self-deleted

[troubleinwinter]

30. I see.

We went into Iraq because Saddam murdered his own people, and we should complete his work of murdering down to the last man, woman and child for "freedom and democracy". "Freedom and democracy" will be wonderful for them when every one of them is too dead to enjoy it.

Mass genocide is what she believes America stands for? Lemme guess.... is she a self-proclaimed Christian?

[The Backlash Cometh]

40. She's definitely not a Christian churchgoer. She would probably

think they're wacko.

[dailykoff]

31. Too much toxic talk radio is my guess. n/t

[The Backlash Cometh]

41. Stupid is as stupid does.

We have to enforce the Fairness Doctrine, or we are lost.

[stop the bleeding]

32. Uhh - Bush told me that he thinks she and her son are "terrist" because

of the information the WH received through the wiretaps that they put on rethug friend's house


Give Mommy a Kiss....."

Give me a freaking break people !!!!

[jokerman93]

33. It's almost as if

It's almost as if they have this huge "nudge-nudge wink-wink" thing going on. Bush calls it bringing them democracy, but they all know what it's really about... Which begs the question: what do they think it's really all about? Dominion? Slaughter of the sub-human non-Christian rag-heads? Raw imperial power?

:wtf:

Who the f' knows anymore? This country is in a malignant trance.

As Bob Dylan said, "It's not dark yet, but it's gettin' there."

[The Backlash Cometh]

44. We need to bring this down to their level.

We need to find something as campy as a blow-job for them to understand the seriousness of this issue. GOD, I hope the Daily News can find the twist here. That Bush's people think it's okay to kill 26 million people, but a blow job is really bad.

[sandnsea]

60. *sigh* cheap gas my dear n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

37. Who are these people? Seriously? They only want to protect

unborn fetus and even then they'll do whatever they can, to starve the born children, if they aren't up to their "standards". Everyone else, including their fellow Americans, they want to kill. It must be a horrible way to live, being afraid of your own shadow and being hateful all the time. So no WMD were found and apparently this person? doesn't care about "liberating" the Iraqi people, in fact she wants to kill them all. So how does she justify what her President has done? Oh never mind, we're beyond logic with her.

[peacebird]

59. my former boss & co-workers thought the invasion was worth doing even

if no WMD were found. To end Saddams reign. When I pointed out that Saddam was the US's puppet until Kuwait and that the slaughter of Iraqi's happenned after papa Bush encouraged them to take him on (and then turned his back as they were slaughtered) they kept repeating - it was worth it to take out Saddam.

They are all "good xtians" - their opinions nauseated me.

Would love to have heard the chatter at the annual holiday dinner this year. But not enough to still work with them.

My ex-boss (high in his church lay leadership) actually told me the Iraqi's are subhuman because they are not christian.
Good christian that he is - he believes that anyone who does not think like him, and worship HIS diety - will rot in hell.

:puke:

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

63. They thought it was worth doing by OTHER PEOPLE'S SONS no doubt.

[SammyWinstonJack]

64. So these "good xtians" are okay with killing all Iraqis; men, women and

children just so long as Saddam is out of power? Their "logic' eludes me. They justify GW's illegal and immoral war based on lies in order to "liberate" the Iraqi people, yet they want all Iraqis killed? :banghead: And since when do these Americans, who couldn't care less about the most unfortunate among them, ie New Orleans victims, care about Iraqis or any Middle Eastern peoples for that matter? Do they think we thinking Americans buy into their bushit? Like I said, there is no logic in their madness and we can't begin to even try to understand them. As to their good "christian morals" LOL! Makes me glad I am an Atheist.

[The Backlash Cometh]

76. You know, you're right. They turned their backs on the poor and

misfortunate in America, why would we be surprised to find that they have completely dehumanized everyone else?

[SammyWinstonJack]

92. Exactly! They are hypocrites who refuse too see their hypocrisy.

They are equal opportunity haters, in that they hate every one who isn't them, yet they claim to "love" everyone in the name of 'christianity', everyone that they don't want to kill that is. :eyes: :crazy:

[Lydia Leftcoast]

118. Not that it makes any difference, but there actually is a noticeable

Christian minority in Iraq. They were not bothered under Saddam Hussein unless they were political dissidents, but now with the Shiites taking over they're in big trouble for things like selling liquor and women going around without the hijab.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

46. I think the best thing, when people "remove the mask" and show what they

REALLY believe (i.e. it's OK to commit genocide on an innocent population who dares defy our imperial power, as long as we "win"), confront them directly with the hypocrisy.

"But I thought the noble cause of the war was to bring democracy to/liberate from Saddam/give their women the right to vote etc... How does that square with killing everyone in the country, or that part of the world"?

[The Backlash Cometh]

52. I'll remember that. I think we're still invited to their New Year's

Party. I found out that Iraq has a population of 26 million, so I'm wondering how she thinks we can kill that many even with nuclear bombs?

[sandnsea]

58. Yep, the masks come off

And we find out just how it all happened; the Trail of Tears, slavery, Jim Crow, The Triangle Fire, Tuskegee, Kent State, Vietnam, radiation fallout, and now Iraq and New Orleans. Same as ever, a phony front of Christian goodness hides a selfish American soul of opportunism, callousness and greed.

[Nimrod2005]

50. For me, I just stay away from all of these kind of discussions

I don't want to go crazy....


:beer:

[The Backlash Cometh]

55. I don't think I would mind it, if I had someone that I could talk politics

with. But, I only really have one friend that shares my views and she's a tired widow raising two children on one income.

[LittleClarkie]

62. Fine. Give her a gun, and send her over there.

If she thinks that's what's to be done, then what's she waiting for? Have at it!

Now if she or her son had to be the ones to go over there and impliment what she's saying should be done, how fast would she do a 180? Because guess what? They'll be shooting back.

And she'd better beware the karmic boomerang. Genocide begets genocide. Or does she think the Kurds and Shiites and Sunnis will just stand there? Something tells me if we started the wholesale slaughter of everyone in Iraq, the Arab world would be a force to be reckoned with. We'd be Nazi Germany, and they'd be trying to stop us.

She does realize that her hunnybun in the White House considers this a war of liberation for a good many of the people she wants dead, doesn't she? If all we were going to do is kill them, well shit, we could have left Hussein to do that. What would have been the difference.

Just as Teddy Kennedy said, same business under different management.

:rant:

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82. I don't think she gets it at all.

[FreedomAngel82]

65. You haven't met my grandma than

She used to support Bush but last year before Thanksgiving she confessed she doesn't believe him anymore. This past weekend I got into a debate with my aunt and dad about the death penalty and my aunt said "you're daughters a liberal!" (to my dad) but she said there was nothing wrong with being a liberal (damn straight). So not all of them are that way. Please, don't lump them all together. Same thing with us Christian's. I don't like how they call us bad things. I'm sorry that person said those horrible things. It's really heartless. Even kill children? My God.

[The Backlash Cometh]

83. Maybe if they can hear themselves? Maybe it will wake them up?

[Jade Fox]

71. If this helps......

What you are seeing here is desperation. Her rationalizations are crumbling around her, and she's like a drowning woman grabbing at anything to justify supporting Bush, no matter how idiotic.

[The Backlash Cometh]

85. You're the second person on this thread who pointed this out.

I think you're right. I just tend to get combative when people say outrageous things. I really need to be put in a back room with computers doing data analysis and just kept away from the customers.

[Jade Fox]

93. Check out this post on....

James Wolcott entitled "Headhunters" (scroll down just a bit). I read this the other night, and your original post reminded me of it.

http://www.jameswolcott.com/

It's no accident that it is the rightwing bloggers and pundits who have been avid about defending the use of torture against suspected terrorists. Nor is it an accident that many of them pooh-poohed Abu Ghraib, sluffing it off as no more harmless than fraternity hazing. But what their decapitation odes reveal is that what they'd really like to do is permit torture closer to home. Domesticate it. Trivialize it. Completely destigmatize it as a tool of the state.

I don't worry about this being actually implemented, though I worry fractionally more every day. I'm interested in it more as a pathological rash afflicting the more rabid warbloggers. It's a sign of impotence, this lurid fury of theirs. It bugs the hell out of them that those of us who opposed the war have turned out to be right. It thwarts the hell out of them that Ward Churchill still has tenure, that they couldn't convict Sami Al-Arian down in Florida, and that their latest purple-finger festival fizzled out so soon. If postwar Iraq swirls down the drain, they'll be looking for someone to blame, and since they never blame themselves for anything (a bedrock neoconservative trait), they leaves nobody here but us chickens. I dread to think of the imaginary punishments they'll devise for us appeasers, turncoats, and traitors; I'm sure they'll be quite vivid. I may have to quarantine myself from these sites to preserve my serene disposition.



(*as another LGF poster put it: "Funny thing, the liberal mindset: expend all energy on phantom 'enemys', meanwhile the real enemy pounds at the fucking gate, ready to chop off their heads." Note: "their," not "our." LGF'ers have a touching faith in the undetachablility of their own heads under the grisly Islamofascism they spend so many

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96. Hmmm..striking out because of their impotence.

This paragraph caught my eye too:

Civilized people were appalled, disgusted, and sobered by the vicious execution of Daniel Pearl, and the beheadings that followed. But many of the warbloggers are not civilized people. It is clear that despite their sincere protestations of horror, rage, and pity, the execution of Daniel Pearl aroused them on some primitive, subconscious level. They got off on it. It functioned as death porn to their seething, frustrated psyches. (Frustrated, because the war in Iraq simply hasn't gone the way they thought it would or should. They have been denied the glorious clearcut victory they craved.) The beheading ritual tapped into their sadistic impulses, and excited their own fantasies of torturing their foes. When rightwing bloggers and posters conjure that under Islam, Democrats--which they've come to call dhimmicrats--will get what's coming to them (i.e., the business end of a butcher's blade),

[Junkdrawer]

77. A testament to the dehumanizing of Muslims by the RW press...

Dehumanization prior to genocide seems to be a common theme for fascists, huh? :shrug:

[The Backlash Cometh]

86. Muslims in this country need to start some kind of PR campaign

to change the image created by the likes of conservative news shows like FoxNews.

[rooboy]

78. DRAFT. n/t

[noahmijo]

84. They never change nor ever will

If today they continue to support Bush REGARDLESS of the reason, they are not sane and you shouldn't even bother wasting your time because to those type of people reality is lost reality does not exist, all that matters is that Jesus personally choose Bush-he told him so in Aramaic, and that you must submit to Jesus, and what's more the faggots gotta be stopped from moving into an apartment together.

That's it that is today's Republican mindset. Period.

[gandalfdf]

88. What a bitch

[PatriotGames]

107. LOL. Welcome to DU!

[earth mom]

89. Rethugs remind me of sociopaths...

they care for NO one but themselves and their own selfish interests.

Sorry you had such a rude awakening. I've gone through the same thing myself this year and have found that cutting off contact is the best thing since it's simply impossible to get through to them. :banghead:

[tlsmith1963]

94. That's Pretty Typical

I've heard lots of Republicans who talk that way. I think they've been watching too many violent movies or something. Everything is "kill, kill, kill" with these people.

Tammy

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99. Who knew? The conservatives were right that violence in television

breeds violence in real life.

[symbolman]

98. Uh, you might want to remind her that Muslims

outnumber a LOT of humanity.. something like 3 billion of them.. if they all decided to Slit the throat of 4 people each then this would become Muslim PLANET..

I really don't like having 3 billion people scattered world wide wanting to cut off my or my son's or wife's HEAD over Bush's MURDERING MACHINE..

Remember, he gets to hide behind 16 inch thick Glass the rest of his life, surrounded by men in black with machine guns, WE DON'T..

Altho to be honest I really don't give him all that long to be around, honestly, he's really pissed off a LOT of dangerous people - I'd be willing to think that it's possible that Bush will be wiped out some time in our lives by some concerted group of Muslims or Middle Easterners, then they'll give him that BIG PRESIDENTIAL Funeral with the right wing media yukking it up, while 90% of the country VOMITS..

[The Backlash Cometh]

100. 3 billion, huh?

And only 300 million Americans, 200 million who would probably resist a program of genocide.

[rox63]

101. I've decided I'm not going to take it anymore from the people close to me

Most of the people I'm close to are sane, even some who are conservatives. But I've had one long-time friend who has totally gone around the bend as a looney far-right xtian. She and I have been friends for 25 years. When started down the looney path a few years back, and started telling me how I was going to hell, I told her what I thought about that. A bit of distance started growing between us at that time. Eventually, we decided that the friendship could continue, as long as we avoided the subjects of religion and politics. We kind of stumbled along with this for a few years. But in the meantime, politics has become a lot more important to me. It's a bit difficult for it to never come up as a subject of discussion with a good friend.

She thinks I'm going to hell because I'm a liberal, because I haven't 'accepted Jesus as my savior', and because I'm bi. She said she'd keep praying for me. What this really means is that she thinks there's something wrong with me the way I am. It kind of feels like what I imagine it would feel like to an black person whose white friend tells her that her membership in the KKK won't affect their friendship at all. The fact is, she belongs to an organization that thinks the world would be a better place without me. This person actually thought during the 2004 election that * wasn't conservative enough, so she wrote in James Dobson for president on her ballot. WTF sort of insanity is that?

Recently, I decided I didn't have to take this any more. I haven't spoken to her in a couple of months. I haven't returned her calls or emails. She doesn't live nearby any more, so it's not like I'm going to run into her at the mall or something. We haven't directly discussed why I'm doing this. If I can avoid that particular emotional upheaval, I will. I'm sure she knows why. We've discussed it plenty of times in the past. I just can't, won't do this to myself anymore. I'm done with toxic friendships like that. I'm sorry that the 20 or so years that we were actually close are gone and over with. The last 5 have been difficult since her conversion. And I just don't want to waste my energy any more on a relationship that has turned destructive. I'm done, I'm free, and I will decide for myself what friendshops work best for me.

[lildreamer316]

119. That is very healthy.

I know it is hard; I went through a transition where I lost many friends a few years ago. You have grown and progressed; she has chosen a destructive and delusional path. Feel sorry that a spirit you once cared for has decided not to learn their lesson constructively or is choosing such a hard way to learn it....and move on. Sounds like you have a good attitude....

[The Backlash Cometh]

123. You are where I was five years ago, when I lost touch with my first friend

I've been fine-tuning the "patahs*" since then.

(* slang for patadas. Means specifically "kicks" but figuratively, kiss good-byes.)

[MikeH]

147. One issue with my friend

She thinks I'm going to hell because I'm a liberal, because I haven't 'accepted Jesus as my savior', and because I'm bi. She said she'd keep praying for me. What this really means is that she thinks there's something wrong with me the way I am. It kind of feels like what I imagine it would feel like to an black person whose white friend tells her that her membership in the KKK won't affect their friendship at all. The fact is, she belongs to an organization that thinks the world would be a better place without me. This person actually thought during the 2004 election that * wasn't conservative enough, so she wrote in James Dobson for president on her ballot. WTF sort of insanity is that?

One issue with my friend whom I mentioned up-thread was that even though I never thought of him personally as being bigoted, intolerant, or "in your face", I was very bothered that he supported the candidate who was supported by those in the religious right who are these things, and who wanted him to win.

For a long time my friend and I were able to accept each other's religious and political differences, but I found it more than I could accept that he supported * a second time, and apparently didn't have any serious second thoughts about doing so.

[PatriotGames]

104. Tell her to f off and die.

[Brewman_Jax]

105. Sorry to hear

I know the feeling. Most appear to be deluded, ignorant, and differing levels of insane. :shrug:

[stepnw1f]

109. I Too Believe Many Are Mentally Challenged

That or just bad blood.

[WillyT]

115. Need A Support Group ??? - I'm Afraid We're About To Get A Civil War !!!

:evilfrown:

[The Backlash Cometh]

124. Well, a bunker full of friendlies, then.

[LittleClarkie]

122. Show her pictures like this:

And see if she still has a heart of stone

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5705970&mesg_id=5705970

Warning, graphic.

[rucky]

130. I betcha every single person who supports the war is ok with genocide.

It just took a trusted friend to come out and admit it.

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133. How can they not visualize that they're entering into a Holy War?

She's not even that religious.

[rucky]

141. Brown people out to kill us.

no futher analysis needed.

[insane_cratic_gal]

131. Bat shit crazy.. I once had a friend like that

We got along and agreed more often then not about many things, but Bush happened.

Her daddy was a republican, and so was her mommy..and her husband. She still supports him, thought we don't even speak anymore.

I can't have a relationship with someone who refuses to see the very truth before their eyes, who clings to the lie!


Your best to either not speak of politics or just go your separate ways. I wish there was another way, but once they are this far gone there isn't anything short of W shitting on their Kitchen table that is going to change how they feel about him.

[Binka]

139. Yes Indeed I Too Had Such A "Friend"

After the last stolen election I divorced her. I wrote her a detailed explanation of why I could no longer be her friend or even be in the same room with her ever again. It was poignant and beautiful and a fucking delicious rant the upshot of it can be summarized in a few words. "Bush is an asshole and YOU are carrying his stink for him. Fuck you."

Princess Peyton Asks " Why Is That Bush Asshole On The TV Again Mommy?"

[The Backlash Cometh]

144. Hi Binka!

Give your beautiful princess a hug for me. Hope all is going well with your son.

[Raksha]

134. There's only one word for these people: Nazis!

How on earth did this happen in our country?

[The Backlash Cometh]

136. We can thank FoxNews.

[KyuzoGator]

135. Sounds like my "glass parking lot" former friend.

Yeah, he thought that nuking Iraq pre-emptively would have pretty much solved everything.

These people are real and they exist in our neighborhoods. One of them is in the White House right now.

[The Backlash Cometh]

137. Yes, but what about Syria and Iran?

How many muslims are going to sit idle and watch us trample all over the area at our own pace? Won't they get the feeling that they might be next, so it's better to unit against us, than to wait their turn?

[KyuzoGator]

143. Yeah, strange how that kinda parallels Europe in 1940.

Wait, that would make us the Nazis.

[Kickin_Donkey]

140. There's a bizarre, socially sanctioned (by some), mass hysterical ...

insanity going on in this country. It's like a virus that seizes people.

[bush_is_wacko]

146. I've heard them say this before too. I always have to wonder if they

REALLY mean it.

I've responded in much the same manner. It has had no effect.

My father can still tolerate being around these people. I just try to avoid them at every turn. I noticed he didn't invite the worst offender to Thanksgiving and Christmas this year. I'm hoping the trend continues for New Years and beyond.

On Edit: I forgot to add one of these incident happened to occur at a restaurant owned and operated by a former Iraqi Kurd. The particular idiot purported to be the Iraqi's "friend."

[Geek_Girl]

149. Sounds like they support Genocide

Republicans = Nazis

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150. She didn't deny it.

I used the word genocide, I used the word Hitler and she didn't blink.

[Rocknrule]

Holy shit, they really ARE Nazis

[Rocknrule]

151. Holy shit, they really ARE Nazis

[Rocknrule]

153. This is why I consistantly liken Republicans to the Columbine gunmen

They want to kill everyone who isn't exactly like them

"All you Muslims and fags and liberals and atheists better hide in your homes because I'm coming for EVERYONE now and I will be armed to the f**king TEETH and I WILL F**KING KILL EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Can't you just see this lady saying that?