Christian bush lovers feel duped. Tough shit morons!

[Philosoraptor]

Only now they are waking up to the fact that they've been royally bamboozled for a quarter century? All of a sudden its sinking into their easily manipulated skulls, the republicans don't give a flyin' fuck about us born agains, and we've been VOTING THEM IN all this time.

Where is our amendment to the constitution banning gay marriage, gays, flag burning, evolution in our schools, depravity on our t.v.'s, Muslims, free thought, non believers, and everything else? Why aren't homosexuals being rounded up and sent to gitmo?

Why isn't the pledge of allegiance required five times a day? Why aren't we kicking off Armageddon and nuking the heathens? Why hasn't the rapture begun?

These dumb asses endanger us all with their alarming gullibility, and it is THEY we can blame for our current situation. They were duped by familiar words and biblical references, they were brainwashed like all cult members are. They alone gave us reagan, bush one and bush the second, they and their ridiculous blind faith.

If you are just now feeling duped its because you got shit for brains, and I don't feel sorry for you, you did it all yourself, not me, it's your born again world, I just live in it.

EVIDENCE HERE: THANKS KPETE

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/10/11/olbermann-exclusive-dissecting-new-book-tempting-faith

[Hav]

1. .

They would probably come out in masses again to vote for the repubs because the Dems are godless baby-killers.

[wholetruth00]

46. The masses have been duped by both their leaders and the GOP

I hope they soon wake up to the fact. The Christian right leaders have made billions on the stooping backs of some honest and sincere people. The leaders like Falwell, Robertson, Dobson and others knew they could collect huge sums from the Feds if they brougt along their flocks to vote GOP using the issues of abortion and homosexuality. And like good little sheep, the masses followed the shepherd. The leaders collected from both the masses and the GOP and the money is well hidden behind a slew of "non-profit" "evangelical social" and fake econoic organizations that enjoy tax breaks and avoidence of civil rights laws. Who couldn't see this coming?

[rfranklin]

2. Are they waking up?

I saw something that Tucker Carlson said on a show, but I haven't seen anything about a mass awakening of the fundies. I think this is wishful thinking.

[Philosoraptor]

5. read all about it or watch it here;

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/10/11/olbermann-exclusive-dissecting-new-book-tempting-faith

[Freedom_from_Chains]

10. No matter what they will never fully wake up but,

it looks like a new book has come up that's going to knock them up side the head some.

[Clark2008]

14. They'll just swiftboat - or crucify, in their case - the author

The majority of them would die before they would admit they were wrong.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

23. You never can tell, burning at the stake might come back into vogue.

[donheld]

32. In that case they really are swiftboat - or crucifying themselves

It will hurt the author if they swiftboat him. In the long run, however, it will hurt them more. Bush will just continue to use them and they will wind up even bigger losers.

[ClintonTyree]

21. If the still believe The Big Lie.........

then it's a given that they'll still believe in the smaller lies that perpetuate and facilitate The Big Lie. There's no reaching them. Once they've surrendered to blind faith it takes a cataclysmic event to reverse their surrender. Little things like DeLay, Foley, Abrhamoff, Iraq, Plame etc. are not considered by them to be big enough events to chance their belief system so it's, "STAY THE COURSE" as far as they're concerned.
What exactly would be enough to make them change is beyond my realm of conjecture. Once they've accepted JC as their personal savior all reason flies out the door. They surrender all critical thought and just b-e-l-i-e-v-e! It makes their lives infinitely easier, that's for sure.

[LaurenG]

3. They have been betrayed

I doubt that will have any effect on their voting habits though because the are so focused on the abortion and gay marriage issues.

It is just one more sign of the severity of their denial.

[focusfan]

61. Why is that so important to them

I don`t understand why being gay or getting an abortion,birth control or having consentual sex bothers them so much.That stuff don`t bother me at all,but people dying in useless wars,families doing without food because energy prices are out of control insurance companies charging what ever they want and no one does anything about it that bothers me.

[Xipe Totec]

4. They're having a stupiphany

A sudden realization of a truth that was obvious to everyone else a long time ago.

It is a long painful process involving much head banging to crack open one's skull, in hopes of opening one's mind.

[Kookaburra]

41. Stupiphany (snarf)

Good one, Xipe. May I use it?

[Xipe Totec]

43. Please do!

and thanks!

[PurpleChez]

6. was this in response to Tucker Carlson

or has someone else come to the much-too-late realization? I bet many of these folks will never wake up and smell the coffee, but those that do...damn, they're gonna be pissed.

[Philosoraptor]

9. Kieth Olberman did a report on it, see it here;

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/10/11/olbermann-exclusive-dissecting-new-book-tempting-faith

[NMMNG]

7. Wait, let me get out my violin

:nopity:


What gets me most is all of their talk about "freedom" and the like while they fight tooth and nail to have all of our freedoms taken away.

Jerks.

[proud2BlibKansan]

36. Like freedom to live without diseases

I think every one of these idiots who are voting against stem cell research in MO should be refused treatment for their diseases when the amendment passes.

The scary thing in MO is that we are hearing that the talibornagains are so disillusioned that they are staying home and not voting in many states. But in MO, the stem cell initiative will draw them to the polls. I swear that is the only reason the senate race between (no)Talent and McCaskill is so close.

[NMMNG]

77. It's tempting

But maybe instead of not getting treatment they should be made to sign a statement declaring "I was against this research and I was dead wrong". Then next time a big issue like that comes up those statements can be used as ammo against idiots like them to help bolster our efforts.

[mtnester]

66. Here is the one Blivet is playing...

[NMMNG]

78. Is that the one he plays to show his great concern for

the soldiers and Iraqis who have died (and continue to die) in his immoral war, those who died in Katrina, the people who slave away for pennies while his uber-rich friends get more tax cuts, etc, etc?

[wake.up.america]

8. Being conned by the Neo-Cons is not their only problem...

being bamboozled by smooth talking "preachers" who rip them off while promising them a rich, material life with Christ is another.

[sendero]

22. Exactly...

.... note to the morons: when Jesus spoke of "abundant life" he wasn't talking about getting a BMW. Read the whole thing for god's sake.

[WCGreen]

29. HEre Here.....

[tavalon]

30. Ah yes, the Supply Side Jesus concept

They haven't been very good about reading their bibles, have they?

[malaise]

11. Wait 'til they wake up and realize that

Robertson, Falwell and the rest of them are no different than Bushco. They've been duped big time but it's their own fault since they wallow in their ignorance. Until they declare a war against ignorance, more snake charmers will brainwash and rob them.

[hippiechick]

12. Good, let's hope they form their own party ...

then the GOP may never get a 'majority' again. :evilgrin:

[Disturbed]

13. You forgot to add Prayer in Public Schools and

the Ten Commandments in front of every Court House in Amerka.

[liberal N proud]

15. So are they going to change their ways?

Are they going to see the light?
Are they going to accept Jesus Christ was a liberal?
Are they going to cast off their evil ways and denounce torture?

When I sse many of them publicly denounced the bu$h regime and the republican part for what they are and start supporting candidates who have morals and care for other human beings, I will believe it.
These people will continue to vote Republican because the Republicans will continue to tell them they are against gays and abortion, the rest goes right under the Christian bu$h lover's radar.

[magellan]

20. I'd be happy if they'd just start practicing what they preach

...and stop thinking money and politics is the path to God. As long as they believe someone or something outside themselves can get them into heaven, some flim flam artist will be waiting to rob them...and I'm REAL tired of paying for their stupidity at this point.

[Captain Hilts]

16. Morans! nt

[Ian David]

17. Countdown Exclusive: "Tempting Faith"-Book says Bush just using Christians

Exclusive: Book says Bush just using Christians
‘Tempting Faith’ author David Kuo worked for Bush from 2001 to 2003

By Jonathan Larsen
"Countdown" producer
MSNBC
Updated: 8:57 p.m. ET Oct. 11, 2006

More than five years after President Bush created the Office of Faith-Based Initiatives, the former second-in-command of that office is going public with an insider’s tell-all account that portrays an office used almost exclusively to win political points with both evangelical Christians and traditionally Democratic minorities.

The office’s primary mission, providing financial support to charities that serve the poor, never got the presidential support it needed to succeed, according to the book.

Entitled “Tempting Faith,” the book is not scheduled for release until Oct. 16, but MSNBC’s “Countdown with Keith Olbermann” has obtained a copy.

“Tempting Faith’s” author is David Kuo, who served as special assistant to the president from 2001 to 2003. A self-described conservative Christian, Kuo’s previous experience includes work for prominent conservatives including former Education Secretary and federal drug czar Bill Bennett and former Attorney General John Ashcroft.

More:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15228489/


Tempting Faith: An Inside Story of Political Seduction
by David Kuo



Available October 25th. Pre-order from:

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Synopses & Reviews
Publisher Comments:
David Kuo came to Washington wanting to use his Christian faith to end abortion, strengthen marriage, and help the poor. He reached the heights of political power, ultimately serving in the White House under George W. Bush, after being policy adviser to John Ashcroft and speechwriter for Ralph Reed, Pat Robertson, and Bob Dole. It was a dream come true: the chance to fuse his politics and his faith, and an opportunity for Christians not just to gain a seat at the proverbial table but to plan the entire meal.

Kuo spent nearly three years as second in command at the president's Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives. Yet his experience was deeply troubling. It took both the Bush White House and a severe health crisis to show him how his Christian values, and those of millions of Amer- icans, were being corrupted by politics.

Instead of following the teachings of Jesus to serve the needy, Kuo found himself helping to manipulate religious faith for political gain. Public funds were used in battleground states, for Republican campaign events. The legislative process was used as a football, not to pass laws but to deepen purely symbolic fault lines. Grants were incestuously recycled to political cronies. Both before and after 9/11, despite lofty rhetoric from the president claiming that his faith-based program was one of his most important initiatives, there was no serious attempt to fund valuable charities.

Worst of all was the prevailing attitude in the White House and throughout Washington toward Christian leaders. Key Bush aides and Republican operatives spoke of them with contempt and treated them as useful idiots. It became clear, during regular conference calls arrangedfrom the White House with a key group of Christian leaders, that many of these religious leaders had themselves been utterly seduced by politics.

It is time, Kuo argues, for Christians to take a temporary step back from politics, to turn away from its seductions. Tempting Faith is equal parts headline-making expose, political and spiritual memoir, and heartfelt plea for a Christian reexamination of political involvement.
Synopsis:
A veteran of the Religious Right and former special assistant to President George Bush tells all, and reveals how the Bush administration has manipulated people of faith.


Product Details

ISBN:
0743287126
Subtitle:
An Inside Account of the Rise of Christian Conservatives, and Their Betrayal by the Bush White House
Author:
Kuo, David
Author:
Kuo, David
Author:
Kuo, J. David
Publisher:
Free Press
Subject:
Religion, Politics & State
Subject:
Government - Executive Branch
Subject:
Government - National
Subject:
Presidents
Subject:
Church and state
Subject:
Christianity - Christian Life - Political Issues
Publication Date:
October 2006
Binding:
Hardcover
Language:
English
Pages:
288

[acmejack]

28. This guy did all this stuff, knowing it was wrong.

But now he finds his morality in time to profit from it? A lot of that going on, it seems.

[KharmaTrain]

18. I Smell Third Party

I don't want to get too far ahead here...Nov. 7th comes first. No matter what I expect to see some big fights up ahead for the Repugnicans. The big tent has ripped to shreads and the various factions are sniping at each other for the failures of the last 6 years. Be it the defecit, illegal immigration, abortion or any of their "major" issues, there's someone on their side who is pissed how this regime has sold out their principals...and blaming the others for why their pet issues still remain unresolved. Of course, most don't realize that there was no interest in the Repugnicans to solve problems...if they dare do that they lose a wedge issue and votes...sooner or later this burning of the candle on both ends would come back to bite and it looks like that day is about to arrive.

Maybe these people are waking up, but I doubt it...that requires a strength of character that most never had and the ability to think for oneself that has been constantly discouraged by the church and the Repugnican party. While many may express dismay, when they're told what to do, they do. My hopes is enough just stay home in November and look at their options afterwards.

Looking at the GOOP choices for 2008, the fundies best hope, at this point, is McCain, that many don't trust...beyond that who is there? The supply-siders sure won't tolerate another ideologue and the neo-cons won't tolerate the others. I's the neo-cons like Tucker who are already floating the meme that the failures of the Repugnicans is because of the fundies.

Stay tuned...especially if the Repugnicans lose the House and/or Senate...these next two years could be highly entertaining.

[davekriss]

55. What a wonderful idea!

The Christian Right running their own candidate instead of backing Republithugs. I can see it now, the Irrational Party will pull 23%, the Republicans 19%, and the Democrats 58%!

[greenman3610]

19. I'm dubious that they will get it

George is God to them.

[lostnfound]

24. I understand your anger but

I fault people to the extent of their malicious intent or their '7 deadly sins' but no further -- never for gullibility.

A child is born gullible and some people never grow out of that, some may not even have the mind to get beyond it, and some may mistakenly believe that innocence of worldview is as valuable as innocence of intent or action. Some may have burdens and scars too deep to take on any more emotional conflict, to accept the pain that comes with reshaping your mind in a way that conflicts with your upbringing.

[Philosoraptor]

25. THEIR gullibility endangers us all, or I wouldn't be concerned

THEIR gullibility is the kind that collapses societies.

[PreacherCasey]

31. This is an important point.

We need to remember that we are all human beings. The tag lines of conservative, liberal, repuplican, democrat, ect. serve only to divide us as people. If our goal truly is to reform government and inact a peaceful, free society we must not think of people in terms of the stereotyped groups we put them in. Of course Dems and Repubs can't agree on anything, they're all looking at the same issue, but through the rose colored glasses of their individual parties.
I believe the Democratic party would do well to reach out and embrace the so called "religous right" now more than ever. We need to appeal to EVERYONE'S sense of justice, point out falasies and hypocrisy, and engage in open and frank dialogue. It will do nothing to furthur these causes if we sit here on a Democratic website and preach to the choir. Here's hoping...

[renate]

60. thanks for those wise, articulate insights...

...and welcome to DU!

:hi:

[PreacherCasey]

65. Thanks for welcoming me

:)

[spoony]

84. *Applause*

:applause: There's still plenty of room for duped, sincere people to come into the Democratic party. There are some malicious individuals, but what you say is important to remember; we should be leaving the light on for the ex-gullible.

[Lerkfish]

26. wow! excellent rant. kicked and rec'd.

[donheld]

27. Gay bush lovers should realize they're in the same boat.

he'll use them and spit them out like old tabacco.

[TheCowsCameHome]

33. Do unto themselves as they did unto the rest of us.

Tough shit, you holier than thou creeps.

[proud2BlibKansan]

34. I agree completely

The talibornagains are as dangerous as the BFEE.

[Fuzz]

35. It will be interesting to see how the freepers dismiss this guy

once this book starts making news.

[poofer]

49. next to impossible

I listened that night on Keith's show and it was mentioned that it would be next to impoosible to discredit this guy for any reason.

[Fuzz]

50. You are underestimating the freepers ability to bury their heads

in the sand

[Name removed]

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[newportdadde]

38. And they will line up again and do it again... forever they will always

vote RW. I know several of them, its all about abortion, nothing else matters. They will vote RW each and every time on the outside chance that abortion would be made illegal.

[Brewman_Jax]

39. Oh waah!

:nopity:

Of course they were duped. It's very easy to lead when your followers have their brains turned off. They can dial 1-800-WHO-CARES. :nopity:

[RedStateShame]

40. Campaign contributions in 30-silver-piece amounts

So, people who profess to be followers of Jesus Christ, who preached loving your enemies and helping the poor, are upset with their candidates, who pushed for continuing a war on the Middle East and redirecting wealth to increase the wealth of the already obscenely rich?

Who, exactly, betrayed whom?

[Union Thug]

42. Fundies be damned, but you know who I think are equally bad?

And this is targeted at your statement that "they alone gave us Reagan, Bush one..." - The people I really despise are those assholes who were popularly known as Reagan Democrats. THEY put the bastards in office, THEY are complicit in facilitating the war on the working people of this country that has been raging for 30 years.

Fundies are definately idiots in my book, but those who betrayed us, those that I consider traitors to their class and party, are the so-called Democrats that contributed to the election of that doddering, laughable buffoon, Ronald Reagan.

Sorry about the tangent, but 30 years later, this is still an exposed nerve...

[glitch]

53. Completely agree. And some of them still point to Reagan as their "true"

conservative icon. As if that makes them any better than a bushbot. Oh all right, very slightly marginally better. Maybe.

[leesa]

44. I'm sorry. Are we supposed to believe this Kuo guy is not an a**hole?

Am I missing something? He's writing from his post in the office of Faith Based Initiatives as though it was someone else doing all these shitty things to unsuspecting people. Impeccable Christian credentials...you bet.

[Philosoraptor]

45. not me

I despise him, he is the very one I'm pissed at, he and his suddenly shocked zombie fellows

[renate]

62. I know almost nothing about him but it sounds like he was at least earnest

I don't have a problem with people of any religious stripe who have a real desire to do good, in whatever deity's name. I'm sure I disagree with him on many issues, but simply having an opinion different from mine doesn't make a person an a**hole.

It sounds like he wrote the book because he was offended by the cynical use of religion for political gain rather than to help people. I appreciate the fact that his faith was sincere enough that he objected to that rather than just going along with it.

[npincus]

47. "Tenpting Faith" climbing up the charts at Amazon!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2377652

[TNOE]

48. Dupe Post - But WAIT A MINUTE YOU GUYS

I had an ephany last night - first I watched Olberman and saw the story on this book, which is going to be EVEN MORE DEVESTATING NEWS for this administration (Thank God!!) and then I watched Bill Moyers report on how many Evangelicals are turning green - starting to care about the environment and protecting it.

It occurred to me then that we can reach a middle ground with the Evangelicals - once Bush & his administration are not in the middle dividing. When they finally see the truth of things - this is going to really open the door for the Evangelicals, Christians and non-religious liberals to be able to work together on common issues. Perhaps this will be the key to getting religion out of politics.

Anyway, it became very clear to me that the Evangelicals will see that they have been used. We shouldn't "glory" in their pain, but take this as an opportunity to work together for the common good.

[americanstranger]

51. I hate to be a cynic, but

I'll believe that they feel duped when I see it.

Bush and his gang of thugs has violated so many basic tenets of Christianity - they're greed-based, have no compunction with committing mass murder, they lie, they slander, they savage, they rape the land, they flout the law.

And all it takes are some buzzwords and a few trinkets to keep the fundies happy.

A little cheap talk about Jeebus goes a long way, apparently. And if Bush's fundie followers are anything like Bush himself, they'll cling to the myth that the Republicans are on their side rather than admit a mistake.

- as

[Name removed]

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[progressoid]

54. It's all Clinton's fault - none of this was a problem until Bill became

president!

[lectrobyte]

58. I know you are joking, but the first big sign of this religious right

political move that I can remember was something called the Moral Majority in 1980 or so, from Jerry Falwell.

[lectrobyte]

56. The nuts.

Thanks, I missed this on KO. I'm definitely wanting to read the book, I'm very interested in the "faith based" initiatives.

[SammyWinstonJack]

57. And their Dear Leader was "born again" just to get their votes!

:evilgrin: :rofl: They can thank rover for that one! :rofl:

[lectrobyte]

59. And supposedly throws in a "code phrase" to the faithful in his

speeches every now and then... Stuff referring to the rapture or born againness or something. I used to have some links to some examples, but lost it. Anybody have that?

[eppur_se_muova]

63. Tough shit with cockroach clusters.

You FOOLS! I unclog my nose in your general direction! I wave my private parts at your aunties!

[Philosoraptor]

64. It gives whole new meaning to the phrase, "Left Behind"

[FyurFly]

71. LOL

My sides are hurtin :rofl:

[Name removed]

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[Dragonbreathp9d]

68. How about nstead of berating them,

we do the liberal thing and extend our arms to them, try to get them in with our morals such as health care, education, help for the sick, poor, elderly. It is a strong voter base, so instead of turning them off like the repubs are doing, lets bring them in with open arms and forgiveness

[Philosoraptor]

69. try it, and let me know how that goes

[spoony]

85. It goes well

Ask the red letter people. Hell of a lot more productive than gloating.

[earth mom]

70. No pity here. As they say "Cry me a river".

:nopity:

What they have done to this country is a total insult to what this country was founded upon.

Why oh why weren't they raptured?!

:puke:


p.s. Glad to see this thread back in working order. ;)

[Philosoraptor]

72. instead of raptured, they've ruptured

they are shocked, I tell you, shocked.

[earth mom]

73. A little cold hard reality, eh?

:evilgrin:

[ComerPerro]

74. Please remember this, though, it is EXTREMELY important:

It doesn't matter if they feel betrayed by Bush and Republicans. It doesn't matter if they think Bush isn't a true Christian, or that Bush isn't a true conservative.

It doesn't even matter if they openly admit that they were used.


The important thing is: They still hate "godless liberals" and Secular Progressives more than they will ever resent the Republicans.

Our message has been so pervaded by RW attacks over the years that we may never be able to win these people back.

So how do we get our message out without compromising on our key issues? That's the struggle...

[Crunchy Frog]

75. They'd vote for Satan himself if he had an "R" after his name

and their leaders told them to. They seem to be a type who needs to be told what they think, and needs to be herded around like sheep. I hope that this new book will bring about a few epiphanies and wake a few people up. It will be interesting to see what kind of an effect it has on that group.

[Disturbed]

76. Most Fundies will not vote for Dems.

Many of them may not vote in the upcoming Election.

[dansolo]

79. They are casting religious leaders as victims

I don't doubt that the Republicans have disdain for the average Evangelical. The thing that seems to be ignored is that I believe that the prominant religious leaders like Dobson, Falwell, and Robertson have as much, if not more, disdain for the average Evangelical. They are merely pawns to them, allowing them to accumulate power and wealth. But the way this story is being told, it's as if the religious leaders have been duped all along. They haven't been duped, they are complicit.

[LostInAnomie]

80. I've been saying this all day and I'll say it again.

The fundies and evangelicals do not and will not care that they have been betrayed. Their leaders love the feeling of being catered to. They love knowing that they hold sway. They will find any number of rationalizations and justifications to not believe anything that will come out about *.

The RR are the same folks that believe that they know a person's soul. They already have faith that * is God's representative on earth. Anything to the contrary will one further convince them that liberals will stop at nothing to try to destroy their Crawford Messiah.

I'll believe that they will turn away from * when I see it. Until then they are brainless tools enabling the Repukes to tear apart America.

[Poiuyt]

81. "Take me in oh pretty woman..."

On her way to work one morning
Down the path along side the lake
A tender hearted woman saw a poor half frozen snake
His pretty colored skin had been all frosted with the dew
"Oh well," she cried, "I'll take you in and I'll take care of you"
"Take me in oh tender woman
Take me in, for heaven's sake
Take me in oh tender woman," sighed the snake

She wrapped him up all cozy in a curvature of silk
And then laid him by the fireside with some honey and some milk
Now she hurried home from work that night as soon as she arrived
She found that pretty snake she'd taking in had been revived
"Take me in, oh tender woman
Take me in, for heaven's sake
Take me in oh tender woman," sighed the snake

Now she clutched him to her bosom, "You're so beautiful," she cried
"But if I hadn't brought you in by now you might have died"
Now she stroked his pretty skin and then she kissed and held him tight
But instead of saying thanks, that snake gave her a vicious bite
"Take me in, oh tender woman
Take me in, for heaven's sake
Take me in oh tender woman," sighed the snake

"I saved you," cried that woman
"And you've bit me even, why?
You know your bite is poisonous and now I'm going to die"
"Oh shut up, silly woman," said the reptile with a grin
"You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in
"Take me in, oh tender woman
Take me in, for heaven's sake
Take me in oh tender woman," sighed the snake

[Philosoraptor]

82. one of my faves! how appropriate

[bklyncowgirl]

83. Some will see the light, most will dismiss it.

Frankly, it seems to me that if even 10% of the self-proclaimed religious conservatives realize that they have been used then that is a very good thing for this country.

No one like to be used.

[tom_paine]

86. Christian Hitler lovers felt duped in 1945 and after, too

But up until 1945, Christian Hitler lovers were perfectly on board with the program.

The more things change, the more they stay the same. Christian Hitler lovers and Christian Bush lovers, so very alike in so many ways (except overt racism and barbaric violence, thank God), deserve the exact same contempt from those who saw through Hitler and Bush from the very first.

[Zero Division]

87. Will it change their voting habits? That's the important question.

If larger numbers stop voting or start supporting the Constitution Party, then we'll really know they've given up on the Republican Party. I doubt it though. It seems to me that many of them have a better grasp of the futility of third parties in our system and what's reasonable to expect from the majority of politicians when it comes to representing their own personal views than some of those on the more leftward end of the spectrum. But perhaps that's just my own pessimism speaking.