Since They mention Chappaqidick, can we mention Laura BUSH, the KILLER?

[symbolman]

My wife laid it out, as soon as they started in on Ted Kennedy and Chappaqidick, and how FOLEY didn't KILL anyone, why is it not reasonable for us to say, "Oh you mean like LAURA BUSH who KILLED an Ex Boyfriend with a CAR?"

THAT LAURA, the pResident's WIFE?

Frankly I'd like to know more about that.

Like the old G-men days fighting the gangsters, "They bring a knife, YOU bring a GUN." THAT'S how the Democrats need to DO, stop bringing a plastic spoon to a Knife Fight :)

[Hissyspit]

1. Well, technically they shouldn't be mentioning Chappaquidick...

since it has nothing to do with anything. But your point is taken and well made.

[bluestateguy]

2. Or Bill Janklow the KILLER

If they want to play that game, fine. Bring it on. We'll match them 2 for every one they bring up.

[symbolman]

3. But didn't HE do time for that?

What did Laura have to do, stay after school on Saturday?

Work a week in the Library?

Marry Bush? Naw, that would be TORTURE :)

[Justitia]

10. Janklow did a whopping 30 days, then was allowed to leave jail daily

until he was fully released only 5 months later.

Laura Welch Bush never rec'd so much as a single ticket for killing that boy.

[Hepburn]

18. AND..........

........his law license was restored to him. Yep, he is now in court representing clients.

Guess he paid his debt to society, right? :eyes:

[KharmaTrain]

47. I'm Glad Someone Else Remembers This One...

Here's a guy who skated without serving a day in jail, too. Had he not been a Congressman and Former Governor, he'd be someone's bitch.

These goons operate by Pavlovian reflex. They can't accept responsibility and have to immediately find someone/something to blame. That's why I never hesitate these days to call anyone who still professes to support this regime and the Repugnican party as being immoral.

[Richard Steele]

4. YES. Every frickin' chance we get!

[calimary]

5. If that's the can of worms they want to open up, fine. We can play

that game, too. And we ABSOLUTELY should. Hit back, and HIT BACK HARD. Taste of their own medicine. See how they like it.

Couldn't agree with you more, symbolman. Shays better beware what sort of Pandora's Box he's playing with. Besides, it makes him look more than a little pathetic, reaching like that. But if he wants to go there, then fine. So be it. EVERYTHING'S fair game, as far as I'm concerned.

[Kikosexy2]

6. you go ..

right ahead and mention it please...

[Hubert Flottz]

7. "FOLEY didn't KILL anyone"

THe GOP and their lying boss, have killed hundreds of thousands in the elective oil war in Iraq!

[opihimoimoi]

26. Foley was busy drillin Mud Flaps....

[Hubert Flottz]

42. The GOPers are up to their beady little hairy eyeballs in the stuff.

Drilling Mud...is like mighty fine wine, to a greasy old wildcatting GOPer goop tycoon. Oil based muds is the stuff their dreams are all made of! Always on the move from one muddy hole to the next, looking for that monster gusher of their dreams, the Mother Of All Gushers. Always fearing and dreading...the old dry hole thangy.

Ace is the place, to get your mud flaps and blowout preventers, ASAP. Frick and Frack always shop at ACE!

[opihimoimoi]

43. Ace sells those Cheap Flaps, so sez my cuz Luke from 'Bama

Acme got the Real good ones, more expensive but thems the bes

Cuz Luke sez he is mortified the Foley guy turns out to be a Pedio and he is pissed them other GOPers backing him up like it OK to hit on young chillun.

All this talk about Flaps an Shit is KILLIN the Southern Boys no end...

[Hubert Flottz]

45. Gawd is tired of the GOPers using the church to hide behind while

they have broken ever rule written in the big black book and then joked and laughed about it, until they were caught.

Mt 18:6 "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea."

JC is pissed and the Jokers are about to pay for their old bullshit, it looks like!

[opihimoimoi]

48. The GOPers turns out to be Sodomites and Gommorahnites too

Hiding behind the veil of the Lord, they Rule the GOP CROP...not knowing BUSHCO and his peeps are laughing their asses off at them....

The World has gone Insane with this Fanatical Shit.

Took 4 days to get clean water and food to those guys in N O last year....all them Churches and all the Chimps Men couldn't do it sooner....and forget the Toilet Paper...that took 6 days....

The Horrid GOP Stories just gets more and more....

[Justitia]

8. Their boy Janklow DID kill someone w/his car - got a slap on the wrist.

And if they bring up Chappaquiddick from 40 freaking yrs ago, I'm totally cool with bringing up Laura Bush killing Michael Dutton Douglas (her boyfriend) back in Midland.

[WildClarySage]

9. Two words: Joe Scarborough

Two more: Lori Klausutis

Any questions?

[DBoon]

67. "live boys and dead girls"

Combined with a cover-up

[IndyOp]

71. Yes...

:wtf:

Joe Scarborough... Lori Klausutis

Link please?

[Jack Rabbit]

11. Yeah, you could . . .

. . . but it would have about as much to do with current events as Chappaquiddick.

The issue right now is the failure of GOP leadership in Congress and the White House. Let's talk about that.

[symbolman]

13. I wonder which one is more timely

I suppose that LAURA THE KILLER's noncrime happened not so long ago in geologic time, compared to Ted's indescretion - loved how Olbermann joked about how old the reference was that we might as well be talking about FDR (paraphrasing)..

I just like to imagine a world where if someone crosses the line they get Beat Like a Circus Donkey until they think twice about doing it.

In the old days, when I was a kid, men taught each other MANNERS. If you smarted off, you got punched in the face, not shot or killed, and you learned to keep your mouth shut :)

[Jack Rabbit]

16. Actually, I don't care about the circumstances or date of either event

I suppose that LAURA THE KILLER's noncrime happened not so long ago in geologic time, compared to Ted's indescretion.

So what if one took place in the Cretaceous period and the other in the Jurassic?

Is Laura a killer? I'm not one to jump to conclusions, so I won't try to answer that. However, even if she is, what bothers me is that her husband started a war based on lies that has by some estimates claimed over a half million lives. He is a mass murderer. Other than having had the poor taste to marry such a man, Laura has nothing to with it. Eva Braun's love life may seem a bit grotesque, but no one holds her responsible for the crimes at Auschwitz.

And the events of an automobile accent/murder by automobile that took place in Texas many years ago certainly has nothing to do with the GOP congressional leadership cover up for an active pedophile for several years. which is what Mr. Shays was supposed to be talking about when he brought up Chappaquiddick out the the blue. Mr. Shays' red herring was so stale that is didn't even stink, let alone throw the hounds off the scent.

[symbolman]

19. But at least

Foley didn't kill anyone.. or DID HE? MMMMHHHUUUUHHAAHHAAHHAAHAAA <---cue malignant laughter here

We won't know until we check his basement now will we?

Like Gacy once said, "Boy Scouts make great Insulation, but you have to sex them First.."

But I think the best exchange was on the Daily show, where Jon Stewart showed a clip of Wolfie attacking some Repig and demanding PROOF that Democrats outed Foley.. And the Repig answered "Well do you have any proof that they DIDN'T?"

TO which Jon Quipped, "It's very much like the Justice system where you don't have to prove that the suspect did it, just that EVERYONE ELSE in the United States DIDN'T.." LOL, gotta love 'em for TRYING to stuff them Strawmen so close to Halloween too! :)

[Jack Rabbit]

24. Blitzer and McHenry

That was a good exchange. And kudos to Blitzer (we don't say that too often here, but he due credit for this).

McHenry was making the wild charge that the Foley matter was a Democratic plot for no better reason than the Democrats benefitted from the disclosure (note to all: please observe that fallacy of the "who benefits?" hypothesis). Blitzer demanded proof and McHenry, as if he anticipated getting this line from somebody, "Can you prove they didn't?"

It's like demanding that Saddam prove he had no weapons. Or that Bush stopped drinking years ago.

Blitzer question was to the meat of the matter; McHenry's response was pathetic.

[symbolman]

29. It was the first time in history that I considered Blitzer

as anything other than a single celled organism with a hypnotic, boring voice that lulls you into receiving the message.

He actually LOOKED and SOUNDED like a Journalist, didn't he.. just a Fluke I'm sure - they'll take him down to the Disney Lab, and the AnimaTronics people will make the adjustments to correct the problem.

As for PROVE THEY DIDN'T arguement, that's ALL I've ever heard from Repig wannabees at parties, debates, etc.. their only weapon is to try and make it look like YOU are stupid because you can't PROVE a Negative..

Oldest trick in the book, isn't it? :)

[cui bono]

37. Hey!

(note to all: please observe that fallacy of the "who benefits?" hypothesis)

What have you got against me? ;)

[Jack Rabbit]

41. LOL

What have you got against me?

Why, nothing, at least not personally.

[cui bono]

73. Not yet anyway. ;) n/t

[opihimoimoi]

28. The JoAnn K thing is a sign of desperation...what else they got? Nuthin

[Swamp Rat]

12. yes

[DesertRat]

17. Oh good lord, Swamp Rat

That picture almost made me jump out of my chair!

[helderheid]

21. my son saw that picture and said "Wow! It's a half alien half human

isn't it?" and I responded "No one knows for sure."

[EFerrari]

39. LOL!

[Swamp Rat]

44. LOL!

no higher compliment. :D

[EFerrari]

38. That's how she looks to me all the time!

:rofl:

[Faux pas]

14. A&E television did a report on Chappaquiddick a few weeks back,

and the experts that did a new investigation concluded that Kennedy wasn't even in the car when Miss Kopeckne(spelling?) died. The investigators believe Miss Kopeckne was driving (alone) and drove the car into the water. They believed Kennedy would rather be charged with leaving the scene of an accident than to admit to anyone that he and Miss Kopeckne were having an affair. One of her friends was interviewed at the end of the show, and she said there was no way that the two were fooling around. Anyway, it was quite an interesting show, and everyone should watch it when it comes on again.

Peace on ya all.

[Justitia]

15. It's been accepted for sometime that Kennedy was not in the car.

Just as you saw in the show. Lots of evidence support that. The theory was that he didn't want to be seen with a young, single female in his car while a policeman patrolled nearby, so he gave her the keys to drive herself home and he walked back to his hotel. He had no idea she drove his car off a bridge until his friends told him so the next day. That would explain why his clothes were dry to witnesses and he seemed untroubled the next morning at the hotel by fellow guests - he had no idea what happened - yet.

Giving your car keys to someone you suspect is inebriated is a felony offense (she was almost dbl the legal limit, IIRC). Leaving the scene of an accident is a misdemeanor. You can decide what you think about that choice. I never believed he would knowingly leave someone to die as the wingers would have you believe.

No matter what the circumstances of that particular accident, nothing diminishes the respect I have for the substantial work Ted Kennedy has done of the behalf of the people during his long, distinguished service in the senate. In fact, there are few I respect more - it would have been a helluva lot easier to count his millions and go play golf the rest of his life. The man never gives up - not even 40 yrs later when assholes continue to throw this crap in his face.

Thanks for hanging in there, Teddy.

[FourScore]

20. Drunk driving has always been a terrible thing.

But it seems that back then it was more...well...tolerated I guess for lack of a better word, than it is today. The old movies or old sit-coms portray a different mindset. The town cop leaning over the stopped car, "Now Harvey, you really shouldn't be driving right now. Why don't you get yourself on home safely to your wife and kids." MADD had not yet been formed and the commercials and public campaign against drunk driving had not yet solidified. So I'm wondering if it was a felony back then to put an intoxicated person behind the wheel? I dunno. Just askin'.:dunce:

[Poiuyt]

61. Really? I'd never heard that

Do you have any links?

[FighttheFuture]

65. Ummm... were those DUI laws in effect then?

I'm not saying is was a smart or right thing to do, but if you want to get "legal", then consider the times.

[G Hawes]

22. Sure, that's fair.

Problem is that their obvious response would be, "so what? Laura wasn't elected to any office, so bfd" and besides, bush isn't up for re-election so what his wife did decades ago won't likely have much effect at this point.

Still, it's certainly fair game to talk about republican indiscretions, no question, and I see absolutely nothing wrong with that at all. I'd just be careful about which ones to mention and which ones to leave alone for lack of effectiveness.

[Quantess]

55. this story HAS been left alone!

This is the first I've heard of it, and we've had to deal with her lousy ass for 6 years and counting.

[FighttheFuture]

66. It just goes to show the Bush clan are all sociopaths, criminals and

murderers.

[Rex]

23. We can, but why? This is not a 'well your side did it too, so it is OKAY'.

That is a 5 year olds mentality. There is no score here - just people who fuck up and don't have to pay like the rest of us would pay legally.

The Repukes invented this stupid game - If your side does it, then it is okay for my side to do it to. Rob a bank? Your side did it (even if they didn't, the M$M will say they did) so we can do it.

It is amazing how successful it works.

[symbolman]

25. Yeah, funny how we keep taking the higher road

yet keep ending up in the wagon ruts with horse shoe marks all over our backs..

There are no rules anymore. We'll get back to the rules after we've sent the MONSTER off and shackled him in the basement, where we can treat him kindly, after all it's not HIS fault he's a MONSTER..

There are no LAWS, sometimes you have to play dirty or even LIE for a greater good.

Many people are pining away in this country for someone that just KICKS SOME ASS and tells the damn truth. I know I do.

[Rex]

46. Oh I agree, I've reached that point too. I wanna kickem in the nuts

over and over again. It is just that they use the 'you do it, we do it'. When we don't do it and they report their worst assholes as Dems! I'm ready for a total asskicker to come along.

[FighttheFuture]

68. Wrong!! These hypocritical fucks hide behind religion, morals and family

values! When they fling shit, fling it back, and throw a extra bushel from their mountain of crap. There's no shortage of supply.

If you don't then plan to engrave "I took the highroad" on your tombstone, for all the fucking difference that will make!

[texasleo]

27. I had forgotten about Janklow. Damned librul meedia

[Annces]

30. Good idea

Even though we have the moral higher ground, we need to get in the mud too.

[lpbk2713]

31. And it was just pure luck that kept Deadeye Dick from killing that lawyer

And he was drunk on his ass before lunchtime.

[slackmaster]

32. Reasonable but IMO a weak response

Laura Bush doesn't hold an elected office, and attacking someone's spouse just seems tacky somehow.

[symbolman]

33. Yeah

Take THAT Hillary :)

There is nothing TOO LOW for these creatures and sometimes you need to turn over a lot of rocks to catch the monster that's stinging and killing, sure didn't stop them from Crucifying Hillary..

If they'll kill over a half a million people for nothing but money, oil and power then ALL is Fair in Love and War.

Tacky is sitting around OUR Precious White House complaining about a BJ while floating "air Biscuits" at each other like Frat Boys, making fun of Christians, and killing our troops for gain. ;)

[bling bling]

63. But what they did to Hillary was wrong.

My first reflexive response was to agree with you. It's tempting to give them a taste of their own medicine, but I think in this case it crosses a line.

There are no boundaries for the rethugs. They will stoop to lies, vicious smear campaigns, and vile character assissination if it gets them an extra vote.

They're tactics of winning people over to their side are repulsive and disgusting. I don't want to be a part of a slimy party that capitalizes on other people's past personal tragedies for their current political gain. It's outrageous that the Republicans do that and I just cannot justify the Democrats stooping to that level. We can do better than that and still win. And winning really is the bottom line here, not spite or vengeance.

[senseandsensibility]

34. Of course not you silly man

Haven't you learned yet that car accidents that result in death are only scandals when they happen to Democrats? I mean, where have you been for the past six years? Jeez....:sarcasm: <------

[Senator]

35. The Real Question: Did Dubya Do It ?!?

One detail from the never-investigated "unpleasant event" was that there was a mystery person in the car with young Laura.

Could this have been Dubya, just angry and/or drunk enough to lash out at a rival for Laura's affection?

Might a terrified Laura have been persuaded to slide over in the seat and "take the rap" for the entitled young prince of a powerful political dynasty?

Makes more sense than a timid librarian being so reckless.

There's no evidence it didn't happen that way.

Is their entire "happy life" together based on a murder coverup conspiracy?

Enquiring minds want to know.

--

[Felinity]

54. That fits with another story

The Couple from Hell were returning from some sort of campaign event, and Laura made some critical comment about G's performance, so he proceeded to drive the car into the back wall of the garage when they got home!

So many memories; I just love nostalgia. :nopity:

[Senator]

58. Well, three's a pattern

From How Bush Got (and Lost) His Wings

On a trip back to Washington, DC at Christmastime, Bush treats his younger brother to a night cruising the bars of Georgetown. In the early hours of the morning, a shit-faced Bush crashes his car into a row of garbage cans in front of the family house. Roused from his slumbers by the racket outside, his father confronts him in the driveway about driving around drunk. Bush the Younger threatens to pummel his father with his fists, but Marvin, also drunk, intervenes and Bush is sent packing back to Texas.

--

[Cocoa]

36. among ourselves, sure

outside of our crowd it's a pretty weak comeback.

[cui bono]

40. I think it's better to stay with the issue that counts, the cover up by

top levels of the GOP.

I agree with fighting back, just with issues that are relevant and carry more weight. The fact that they are bringing up such an old event shows how far they are having to reach for something to use as an excuse (which it really isn't).

[Quantess]

57. I agree!

Why bother with relatively petty crimes, when there are so many bigger crimes to seize upon?
It's like being at a buffet. You could fill up on the bread, but you'd be better off focusing on the prime rib.

[lonestarnot]

49. Last time I checked a car was a deadly weapon.

Laura is a scum bag who occupies our White House. Two killers in the same place. One is a serial killer, the other is a drunken killer.

[stella]

50. we should use it when they attack Hillary

[bluethruandthru]

51. My response to people who bring up Chappaquidick...

is "Oh, Wow..I guess we should just forget about Foley then, right? Kennedy did something wrong 40 years ago so that gives all republicans a pass on their bad behavior for..what, how long..forever? :sarcasm:

How the hell does Chappaquidick exonerate Foley/Hastert/any of them???

[struggle4progress]

52. It's ugly and diverts attention from more important issues, such as

Iraq, global warming, torture, habeas corpus, election fraud, Katrina, the national debt, cronyism ...

The advice "Don't take a knife to a gunfight" doesn't mean "The best way to take down a mobster is to slap his mistress around."

[orleans]

53. we already did that. there was the story about some girl who

was suing bush for rape and she turned up dead, the abortion he helped his friend get, his awol status, the hanky panky with victor ashe (don't forget poland!), gannon servicing the white house, laura moving out, um...what else

[Babsbrain]

56. DON"T STOOP TO THEIR LEVEL

The difference between them and us is our ability to take the
high road.  I am sure Laura is suffering enough for her
mistake made years ago.  

Always take the high road.  We'll get there faster.

[Felinity]

62. Like Kerry took the high road with the Swiftboaters?

These people don't fight fair; hell they don't even value fairness. Now I agree we don't have to stoop to their level, but when they start slinging mud around, we need to scrape it up and throw it back at them.

Welcome to DU!

[FighttheFuture]

64. Yeah, while your being ass-raped, congratulate them on their

technique while your at it. Idiot.

[LTR]

59. This came up on Ed Schultz yesterday

He had a caller who brought it up.

Now, I would have thought Eddie would just dismiss it, hang up and move on. But he seemed very interested, and wished she would have emailed it to him earlier, since he had some wingnut caller on earlier that brought up Ted Kennedy.

[TwentyFive]

60. Exactly! If they brink a gun. We bring one of these....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Imi_uzi_b22.jpg

[Generic Other]

69. All I have is this stupid spork

en garde!!

[madrchsod]

70. 207,976,452 people were alive 1970

today it is very close to 300,000,000....at least 1/3 of the population in the united state were not alive at that time. factor in that most people who are alive today could give a shit about something that happened some 35 years ago and i`d say they are trying to beat a dead horse back to life....great strategy to win a horse race isn`t it?

[bobbie]

72. Even better, let's mention the Nixon White House tape...

...where those in the loop mention the Chappaqidick set up:

"If Teddy knew the bear trap he was walking into at Chappaquiddick.."
John Dean, White House tapes, 1973