If Lou Dobbs would quit worrying about the nasty Brown Skinned people

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

and worry about what's really wrong with this country, he might be of value to this country.

He's got a guest on spreading fear via the mushroom cloud scenario again... This time from Mexico...



We need someone to be afraid of, the Terrorist thing has stopped working so now it's the Latino's turn in the barrel.

Sorry, guys.

[babylonsister]

1. I can't listen to him when he's doing his immigration spiel because

there are too many other issues that could really use his attention.

[Kikosexy2]

2. Did Lou Dobbs...

get rejected for sex by another brown-skinned Mex-can? Such a Taco-Queen Mr. Dobbs...

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

3. Jesus! He just implied they have IUd's! And the same weapons the

Insurgency in Iraq has...

What the fuck are they trying to say?

[TheDebbieDee]

8. IUDs ..... LOL !

Intra-Uterine Devices.......

Since many Mexicans are practicing Catholics and don't use birth-control, I doubt that we have to woory about them throwing IUDs at us!

:rofl:

[EFerrari]

14. LOL!

Incoming! Diaphragm, nine o'clock!

:rofl:

[cboy4]

4. I've been saying that for the past six months...at least.

He's becoming just as obsessed with Mexicans as Republicans are with Gays.

[daninthemoon]

5. I cannot understand why he is so fired up about this. Who does he

think (probably) cleans the cnn offices after he goes home at night? Where do his nice fruit and vegetables come from at dinner? Unless he's growin his own, he is funding illegal immigrants. How much more money would he be willing to pay for all the many services illegal immigrants do? This is how America has always worked. New immigrants work the jobs "native borns' won't do.

[EFerrari]

6. Personally, I hope I scare the Cr@P! out of him.

Better watch out, LOu! I could be watching you right NOW!

Boo!

:rofl:

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

7. I hope you can give him a wake up call....

He's no better than Hitler in his arguments.

[EFerrari]

13. He isn't. It astonishes me that someone like that actually has

his own show in this country.

We should just mail him a mustache and a forelock and go whole hog. :shrug:

[Lost-in-FL]

9. Hey Lou pendejo...

I am the one picking your tomatoes and making your tortillas cabron!!

:rofl:

[EFerrari]

12. LOL!

:rofl:

[TahitiNut]

10. So, it'd be OK to say illegal (non-)immigration was a problem ...

... if they were white-skinned? :eyes:

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

11. Sorry, TN... You'll have to make that a bit more clear for me.

I really don't quite get the jist.

[Cleita]

17. There are as many white, English speaking immigrants coming

into this country as from Latin America. No one seems to talk about them though.

[TahitiNut]

18. The INS seems to disagree.

is the largest source country for unauthorized immigration to the United States. The estimated unauthorized resident population from Mexico increased from about 2.0 million in 1990 to 4.8 million in January 2000. Mexico’s share of the total unauthorized resident population increased from 58 percent in 1990 to 69 percent in 2000. In addition to Mexico, six countries had more than 100,000 unauthorized residents in the United States in January 2000 --El Salvador, Guatemala, Colombia, Honduras, China, and Ecuador.

http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/shared/aboutus/statistics/Ill_Report_1211.pdf

Apparently, the proportional increase between 1990 and 2000 has continued, if not accelerated.

I've observed that the vast majority of "discussions" on this topic are laden with gross distortions and a plethora of fallacies. While the stances seem to be firm, they don't seem to have been adopted on the basis of objective information.

[Cleita]

They don't seem to be able to back their figures.

Let's face it, when there is an INS roundup, they go after the hispanics. Working in the restaurant business in various capacities during my lifetime in Southern California, I witnessed a few. The illegal Europeans were ignored as the INS went after the Hispanics. So this is where they get their figures. It's whom they caught and whom they wanted to catch, not whom was here.

I think if the INS decides to be honest, they will release figures that will show the number of illegal Europeans who married American citizens, whom they had to legalize because of marriage, children, etc. Those are the figures I want to see that don't seem to be so available.

[TahitiNut]

26. So, the 'facts' are whatever anyone wants them to be?

You asserted a fact. I went to what would generally be regarded as the most authoritative source and found otherwise. The Bureau of the Census figures seem to agree with the INS figures. It's IMPOSSIBLE to have a sane and reasonable discussion when freed of any respect whatsoever for 'official' figures and reputable estimates.

This becomes a FAITH-BASED topic under that condition. The rhetoric has no validity when based on mere assertions and zealously held beliefs that will not admit to any change whatsoever, even in the face of objective data.

[Cleita]

28. Try the Pew Hispanic Center.

They try to gather together the best statistics they can, but even they admit it's really hard to document a demography that doesn't fall into the usual accountable niches.

[TahitiNut]

32. Even their figures agree with the INS figures.

10.3 Million Unauthorized in March 2004
Mexico -- 57% (5.9 million)
Other Latin America -- 24% (2.5 million)
Asia -- 9% (1.0 million)
Europe & Canada -- 6% (0.6 million)
Africa & Other -- 4% (0.4 million)
http://pewhispanic.org/files/reports/46.pdf

Now, I don't personally know what anyone really means by "brown person" (I let people describe themselves) but it seems that 81% might qualify in 2004, based on national origin. On the same basis, 'whites' seem to be less than 1/10th of that ... 6%.

I'm not personally inclined to think the US "needs" any more "white" people. I have an aesthetic preference for variety. At the same time, I also have a strong preference for LEGAL migration and a workforce that's enfranchised to VOTE. Thus, I vehemently oppose "guest worker" programs as well as illegal migration.

But at least I try diligently to distinguish between my preferences and the objective data.

[Cleita]

35. Because that's the only figures they can get.

Yet, they admit that these are not the best. Trust me they aren't accurate. I live in an area that is 54% hispanic here in California. Most are actually legal,like second generation farm workers but they get lumped in with the illegals because of the way the stats are done.

[TahitiNut]

37. Yeah. Right.

Congress, Pew, the INS, and the Bureau of the Census ... a conspiracy. :eyes:


:puke:

[Cleita]

39. Fer chrissakes. they can't count the vote right and these are

inanimate objects. How can they count people who are unwilling to be counted. Also, the brown people who speak a different language will be the ones to be counted, not the ones who look like you.

[Elwood P Dowd]

19. 60-70 percent of the illegal immigrants come from Mexico alone

and they come via the Mexican border. There are approximately 12 million illegal Mexican immigrants in this country. There are NOT 12 million white, English speaking illegals in this country. There are NOT 12 million white, English speaking LEGAL immigrants in this country.

[Cleita]

20. Yes, and everybody is so countable.

Exactly where do they get these statistics and exactly how do they separate a group that blends in with the white population nicely against the group that doesn't?

Let's face it, you can't count people who are not in the system with any accuracy. I also knew so many of those other white illegal immigrants.

Frack! I worked in a so-called Irish Pub as a bartender. I think I was the only legal worker there. All the bartenders and waitresses were illegal (europeans) as were the kitchen staff (latin americans). And the Europeans outnumbered the latino kitchen staff.

[Elwood P Dowd]

21. So you get you statistics from an Irish bar?

There are NOT millions of English speaking illegals in this country. Hell, most people in English speaking countries wouldn't want to live on this fascist-controlled sinking ship in the first place.

[Cleita]

22. Oh so sorry. That was an ancedote. However, since it was

a personal experience,I BELIEVE IT because it was my experience! I don't expect you to because your prejudices are already well formed apparently. Also, the INS isn't counting people in an unbiased way anymore than the Dept. of Labor is counting our unemployed in an unbiased way.

[Elwood P Dowd]

23. I'm not prejudiced against anyone.

Where is there any prejudice in any of my posts?

[Cleita]

24. Look at your post #19.

If you can't see it. I can't explain it.

Hint: Think of Thanksgiving coming up.

[Elwood P Dowd]

25. So stating facts is prejudice?

Saying that Mexicans are the largest group of illegals is prejudice? You've lost your freaking mind.

[Cleita]

27. When you state some facts with sources, maybe I

will change my lost mind.

[Elwood P Dowd]

30. You use an Irish bar and then ask me for sources?

You have already discounted facts from the INS and Census Bureau. You discounted an article from Thom Hartmann a few months ago. It makes no difference. You have convinced yourself that an open southern border is just peachy, and that we should just let anyone and everyone come to the good ole' USA with no strings attached.

[Cleita]

31. Oh, but I didn't say anything about an open border.

My opinion is if those who want to come here can come here legally, then they are protected by our laws as are our citizens. Those who can't find jobs will go home. No one seems to want to exploit this option, yet white people seem to be able to cross the Canadian border at will. It doesn't work in the opposite direction. The Canadians really work hard at keeping us out. I am of course against allowing criminals and drug dealers into our country, but right now they seem to have carte blanche. Money talks. No?

[Cleita]

15. Nevermind, they have a new plan for exterminating brown people.

I just saw the latest military recruitment commercial on my teevee. An unmistakably stereotypical, hispanic teenager is trying to get his dad to talk to him about the benefits of joing the military. Ah, yeah.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

16. Hopefully, someone named Juan or Juanita will "steal" his job.

Poor Lou would have to work for a living instead of mouthing "respectable" racist sludge.

[Malikshah]

29. I have this image of Lou soiling himself under some bed every

Cinco de Mayo.

Lou-- get a grip and get a life.

The very idea that he espoused yesterday (Tuesday) that illegal immigrants were taking the jobs of National Guardsmen and women in Iraq is ludicrous. He clearly has not done his homework.

[Cleita]

33. I just saw some new commercials for recruitment into the military.

They weren't specific as to the service. They just called it military and had a very stereotypical, gangbanger looking type of teenager talking to his father about joining.

Just saying.

[Malikshah]

38. I wasn't referring to enlistment=citizenship-- but rather-- while

the National Guard is off in Iraq and Afghanistan, illegal immigrants are taking their jobs here in the U.S.-- that was the jist of what Lou was spewing.

[Catherine Vincent]

34. He's pretty bold for going out there to San Antonio, Texas

Lots of brown folks out there. He may be getting picketed.

[Cleita]

36. I used to live in Boerne, north of San Antonio, There's a lot

of bigoted white people there too.