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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 02:45 PM
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Baghdad is Surrounded: “The American Era in the Middle East has ended”
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15488.htm

11/03/06 "Information Clearing House" -- -- Don Rumsfeld is not a good leader. In fact, he is a very bad leader. Leadership is predicated on three basic factors: Strong moral character, sound judgment, and the ability to learn from one’s mistakes. None of these apply to Rumsfeld. As a result, every major decision that has been made in Iraq has been wrong and has cost the lives of countless Iraqis and American servicemen. This pattern will undoubtedly continue as long as Rumsfeld is the Secretary of Defense.

Here’s a simple test: Name one part of the occupation of Iraq which has succeeded?

Security? Reconstruction? De-Ba’athification? Dismantling the Iraqi military? Protecting Saddam’s ammo-dumps? Stopping the looting? Body armor? Coalition government? Abu Ghraib? Falluja? Even oil production has been slashed in half.

Every facet of the occupation has been an unmitigated disaster. Nothing has succeeded. Everything has failed.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 02:51 PM
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1. But they're not telling us about the good things that are happening
Edited on Sun Nov-05-06 02:52 PM by Jackpine Radical
in Iraq.
We have rebuilt at least 3% of the schools we bombed, and there will be students in those schools Real Soon Now.
Baghdad sometimes has electricity now.
We are disarming the terrorists by driving around in convoys and luring them into shooting their scarce munitions at us.
And we are creating--I mean, fighting--terrorists over there so we don't have to cre-uh, fight them here.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 06:38 PM
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16. True
I heard that their exports, shipments of Puppies and Butterflies have been tripled, so what is with this Hate Iraq First crowd? :)
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 07:16 PM
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19. and we're about to execute Saddam...

which could really get the civil war going.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 07:59 PM
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22. The Devil will have Saddam
That won't put one kilowatt more power in an Iraqi family's home.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 02:58 PM
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2. And the US has abandoned plans to rebuild Iraq's infrastructure
Companies like Bechtel and others, that were paid billions to restore water, power, sewage and the like have failed and are all pulling out. Baghdad is just barely receiving slightly more electrical power than before the invasion.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 03:01 PM
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3. Name one part of the occupation of Iraq which has succeeded?
Keeping Iraq's oil off the market has been very successful development...for Saudi Arabia and Big Oil stockholders. For everyone else, particularly Iraqi's and the American people...a total disaster.
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XboxWarrior Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 03:59 PM
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4. Name one part of the occupation of Iraq which has succeeded?
Well, from what I've noticed, not all the cars are exploding. :eyes:

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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 05:46 PM
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10. Hoofuckingray,
we have a winner, we now know that victory is at hand, and all terrorists around the world will now bow down and lick the boots of the all powerful George W Bush.

enjoy your stay.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 05:51 PM
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11. What's with the "enjoy your stay"??
:wtf:
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 06:35 PM
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15. typicaly
posts talking about all the great things going on in Iraq that are posted in a sarcastic way are followed by :sarcasm:

Posts that are challenged on the veracity of evidence are followed by :eyes:

Sorry if I took yours wrong, but the halloween kids are out in force.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 07:54 PM
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20. How come you didn't jump all over me for posting about the good
things? I didn't use a :sarcasm: either. In fact I hardly ever do, depending on the perspicacity of the reader (often with hilarious or depressing results, admittedly).
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 10:12 PM
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23. Cause you been here for longer than...
100 posts on election eve, sorry all just in no mood for any kind of BS.
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XboxWarrior Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 06:40 PM
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17. it's these type of posts....
that sometimes make me cringe...but whatever floats your boat dude!

peace

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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 06:58 PM
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18. not all the cars are exploding. :eyes:
sorry if I mistook your sarcasm for something else, It was not so clear.
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 05:55 PM
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13.  delete
Edited on Sun Nov-05-06 06:30 PM by DiktatrW
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 04:06 PM
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5. Answer: Bush/Cheney Buddies w/No Bid Govt Contracts Got Paid....
.... they have slurped up the public taxpayer dollars by the billions, failed to contribute anything significant required under their contracts, and now are exiting stage left with OUR MONEY having abandoned the tasks they were paid to do.

This part of the occupation of Iraq has gone 'swimmingly' !!!!!
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 04:10 PM
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6. Grrrr...EVERYTHING about this invasion has been successful.
You just have to understand the definition of "success."

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/032706J.shtml

(snip)

Keeping our attention on Iraq has allowed this administration to do what it came to do under cover of darkness. They have managed to eviscerate dozens of federal regulations designed to make sure our children aren't born with gills or seventeen eyes thanks to the pollution in the air, water and food. The Clean Air Act is pretty much gone now, as are requirements for food safety labeling. GOP "pension reform" means growing old in America amounts to growing poor, just like in the good old days of the Depression. Millions of elderly people have been fed to the wolves by way of the new Medicare Plan D calamity. There are now tens of millions more poor people in America, the middle class is evaporating, but top incomes are up 497% according to the Federal Reserve.

The administration has also used Iraq to accomplish a goal the GOP has been pining for since 1934. Since the advent of FDR and the creation of federally-funded safety nets for the neediest Americans, the Goldwater wing of the Republican party has been lusting after an opportunity to savage the government's ability to serve its citizens in this fashion. Their argument has been that it cost too much to do this, required too much taxation, and was harmful to business interests.

This fight raged until the very end of the 20th century. When Bill Clinton stood up during his 1998 State of the Union speech and said "Save Social Security first!" he was actually firing a directed salvo at this wing of the GOP. Look, Clinton was saying, we have trillions of dollars in the bank and the economy is going great guns. We can provide for the neediest among us without bankrupting the government or killing business. In short, he was rendering fiscal conservatives obsolete. He won the argument. Remember this, by the way, the next time someone asks you why he was attacked so viciously.

The Grover Norquist drown-the-government-in-the-bathtub crew, however, had no interest in going gently into that good night. One busted election gave them the chance to do exactly what they have done with Iraq. They have rendered it almost completely impossible for the federal government to pay for programs designed to care for the poor, the sick, the elderly and the needy. The war, the war, we have to pay for the war, to the tune of what will be one to two trillion dollars before all is said and done. Oh, and tax cuts that go to families making more than $200,000 a year, of course.

Bush has also, in the process, managed to put himself even farther above the rule of law. Not long ago, he signed the reauthorization of the Patriot Act. Getting the document to his desk had been a laborious process for Congress; arguments and debates raged across the ideological spectrum as to exactly what kind of firewalls against executive abuse should be put into the bill to protect civil liberties.

Among these additions were a number of oversight provisions to keep the FBI from abusing their power to search homes and seize papers without notifying the resident or presenting a warrant. Other provisions required that officials within the Justice Department maintain tight scrutiny over where, when and how the FBI put these powers to use. One new part of the bill required the administration brief Congress now and again on these specific matters. Congress finally came to an agreement, and on March 9th, Bush signed the Patriot Act reauthorization into law with much fanfare.

After all the worthies had left the room, however, and after all the cameras had gone, Bush quietly put his signature to a "signing statement" that, basically, says anything in the aforementioned law which applies to the president shall be considered null and void. The Boston Globe reported on March 24 that, "In the statement, Bush said that he did not consider himself bound to tell Congress how the Patriot Act powers were being used. Bush wrote: 'The executive branch shall construe the provisions ... that call for furnishing information to entities outside the executive branch ... in a manner consistent with the president's constitutional authority to supervise the unitary executive branch and to withhold information.'"

This was the third time Bush dropped a "signing statement" into an issue of signal importance. When it was revealed that the administration had bypassed the FISA laws in order to conduct surveillance on American citizens, Bush claimed his "wartime powers" gave him the ability to ignore the laws of the land. When Congress passed a law forbidding the torture of any detainee in US custody, Bush issued a signing statement stating that he could bypass the law at his pleasure and torture anyone he damned well pleased.

So, to recap, the "incompetence" thing is nonsense. The Bush boys got paid, got an issue to run on in two elections, put themselves completely and totally above the law on picayune issues like torture and the unauthorized surveillance of American citizens, obliterated the central function of the federal government, and ripped up any and all regulations that would keep their corporate friends from dumping mercury into the river so as to save a few precious pennies on the dollar.

Can anyone still think this was all by accident?

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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 04:29 PM
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7. Well said, Will
They have been actively dismantling every aspect of government that is for the people.
They have removed "civil" from government by going after every effective program, destroying them, then after they have rendered them less or totally ineffective, blaming the for not working.

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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 05:39 PM
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9. The only part of the invasion
that came with a plan. Can you imagine how complete the defeat of Iraq would have been, if only the intent was to actually install the dictator of our choice, as we have so many times before, and focus on that simple plan.

The most pitiful part of their thinking was to overreach the tried and true methods, pure arrogance and ignorance, a dangerous combination.

And it was all due to the inability to tell the truth.

May god forgive them, I wont.

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 05:53 PM
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12. This needs a separate thread
Great post.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 04:32 PM
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8. This was the last hope for Smirk
That Baghdad would not fall until Nov 8. Looks like it will be in under the gun.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 05:58 PM
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14. now now... "Iraq: Bush has a plan, and it's working "
http://atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HK03Ak01.html

So, does the Bush administration have a plan for Iraq, and if so, is it working? The answer to both questions could well be "yes". But it's not a plan that Bush could publicly boast about, despite the
fact that it's working like a charm.

<snip>

Asia Times Online columnist Spengler has pointed out that chaos is probably the best option for the Bush administration, not only in Iraq but in the region (see How I learned to stop worrying and love chaos, March 14, 2006, and Mistah Kurtz, he clueless, May 11, 2004). Mark LeVine writes (The chaos theory in action, April 6, 2004): "It is chaos that makes this whole system possible. Without the chaos, Iraqis would not allow the country to be sold off wholesale, or allow the US troops to remain after the June 30 'transfer' of sovereignty."

A strategy of fomenting chaos makes perfect sense in a twisted sort of way: a stable, autonomous Iraq means oil will be pumped, bringing down international crude prices, and that's the last thing the Bush administration's backers want.

Who are the administration's backers, and who has a hotline to the presidency, via Vice President Dick Cheney? Big Oil. Consider these well-known facts:
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 07:56 PM
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21. IRAQNAM anyone?? nt
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