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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 11:25 AM Original message |
The Dutch propose a ban on wearing burqas |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
1. I never saw anyone in the Netherlands wearing a burqa. |
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Mugu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 11:44 AM Response to Reply #1 |
8. If nobody wears it then it shouldn't be a problem. N/T |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
2. why is it that muslim MEN do not have to cover up? hmmm nt |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 11:37 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. And why don't all men have to be indoors all the time? |
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Katzenjammer (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 12:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
27. It was the same religious-lunatic crap in Israel when Meir was PM |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 12:29 PM Response to Reply #2 |
23. We do... |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
3. The burqa is the only garment |
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Coventina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 11:41 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. You raise some really good points. The safety of the woman is compromised |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 11:45 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. The Netherlands is a free and open society |
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Coventina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 11:49 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Burqas are an extreme form of patriarchal bullshit. |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 12:00 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. How is it oppression if it is being done voluntarily? |
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Coventina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 12:06 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Voluntarily. Yeah, riiiiiight. |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 12:14 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Forcing women to cover their breasts.... |
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Coventina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 12:16 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. I happen to agree with you. Breasts are WAY over-sexualized. |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 01:39 PM Response to Reply #16 |
46. see post 25 |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 03:58 PM Response to Reply #16 |
66. Women are doing us a favor by covering them. It doubles our IQ and prevents slack-jawed drooling |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 12:14 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. I just want to know why you feel a ban is justified |
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Katzenjammer (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 12:55 PM Response to Reply #17 |
26. Burqas are deeply, institutionally insulting to men, for one thing. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 01:56 PM Response to Reply #26 |
51. In a free culture, people are free to insult men, and to do all manner of |
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shimmergal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-18-06 11:04 AM Response to Reply #17 |
86. The thing is.. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 01:38 PM Response to Reply #13 |
44. Is it voluntary to require women to NOT wear them? |
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Katzenjammer (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 03:24 PM Response to Reply #44 |
58. There's an argument for school uniforms to the effect that some things |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 03:29 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. I disagree. I think people should be permitted to be religious nutcases |
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Katzenjammer (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 04:53 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. We're not talking about the religious nutcases, we're talking about those who really don't |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 05:34 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. You can't tell who's doing something they don't want to do in almost |
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Katzenjammer (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-18-06 10:29 AM Response to Reply #70 |
84. Okay, swell. How do you make sure that some women aren't coerced? |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 12:11 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. The interjection of "freedom of choice".... |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 12:51 PM Response to Reply #15 |
25. although in the Netherlands, women's breasts are not considered offensive |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:41 AM Response to Reply #25 |
92. "Offensive" isn't the issue, I don't think, is it? More like sexual, pardon |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 12:59 PM Response to Reply #12 |
28. But is it freedom of choice or is it Dad or Big Brother or Husband |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 01:54 PM Response to Reply #28 |
50. You could ask that question about abortion too. |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 12:19 PM Response to Reply #3 |
19. You make a very good point. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 12:27 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Can I ask your opinion on the abaya? |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 01:06 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. Couldn't agree with you more about "safe clothing" |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 01:16 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. My area of expertise isn't in programming |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 01:38 PM Response to Reply #3 |
42. No kidding. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 02:14 PM Response to Reply #3 |
55. I always think of shrouds, too. nt |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
5. Stupid idea |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 11:43 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. remember they "have to protect the white culture" |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 12:06 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. I've watched interviews with women whom wish to wear the burqa... |
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Parche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
11. burqa |
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justice1 (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
20. Is it really different from a nun who chooses to wear a habit? |
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Coventina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 12:27 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Yes, for a couple of reasons: |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 01:07 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. Girls do not begin wearing burqas until puberty, or an age old enough to know what they want |
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Katzenjammer (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
24. Hurray for the cloggies! Pluralism and a secular social face is the only hope for humanity |
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Amused Musings (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
32. It is more a question of equality than a libertarian "Do What thou |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
33. while i personally think the burka is oppressive , legislating on it is also oppressive |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 01:22 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Agreed. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 01:56 PM Response to Reply #33 |
52. Agreed. Government has no business dictating what you do with |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
35. So the few who wear burqa will be forced to stay inside.... |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 01:32 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. That's the whole point of watching what happens in the Netherlands |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 01:34 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Theo Van Gogh |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 01:37 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. I believe the murder of Pim Fortuyne also played a role in the current |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 01:38 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. LOL! No problem. I'm sure the murder of Pim Fortuyne is playing a role as well. |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 03:18 PM Response to Reply #41 |
56. Volkert van der Graaf is Muslim? |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 03:35 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. Pim Fortuyne's politics were why he was murdered |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 04:56 PM Response to Reply #56 |
68. see 61 |
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Katzenjammer (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:49 AM Response to Reply #36 |
90. "the cultural/religious battles with Islam" |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
38. Sounds like something the Taliban would do. |
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otherlander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 05:52 PM Response to Reply #38 |
73. Yup. |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
39. CRAP: Now I have to unpack EVERYTHING! what will I wear to smoke pot and visit legal hookers? |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
43. I get a perverse satisfaction in seeing Europeans exercise any degree of intolerance like ours |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 03:53 PM Response to Reply #43 |
64. Racism is a huge problem there right now |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 03:57 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. probably because they are getting in-migration for the first time in a thousand or so years. |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-18-06 02:50 AM Response to Reply #65 |
82. Huh? You're kidding, right? |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
45. Are they allowed to drive cars while wearing burqas? |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
47. UPDATE: Ban passed White Culture is now safe |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 01:54 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Sad. |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 03:20 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. Some Dutch sheltered Jews during the Nazi Occupation. |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 03:25 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. I hardly see this as the same thing |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 03:43 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. Both things happened to Anne Frank. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 01:57 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. Good n/t |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-18-06 10:34 AM Response to Reply #47 |
85. It hasn't happened yet. They will consider it but it is not law. |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-18-06 11:09 AM Response to Reply #85 |
88. OK, seemed a bit hard to follow the process |
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951-Riverside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
48. Good I'm for it |
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genie_weenie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
54. We need to invade and stop the Evil Dutch Government. |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
63. I s'pose the nutty Mormon teen-marrying codgers here in the US |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-18-06 11:05 AM Response to Reply #63 |
87. I'm not sure if this can be compared to pedophilia |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-18-06 04:23 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. okay, helderheid, you have the cred -- you lived there... |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
69. Good. Western nations shouldn't put up with sexism, "respect for other cultures" be damned. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 05:35 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. And telling women what they're allowed to wear or not isn't sexism? |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 07:13 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. these women are often forced to wear burkas by thier relatives. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 08:41 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. And since you can't read minds to know who is forced and who is not |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 05:46 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. What about "Girls Gone Wild?" Is that sexism? It is a premier symbol of oppression |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 07:14 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. Nobody is forcing you to watch it. |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 07:24 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. What gives you the right to decide that those women are being "forced to wear them?" |
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DivinBreuvage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-18-06 01:10 AM Response to Reply #76 |
78. It'd be wonderful if the world lived up to your happy fantasy, Ms. Clio |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-18-06 01:43 AM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Yes, and when that happens, a lot more is going on than being forced to wear a piece of clothing |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-18-06 02:00 AM Response to Original message |
80. If we can wear banana hammocks in Muslim countries |
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scrinmaster (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-18-06 02:33 AM Response to Original message |
81. It seems |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-18-06 02:52 AM Response to Original message |
83. Education, not legislation. (nt) |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:40 AM Response to Original message |
91. The Dutch would like to remain Dutch, but now they are seeing, as have |
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