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Onlooker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 09:37 AM Original message |
Maybe we should be pursuing atheism? |
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Coexist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
1. "How does one go about promoting atheism?" |
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atommom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:07 AM Response to Reply #1 |
26. That's the only approach I'd dare use here in Kansas! |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 12:03 PM Response to Reply #26 |
75. Too bad they aren't taught how to spot phonies and frauds |
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atommom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 12:34 PM Response to Reply #75 |
86. Can you imagine? Kansas would be a utopia! |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 11:46 AM Response to Reply #1 |
69. Welcome to DU - watch how it is done at DU and copy the method -the |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 01:58 PM Response to Reply #69 |
131. You forgot "rinse, repeat". |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
2. We need to believe in what we each believe in, and respect each other's |
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savemefromdumbya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 09:55 AM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Religion is a personal thing |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 09:57 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Agreed. |
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Ron Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 12:37 PM Response to Reply #8 |
90. Religion is both a personal and a public thing. |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 09:59 AM Response to Reply #2 |
16. There are people who "believe" that if they kill you, they will spend |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:00 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. And there are people who believe that bringing stuffed animals |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:05 AM Response to Reply #17 |
23. You are providing cover for fundamentalism. |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:15 AM Response to Reply #23 |
35. Whatever you say Blue Eyed son, but again, you prove my point. |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:20 AM Response to Reply #35 |
40. I will only ask you to believe things that i can prove to you with |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 11:53 AM Response to Reply #40 |
72. "words mean what I want them to mean" - I do like "reality-based" LOL |
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smirkymonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 01:37 PM Response to Reply #23 |
111. Hear, hear! |
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calico1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
3. No. Bad idea. |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 09:52 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. WRONG. Atheism is the absence of belief in the supernatural. |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 09:54 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Says you. |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 09:55 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Says Sam Harris. I do agree though. 8^) |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 09:57 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Says you both then. |
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calico1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:01 AM Response to Reply #6 |
19. Excuse me? |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:03 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. No he's not. He's just pointing out how he's somehow "better" than |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:11 AM Response to Reply #21 |
33. Oh, I can feel the love! Is this what your god advocates? |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:16 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. And you sure as heck didn't learn it by being advanced and open |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:21 AM Response to Reply #36 |
41. Cursing is ungodly. And bad manners. |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:06 AM Response to Reply #19 |
25. No, no, no YOU"RE doing it. Hey , you saw what calico just did! |
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calico1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:10 AM Response to Reply #25 |
31. Wow, hope that makes you feel good. |
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Feenicks (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:09 AM Response to Reply #19 |
30. I would jump in here, |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 12:38 PM Response to Reply #19 |
91. Ha. "If you were a free thinker" you'd believe (or not) whatever I do. |
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Epiphany4z (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
4. I am often not sure |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
5. If atheism is 'promoted', does IT not become religion? |
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Onlooker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 09:55 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. No |
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Feenicks (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:38 AM Response to Reply #10 |
50. Ahh, so you have REASON to believe |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:45 AM Response to Reply #50 |
55. I don't think the poster said anything about believing... |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:58 AM Response to Reply #55 |
61. These god people get so defensive! |
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Feenicks (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 11:06 AM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Not at all. |
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Feenicks (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 11:02 AM Response to Reply #55 |
63. You are confusing |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 11:13 AM Response to Reply #63 |
67. Allow the athiest to determine his or her own beliefs... |
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Feenicks (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 11:18 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Okay, semantics thing for me |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 11:49 AM Response to Reply #68 |
71. You're headed in the right direction... |
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enlightenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 12:34 PM Response to Reply #71 |
87. My favorite part of this never-ending debate -- |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 12:49 PM Response to Reply #87 |
95. I couldn't agree more... |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 12:08 PM Response to Reply #67 |
77. I have to disagree with you |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 12:24 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. You're welcome to disagree... |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 12:31 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. Hmmm.... Interesting. |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 12:45 PM Response to Reply #84 |
93. I couldn't tell you what 100 athiests thinks... |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 12:45 PM Response to Reply #80 |
94. interesting |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 12:00 PM Response to Reply #50 |
73. Circular logic is the weapon of the fundie. |
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Feenicks (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 12:15 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. Yes, it can, and I fully acknowledge that belief in God is unreasonable. |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 12:28 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. How is that? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 01:52 PM Response to Reply #10 |
120. Wouldn't "not the same a rejecting the possibility of God" be agnosticism? |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 09:56 AM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Yes. |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:00 AM Response to Reply #11 |
18. Atheism is not a religion. Bald is not a hair color. |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:02 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Pushing one or the other is never a good thing. Don't tread on me |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:18 AM Response to Reply #20 |
38. If religion were not "pushed" on people it would be gone in one |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 12:00 PM Response to Reply #38 |
74. Atheism is a belief system and leads to other such systems |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 12:26 PM Response to Reply #74 |
81. The idea of god is NOT a theory! |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 12:58 PM Response to Reply #81 |
97. God is a theory, hence the whole intelligent design thing |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 01:12 PM Response to Reply #97 |
104. Yet you still misuse the word. |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 01:25 PM Response to Reply #97 |
107. Your misusing the word theory... |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 01:55 PM Response to Reply #107 |
124. never falsified???? "way of predicting future events" and |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 01:52 PM Response to Reply #81 |
121. LOL - I do love setting the rules - or defining the logic to be used -what |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 12:35 PM Response to Reply #74 |
88. Atheism is not a belief system... |
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smirkymonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 01:42 PM Response to Reply #38 |
115. Exactly - how many people would actually become members of |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:06 AM Response to Reply #18 |
24. Wow...I love the bald analogy... |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:08 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. "God is Santa Claus for adults." |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:09 AM Response to Reply #24 |
29. I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:24 AM Response to Reply #29 |
44. Yeah, I've heard those others before... |
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calico1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:03 AM Response to Reply #11 |
22. Exactly. |
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Onlooker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:09 AM Response to Reply #22 |
28. But religion is constantly pushed on us |
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calico1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:14 AM Response to Reply #28 |
34. Hello? I am not pushing anything. |
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Onlooker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:29 AM Response to Reply #34 |
46. Atheism is almost invisible; religion is everywhere |
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calico1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:40 AM Response to Reply #46 |
53. I agree with your point about religion being |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 12:57 PM Response to Reply #53 |
96. Deleted sub-thread |
ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:18 AM Response to Reply #28 |
37. Not by all...Just as not all atheists push their opinion. |
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Hamlette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:47 AM Response to Reply #37 |
58. the point is, there is not room for all of us |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:58 AM Response to Reply #58 |
62. There is. It's just so many on both sides are willing to see themselves |
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Hamlette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 01:56 PM Response to Reply #62 |
127. where did I say I feel persecuted? |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:11 AM Response to Reply #22 |
32. Atheism is not, nor can it be a "religion". Please look up the definition |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:19 AM Response to Reply #32 |
39. But it can be an obsession. One can be obsessed with pushing |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:23 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Ye of 30k+ posts, have i ever mentioned atheism to you before? |
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Onlooker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:41 AM Response to Reply #39 |
54. But religion is everywhere |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:53 AM Response to Reply #54 |
60. About equal. We don't get Jehovah's very often...If I don't go looking |
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bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:47 AM Response to Reply #32 |
57. You can still have a congregation of obnoxious people |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 01:48 PM Response to Reply #11 |
118. LOL Well, somebody got my point. Thank you. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
13. persue mind your own business. i like that best. all get to make |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:33 AM Response to Reply #13 |
48. if 90% of people "mind their business", the other (crazy) 10% will |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:39 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. ah, that is when this old lady will be dancing naked in the streets |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
15. Or Churches could try to solve problems instead of creating laws |
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smirkymonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 01:54 PM Response to Reply #15 |
123. Thank you - a good outline of what religion should be, if it must |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
43. == please read == |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:31 AM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Onlooker, I do not think you are talking about "extremism". |
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Onlooker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:36 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. The problem is ... |
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rpgamerd00d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:40 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. You can teach what needs to be taught without ever using the word atheism |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:53 AM Response to Reply #49 |
59. Oy! Some from-the-hip remarks..... |
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smirkymonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 01:58 PM Response to Reply #47 |
132. That is the crux of this argument I believe: |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 11:49 AM Response to Reply #43 |
70. Well said :-) |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 01:17 PM Response to Reply #43 |
105. Thats Aetheism!!!!!! |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
45. "We" should be pursuing reason, and a reality-based life. |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
56. The Danish cartoons did not depict God |
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Onlooker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 11:07 AM Response to Reply #56 |
65. You can't regulate taste |
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Kazak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
66. I think it was Robert Anton WIlson who said: |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
76. How about we "promote" neither atheism nor religion? |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
78. I'm an atheist, but I think that promoting atheism isn't a good idea |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
83. "Without God, people must do more thinking for themselves..." |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
85. I like what the catholic church said this past week. Real Love is given |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 12:37 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. OMFG! How can they issue a statement like that? |
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applegrove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 01:05 PM Response to Reply #89 |
102. I think they see the danger and are going back to their roots. Still |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
92. people are afraid of that word |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 01:00 PM Response to Reply #92 |
99. You've touched upon one of my biggest beefs... |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 01:00 PM Response to Reply #92 |
100. You are correct sir!!!! |
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Ron Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
98. It would be impossible, and unwise, to promote atheism, because |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
101. "Without God, people must do more thinking for themselves..." |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 01:20 PM Response to Reply #101 |
106. Refresh my memory. |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 01:27 PM Response to Reply #106 |
109. Augustine, for one |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 01:37 PM Response to Reply #109 |
112. Uh, just a sec..... |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 01:57 PM Response to Reply #112 |
130. He was one of the greatest minds of western civilization |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
103. As an atheist, myself, |
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Maraya1969 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
108. Look at Buddhism and other Eastern Religions. Some groups stress |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 01:31 PM Response to Reply #108 |
110. Its not about peace. |
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Ron Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 01:41 PM Response to Reply #110 |
113. Can you really expect life to be entirely rational? |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 01:44 PM Response to Reply #113 |
117. Yes, I can |
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Ron Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 01:56 PM Response to Reply #117 |
126. I disagree that it has been nothing else that has "solved the mysteries of |
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Inland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
114. How about actually BEING good instead of being [put group here] |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 01:49 PM Response to Reply #114 |
119. Well said :-) |
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calico1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 01:53 PM Response to Reply #114 |
122. Excellent! n/t |
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Pacifist Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
116. I hadn't realized it had been awhile. |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
125. Not atheism, just existentialism. |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
128. Here's a book that deals with the concepts of reason vs. faith: |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
129. You're creating a false dichotomy |
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LeftCoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-02-06 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
133. Locking |
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