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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 02:23 PM
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If troops leave Iraq, will Iraqis undo pro-oil corporation constitution and hydrocarbon law?
A couple of recent articles have indicated that the surge is about putting pressure on Iraqi leaders (or at least holding onto control) until they pass the hydrocarbon law that will put most of the profits in the oil companies hands. Similar work was already done on the Constitution.

My question is regardless of the procedural obstacles the Bushies tried to build into the Iraqi political system, once the troops are gone, what is to prevent them from tearing up those laws and that constitution?

George Bush has clearly done this with our compliance with the Geneva and Hague Conventions which have been in place for decades and a century respectively.

Further, after being run out of the country, how exactly would Bush or his successor twist their arm to keep that constitution, law, and oil concessions to his cronies at ExxonMobil, ChevronTexaco, ConocoPhillips, BP, et al?

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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 02:24 PM
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1. I think they will get rid of everything that smacks of the U.S.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 02:33 PM
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2. Maliki has signed on to the escalation.
I wonder what he's been promised.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 02:35 PM
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3. Condo in Florida or at worst Saudi after bugout.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 02:36 PM
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4. or at the compound Bush bought in South America for retired war criminals.
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 02:36 PM
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5. I believe the oil companies are going to hire their own mercernary armies to protect their oil
and any changes that may come up after those oil contracts are signed will be fought in court and in reality on the ground.

But I would guess the chaos in Iraq will ensure that any future government is going to be so weak for so long that the government is going to be virtually powerless, as well as hugely corrupt - just the way big oil likes 'em.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 03:00 PM
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9. We need something like Geneva Convention for mercenaries but treat way Bush does enemy combatants
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 02:50 PM
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6. I think the permanent bases..
situated close enough to protect business interests are going to take care of the hereafter.
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 03:19 PM
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14. I would bet big oil will go with mercs rather than US combat troops.
I'm sure the US troops will step in when they have to to ensure big oil keeps flowing but I'd gamble big oil will use their mercs to try to keep anti-US sabotage to a minimum (if they can - we have royally ramped up anti-US sentiment to pretty much a fever pitch).

But I completely agree 110% - those bases are there to ensure big oil keeps the tap running.

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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 02:56 PM
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7. That's why we're never leaving Iraq.....
that's why we've built all of those nice bases over there and the biggest Embassy in the world. If anyone thinks that the U.S. isn't going to have a permanent presence in Iraq they'd better think twice. We're there to stay, one way or another.

Oh, and all that bullshit about a free, democratic, sovereign Iraq with purple fingers and all........it's just that-bullshit. They'll do what the Bushies tell them to do or we'll topple any government they currently have and install a more "agreeable" one. Really. The Iraqis will never have a government free from U.S. intervention as long as Bush is in the White House. Or any other Republican for that matter. Or a select number of Democrats with the initials, "Joe Lieberman". :eyes:
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 02:58 PM
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8. I think a few more than just Joe would do the same job though I hope they aren't majority of Dems
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CrazyOrangeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 03:02 PM
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10. Yes.
There'll always be troops in Iraq.

There was never any intention of leaving Iraq.

Might as well re-name it to Halliburtonia.



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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 03:15 PM
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12. maybe we should pass a law that whenever we have more than 30,000 troops in a country...
the people there get to vote in a referendum: either they become our next state or our troops pull out.

I don't think we'd have too many foreign bases that way.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 03:05 PM
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11. I hope so n/t
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 03:15 PM
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13. Possible.
That's why more people have to die and be lied to.
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Broadslidin Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 04:36 PM
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15. Simply by operating out of the new U.S. Empire Alamo: Embassy Baghdad
Edited on Sun Jan-14-07 04:44 PM by Broadslidin
Happiness is:
Never Having To Venture :hide: Into The Nasty "Red Zone"!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12319798



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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 04:40 PM
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16. In a nanosecond.
Keep your troops there and they WILL take them out eventually unless you pull your nuke card. And so it goes.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 01:06 AM
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17. Karenina--are you a child of Tolstoy?
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 07:27 AM
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18. Only my hairdresser
knows for sure. ;-) :hi:
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