Attack Iran/ Iran gets Nukes and by there own words

[Don_1967]

wipes Israel off of the map.What should the U.S. & Israel do ? Diplomacy would be a good thing but I don't see that happing and would not be a real answer since all parties refuse to talk and Iran denial of the Holocaust is just a ploy to incite Israel or they are real dumb asses.

[European Socialist]

1. Yup, An attack on Iran brings about the nukes you are trying to avoid.

[Sir Jeffrey]

2. Yeah this is what I find most amusing...

George is not only saddling me and my young child with massive debt that will have to paid off by us long after his pathetic ass is gone but also saddling us with a guaranteed true nuclear threat from Iran in 20 years.

[wakeme2008]

5. I would BET money Iran already have nuclear bombs they brought

from other countries.

[Sir Jeffrey]

19. Evidence? Link?

Is the IAEA issuing reports that they are being denied access to enrichment sites?

Israeli intelligence isn't saying what you are saying. John Negroponte didn't say what you are saying.

Negroponte says ten years minimum even if they are actively pursuing nukes, which there is no evidence anywhere saying otherwise. Sy Hersh's accounts of conversations with the intelligence community say that there is no evidence of anything other than peaceful enrichment.

[No Exit]

3. Pure, unadulterated, BULLSHIT.

Which country has invaded another country as recently as July, 2006? Not Iran. Tell me the last time Iran invaded another country.

By its own prime minister's words, Israel has nukes. In fact, it has LOTS of nukes. It is still in dispute whether Iran can even have ONE lousy nuke by 2010.

Iran has been surrounded by us--and we are supposedly a great superpower. Iran has been repeatedly threatened by us and by Israel. Are they supposed to just be a sitting duck?

And even if Israel were threatened, why is it always OUR obligation to give the BLOOD OF OUR CHILDREN to protect it? I refuse.

And why have so many Israelis directed OUR foreign policy--as they continue to do today with their encouragement of the escalation, and with their constant orders to attack Iran--when the AMERICAN PEOPLE (including most Jewish Americans) do NOT wish to continue the Iraq war, and do NOT wish to start a war with Iran? We now have no voice in the matter, it seems.

If Iran is rattling the saber, it is only in response to OUR and Israel's continual, neverending, threats to bomb and invade Iran. Not to mention our refusal to even talk to them.

Since you are eager that we "attack Iran", I want to see YOU on the front lines when we attack.

[Don_1967]

4. I am not calling for and attack on Iran

but I do believe that there will be an attack the only question is who will start it. As you point out Israel has nukes if Iran gets nukes there could very well be a nuclear war with out the U.S. firing a shot!

[Lerkfish]

9. spellchecker is your friend! I'm series111!

[thoughtanarchist]

6. Some invalid assumptions here...

1) by "there own words" (I'll let the grammar thing slide) if you get a direct and properly translated transcript of the speech you are referring to, the Iranian President actually said something to the effect of --If Israel does not stop it's oppressive policies toward Palestine, the Palestinians will not rest until Israel is wiped off the face of the map. -- My source: Scott Ritter, former US marine and former Iraq weapons inspector.

2) "all parties refuse to talk" False. Armadinijiad (sinc) has made numerous efforts to reach out. It is Bush* that refuses to talk. To any party that would require the use of diplomacy. Anywhere.

3) "a ploy to incite Israel" -- That is possible. It does not seem to be uncommon in the current atmosphere in the M.E. That does not mean Iran, even an Iran with nuke technology, presents an imminent threat to the US. In fact, Iran is in full compliance with the global nuclear nonproliferation act. Are we?

[Don_1967]

8. Please give me a source where Iran wanting to sit down and talk to Isreal

[thoughtanarchist]

10. Iran wanted to sit down and talk to US.

The relationship between Iran and Israel is really none of our business. That is why the UN was established.

[Don_1967]

12. Not us but Israel

[thoughtanarchist]

17. How does that matter?

Your OP was slanted to portray Iran as an imminent threat to both the US and Israel. I assert that it is not. What is the point of asking if Iran is requesting talks with Israel? Is Israel requesting talks with Iran?

[Lerkfish]

20. precisely the point I was going to make: is Isreal seeking peace with anyone?

I have seen no evidence to support that, yet I do see plenty to the contrary.

[thoughtanarchist]

21. Most of the leaders in the region are rattling sabers...

It's not just Israel and Iran. I think it's partially a cultural thing, and partly that they are all scared shitless that there is a western army massed in Iraq that seems poised to sweep the crescent.

That is yet another reason why our presence is hurting, not helping the effort to bring stability to the M.E.

[Sir Jeffrey]

22. Here is one source

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1150355517833

"Officials in US President George W. Bush's administration turned down a 2003 Iranian offer to begin talks with the US, recognize Israel, and end support of Palestinian terror organizations, The Washington Post reported on Sunday.

The proposal, which arrived via fax along with a letter of authentication by a Swiss ambassador, was ignored. Reports have circulated in the past that Iran had extended its hand to the US, but the document itself was only recently obtained by the Post - reportedly from Iranian sources - and confirmed as genuine by both American and Iranian officials."

This was also discussed at length in Sy Hersh's book "Chain of Command", which I would recommend you read front to back.

Recognition of Israel by Iran would have significant and positive repercussions throughout the middle east. They were basically proposing to do the same thing Egypt did a few decades ago. Bush told them to get lost.

[thoughtanarchist]

23. Good one. Bookmarked. n/t

[Lerkfish]

7. not sure of your point, exactly.

you're avocating starting a war on Iran because they're dumbasses?

under that criteria, we should have been invaded several times in the last 6 years

[Don_1967]

11. For the second time I am not calling for an attack on Iran

my point is the U.S. doesn't have to do anything and there could be a nuclear war between Iran & Israel.

[Lerkfish]

13. having a hard time getting your point across, then.

it sounded like you felt Iran has it comin.

did I misinterpret that sentiment?

[thoughtanarchist]

14. If you can call it that...

when Israel nukes Iran and Iran is only capable of responding with conventional weapons, I suppose technically you could call it a nuclear war.

Are you of the opinion that the US needs to interject militarily?

[Don_1967]

16. NO

everyone is talking about Bush might attack Iran.I am saying that no one seems concerned that a war could start and we could find our forces in the middle. If Iran were to be attacked radiation could get to our troops who most likely does not have protection.

[thoughtanarchist]

18. He does seem to want to attack Iran

The raid on the Iranian consulate in Iraq makes this evident.

Luckily, we have a congress led by the democratic party.

[Norquist Nemesis]

15. Why does "wipe off the map" always translate to nukes?

Just give Ahmenijinidad (sp) a map and pencil eraser. He's crazy enough to think he's accomplished his goal and problem solved!