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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 07:29 PM
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Aaugh! Tweety's words: 'mensch' and 'MENSCHDOM'
Who TF does he think he is?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 07:34 PM
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1. What's wrong with that?

Mensch (Yiddish מענטש; also mentsch, mentsh, mensh, or mench, plural - mentchen) is a German noun meaning a "human".

In Yiddish (from which the word has migrated into American English), mensch roughly means "a good person." A "mensch" is a particularly good person, like "a stand-up guy," a person with the qualities one would hope for in a dear friend or trusted colleague. According to author and Yiddish popularist Leo Rosten,

mensch is a someone to admire and emulate, someone of noble character. The key to being "a real mensch" is nothing less than character, rectitude, dignity, a sense of what is right, responsible, decorous. (Rosten, Leo. 1968. The Joys of Yiddish. New York: Pocket Books. 237)
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 07:38 PM
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3. Thank you for this. Growing up with my parents slipping in Yiddish words I knew
from early on that saying someone was a mensch was one of the greatest compliments you could say about them.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 07:40 PM
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5. I'm a native NYer and heard Yiddish words all my life, too,
though I'm not Jewish. Where WOULD I be without 'oy vey'! :)
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 07:42 PM
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6. laughing here! Doesn't it feel great to say that? It's a great energy release! eom
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 07:39 PM
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4. Yeah..uh-huh.
Edited on Fri Jan-19-07 07:42 PM by PCIntern
I grew up in a household where 40% of the language spoken by my parents was Yiddish. People saying phrases like: "putzing around" are an anathema to us - it's a misuse of the language - there is no such phrase and where TF does 'Menschdom' come from?. He comes out with this sruff like he's a member of the tribe and is so uncomfortable in the use that you have to wonder what he's up to.

Just let me say: I find Tweety an abomination. I know some here don't feel that way and he's converting, as some say, on the Cross right now. Suddenly, he's all for checks and balances. Screw him.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 08:42 PM
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10. "Putzing" is a Yiddish word?
Who knew Yiddish had a present progressive suffix '-ing'?

Otherwise 'putz' was borrowed into English, and at that point is an English word. As long as what we do with it conforms to English grammar, it's ok. We have a singular 'tamale' (Span. says 'tamal'). We treat agenda as a singular (when it's a plural), and make 'agendas' its (new) English plural. We don't insist on the plural of 'professor' being 'professores'. (We still follow the source language's rules for a few things. Blond(e) or emeritus/i/a/ae.)

We do the same with 'mensch'. I must say, though, "mensch-hood" sounds better to my ears ... writing it is a bit of a bear.

Just the way speakers borrow words from other languages. You wouldn't want to see what Russian does ... and Arabic? Oy, 'bank' has the Arabic plural 'bunuuk'.
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badgerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 09:26 PM
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13. ...and UP from the nebulous pool of trivia...
...was it Arabic that the term 'bankrupt' came from?

I seem to remember it as originally meaning 'bench-broke'...when in the marketplace the stall or bench where you did your dealings was broken up by your unhappy customers and creditors...
:shrug::freak:
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 07:34 PM
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2. He's a putz.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 07:44 PM
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7. Putz-deluxe.
A real phony: says he's from Philly constantly, is reviled here. Says he worked for Tip O'Neill and then blasts the Dems.

A real schmegeggy.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 08:23 PM
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8. He's also a schmuck.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 08:36 PM
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9. The 'putz' part is just a cover
He's really a nebbish.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 08:45 PM
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11. The word is Menschheit
Edited on Fri Jan-19-07 08:47 PM by JVS
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 08:52 PM
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12. Yes and the other word is
Shithead.

Tweety is just an insufferable shithead.
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