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meganmonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:06 PM Original message |
We Are Going to War with Iran |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
1. Yes, I believe we are. |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
2. If we do, I fear what side China and Russia will take...(WWIII) |
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951-Riverside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. They will take Bush's side |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:35 PM Response to Reply #5 |
22. "a brown nation such as Iran" ?!?!? |
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951-Riverside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:44 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. I usually see these things as Browns Vs. Whites |
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meganmonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:41 PM Response to Reply #5 |
25. You have got to be kidding |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:18 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. This AP article isn't sounding too promising: |
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Kierkegaard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
17. Reasonable fear, in my estimation. |
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Strelnikov_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
18. Neutral. I Think Paul Craig Roberts Nailed It |
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EuroObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 02:22 PM Response to Reply #18 |
37. That (Eurasian) approach does appear to be realistic n/t. |
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BeHereNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 04:39 PM Response to Reply #18 |
64. There is a distinction to be made here- |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 11:26 PM Response to Reply #64 |
101. The "New World Order" is feudal, with corporate owners being the new lords |
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Labalanza (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 12:34 PM Response to Reply #101 |
135. great tool to research these players: |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 12:47 PM Response to Reply #135 |
136. You are right, this is a great tool. Thanks for posting it. nt |
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BeHereNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 06:39 PM Response to Reply #101 |
137. Agree with you 100%. |
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EVDebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 12:03 AM Response to Reply #18 |
106. World economy's GDP is $36 Trillion with US at $12 Trillion annual |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 10:04 PM Response to Reply #2 |
95. I share your concern |
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atommom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
3. This is really getting serious. Please, let's make some noise. |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
4. Sadly, I believe we will bomb Iran in 1yr- I do not expect an invasion. |
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tatertop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:17 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. They will fight back. Once the battle is joined all hell will break loose |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 04:01 PM Response to Reply #7 |
53. Iran never agrees until the cliff is reached and you begin your jump |
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tatertop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 04:10 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Looking like it ain't gonna matter |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 06:00 PM Response to Reply #53 |
75. There will be no agreement. They're calling our bluff, not the other |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 10:45 PM Response to Reply #75 |
99. I disagree as to who is bluffing - but I agree that no one wins |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 06:11 AM Response to Reply #99 |
114. You ignore the fact that the FBI busted OSP-AIPAC, and WHIG is under |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 07:37 AM Response to Reply #114 |
116. I hope you are correct - The White House Iraq Group (WHIG) investigation |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 07:59 AM Response to Reply #116 |
118. Who do you think is behind the fabricated WMD campaigns? |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 08:22 AM Response to Reply #118 |
119. Mossad on Iraq told us "no Iraq WMD" - the bad intel flows from our WH |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 09:11 AM Response to Reply #119 |
127. More . . . |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 10:52 AM Response to Reply #127 |
132. I agree - with just about everything - my bet is neo-con w/rogue Likud |
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EVDebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 12:04 PM Response to Reply #127 |
134. Leveymg, with Christian Zionists inside the WH you don't really need |
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tatertop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
6. I think it's way too late to stop this |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 06:04 PM Response to Reply #6 |
77. Invade Iraq - snicker, yes. War with Iran - deadly silence. |
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tatertop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 07:04 PM Response to Reply #77 |
83. Bush does not care about the consequences |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 08:55 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. Then, a coup may be necessary if he's not |
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tatertop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 09:27 PM Response to Reply #86 |
92. I am wondering how this is all to work out |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 09:25 AM Response to Reply #92 |
129. My expectations of the Dem leadership are also pretty modest |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
9. I hope you're wrong. |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
10. My grandmother came to America to escape genocide. |
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bush_is_wacko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
11. I agree, we are on the brink of WWIII! When we bomb Iran the |
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tjwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:27 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. It's not the moslems we need to worry about. |
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bush_is_wacko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:45 PM Response to Reply #15 |
28. I understand all about the China and Russia connections. China though |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 03:52 PM Response to Reply #15 |
52. it is the military / industrial complex that owns the dems+gop |
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Kierkegaard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 02:03 PM Response to Reply #11 |
29. That is a question for which I've been awaiting an answer. |
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meganmonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 02:06 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. I don't know, but the vote the other day was 404 to 4 |
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Kierkegaard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 02:12 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Why bother to get a vote when you don't have to? |
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FatDave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 05:41 PM Response to Reply #32 |
74. "figure out some legal loophole" |
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tjwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
12. This war will be fought here on American soil... |
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meganmonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:36 PM Response to Reply #12 |
23. Thanks for your links an input, tjwash |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:41 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. Pretty |
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tjwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 02:28 PM Response to Reply #24 |
38. Unfortunately... |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 05:27 PM Response to Reply #38 |
70. The US |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 08:29 AM Response to Reply #70 |
120. The "threat" of Iran is exagerated |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 12:36 AM Response to Reply #38 |
109. Where your post gets silly |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 02:37 PM Response to Reply #12 |
39. I also feel the next big war will be fought here on this soil. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 05:28 PM Response to Reply #39 |
71. Please elaborate (nt) |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 08:42 AM Response to Reply #39 |
122. Any warfare against us will be assymytrical |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 10:29 AM Response to Reply #122 |
130. Were we not invade by 21 hijackers, imagine 500 cells. |
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Dunedain (335 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 01:48 AM Response to Reply #12 |
111. Nope |
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gordianot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
13. The Reagan administration studied the possibility of a limited nuclear war |
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HeeBGBz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 05:00 PM Response to Reply #13 |
67. Yeah, I think they are itching to use a nuke just to see what happens |
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gordianot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 08:51 PM Response to Reply #67 |
84. T.REX that's great. |
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HeeBGBz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 09:15 PM Response to Reply #84 |
91. They hold up well |
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tatertop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 09:32 PM Response to Reply #67 |
93. Yes, I think they have nukes on the brain |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 10:07 PM Response to Reply #13 |
96. Armageddon is contrary to corporate interests. |
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GOPS Worst Fear (384 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
14. What are they going to fight with? |
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meganmonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 02:04 PM Response to Reply #14 |
30. Bombs, not troops, at least to start |
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file83 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 12:15 AM Response to Reply #14 |
108. It's chilly in here, I think I feel a DRAFT... |
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confludemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
16. ...in which we will be defeated |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
19. It is inevitable.. |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:35 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Please tell about these people "who know" |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
20. world war III |
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DemInDistress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
26. didn't that scumbag in our Whitehouse say few yrs.ago |
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Wordie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
31. K&R! Sign the petition to stop this madness, in ActivistHQ, here: |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
33. It has already been decided - Yes we are going to attack Iran |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 04:29 PM Response to Reply #33 |
62. And I seriously doubt that "nuclear installations" |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
34. Did you see this Megan? |
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meganmonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 02:22 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Oh, man |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 02:40 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. I just can not believe that after the Iraq debacle |
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tatertop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 02:44 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. That's the part I don't get |
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BelgianMadCow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 05:23 PM Response to Reply #43 |
68. "they know this invasion is based on lies" |
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Pharaoh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 03:09 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. Yes::: Fucking marbles have been lost or misplaced |
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Dangerman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
41. Remember kids... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
42. Megan, you know my focus is Diebold certification right now |
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meganmonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 03:05 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. Honey, the only action I think would work |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 04:06 PM Response to Reply #47 |
54. Well, I'm still here and still willing. |
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wake.up.america (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
44. Just imagine. You live in America, can't stand Bush, you join the... |
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brainshrub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
45. We are not going to war with Iran. |
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meganmonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 02:58 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. You can post that a hundred times |
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brainshrub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 03:28 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Anything is possible. |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 03:34 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Especially with Bushler in charge |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 03:47 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. I don't think you are correct on this brainshrub |
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brainshrub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 04:09 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. The system is based on the Petrodollar, and the US is checkmated. |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 04:25 PM Response to Reply #55 |
61. I agree... but BushCo doesn't care about the U.S. Economy |
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meganmonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 04:47 PM Response to Reply #55 |
65. This goes waaaay beyond concern for the US economy |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 04:18 PM Response to Reply #51 |
60. China will kill any UN response - and is already getting Iranian oil gifts |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 04:13 PM Response to Reply #45 |
59. China would be the winner |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 11:22 AM Response to Reply #45 |
133. Great post, brainshrub |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 04:12 PM Response to Original message |
57. DRAFT... |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
58. Ask the politicians and the people, WITH WHICH MILIATARY |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 05:25 PM Response to Reply #58 |
69. You're thinking ground troops. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 05:30 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. Correct |
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Mich Otter (887 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
63. I was told... |
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meganmonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 04:49 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Seymour Hersh has been saying it for over a year |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 06:02 PM Response to Reply #66 |
76. Yes, he has. The New Yorker is one of our last bastioins |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
73. none of this was ever about nukes. it's about oil. period. |
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threadkillaz (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
78. Here's more fuel for the fire. |
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
79. The africaasia.com story has "expired" |
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meganmonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 06:51 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Yes, and almost none from US sources |
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 06:59 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. My Rep, Capuano, was one of four who voted "present" instead of |
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Terran1212 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 06:21 PM Response to Original message |
80. Just make Americans fearful and bombs will drop |
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Prisoner_Number_Six (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
85. Nope, there will be no war. |
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Jamnt (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
87. Your last sentence says it all. |
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ramblin_dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
88. Is there no state that would contemplate secession |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 09:06 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. been there |
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ramblin_dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 10:23 PM Response to Reply #90 |
97. What a silly reply |
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Harald Ragnarsson (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 02:14 AM Response to Reply #97 |
112. We need something like this to happen to have a chance |
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gozer13 (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 09:05 PM Response to Original message |
89. Huh? |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 08:57 AM Response to Reply #89 |
124. The worst thing concerning "nuclear" |
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Harald Ragnarsson (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
94. Don't even bother writing Congress |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
98. FOR GOD SAKES: DO BOTHER WRITING CONGRESS !! |
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Media_Lies_Daily (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
100. OPEC has 11 member-nations...NeoCons want to control them all.... |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 11:33 PM Response to Original message |
102. All this talk about nukular weapons... |
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nolabels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 11:53 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. Yea Georgie boy, you one big hero, you flight suit man |
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Stand and Fight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 11:45 PM Response to Original message |
103. Kicked and recommended. Proud to be #29. n/t |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-20-06 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
104. Megan - you coming in for the April protest in NYC |
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meganmonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 07:51 AM Response to Reply #104 |
117. Hey Lynne |
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file83 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 12:10 AM Response to Original message |
107. If we do go to war with Iran, then it's the beginning of the END. |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 01:30 AM Response to Original message |
110. i read on DU a couple of weeks ago |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 06:57 PM Response to Reply #110 |
138. A year ago the target date was June 2005. |
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Nothing Without Hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 03:08 AM Response to Original message |
113. Not only do the Bushies want war with Iran, they have been working |
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KnaveRupe (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 07:09 AM Response to Original message |
115. Grats, MM! |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 08:33 AM Response to Original message |
121. We have no troops to go to war with Iran, but I'm convinced |
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ninjaterrorist (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 08:43 AM Response to Reply #121 |
123. nuking iran is the worst possible option ever |
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meganmonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 08:59 AM Response to Reply #123 |
125. Welcome to DU, ninjaterrorist! |
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Patiod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
126. I wondered why Faux News has been hyping Iran lately.. |
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Snivi Yllom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
128. the medias whores were to busy covering Cheney |
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No Exit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-21-06 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
131. Megan, some--maybe most--of us are listening, but some (such as |
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