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lanah Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 02:00 AM
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Former NSA Lawyer : Bush Committed a Crime
Former NSA Lawyer Jonathan Turley at the NSA Hearing
rtsp://video.c-span.org/project/ter/ter012006_spying.rm

Bush Committed a Crime MP3
http://www.archive.org/download/illegal_spying/nsa_hearing1-turley.mp3

President Bush has for many years asserted authority that is both absolute and in my view, quite dangerous.

In August 2002, there was the infamous torture memo, put out by the justice department, that stated that the President could indeed order gov’t officials to violate federal law. In fact, that memo said that imposing a limitation on his ability to conduct exercises that constitute torture would be a constitutional infringement on his authority.

The President also claimed authority to unilaterally declare a citizen an enemy combatant, to strip him entirely of his constitutional rights, including the right of access to counsel.

On Dec 30th 2005, the President signed the torture bill and he used a “signing statement”- reserving the right to violate that law. Now we know that there is an NSA operation based on the same extreme theory of Presidential power.

The problem with these claims is that they are devoid of any limiting principles. They place this country on a slippery slope that inevitably leads to a maximum leader.

I read the document put out by the Dept of Justice and I’ve changed my testimony to address that document. Frankly what is most remarkable is not the sweeping claims of authority, but the conspicuous lack of authority to support those claims.

The Supreme Court has rejected the very claims being made by the President with regard to the NSA operation, it is in direct contradiction of FISA.

Now I want to be absolutely clear, what the President ordered in this case was a crime. Now we can debate whether he had a good or bad motivation, but it was a crime.

The federal law makes it clear- you cannot engage in this type of domestic surveillance without comitting a crime.

We can debate the wisdom of that, we can debate why the President may have done it, but in my view, the President committed a crime, and we have to deal with that as citizens. And unfortunately, you have to deal with that as members of Congress.

It strikes an alarming circumstance when the President can go into a press conference and announce that he has violated a federal statute 30 times, and promises to continue to do so until someone stops him. That is the most remarkable admission that I have ever heard from a President of the United States…

I was shocked at what I saw , I was convinced the judge would sign anything that we put in front of him, and I wasn’t entirely sure that he actually read what we put in front of him. But I remember going back to my supervisor at NSA and saying that place scared the daylights out of me. And my supervisor said, “you know what, it is scary, but we’re here. We won’t let a president exceed his authority.”

Well, this president has exceeded his authority.

Under FISA there are three exceptions that allow in one case, to engage in surveillance and proceed later to get approval.

The suggestion that, “time is of the essence”, is a ludicrous one.

I’ll just remind this instutition of it’s duty. Despite any affiliation to the President, it’s Congress duty to protect it’s authority.

What’s at stake is not a president that has committed a crime- it’s much more serious than that. What’s at stake is a president who is committing a crime under the pretense of legality, he says he has the authority to do that.

Very few members have faced this type of test of faith, but you’re facing it now. And as citizens and as members, it’s now up to us, we’re called to account. For the many benefits that we have gotten from this system, we’re called to account to do something.
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 02:09 AM
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1. Welcome to DU lanah, and thank you for posting that. It reminds me of
just how close we are to the end.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 03:42 AM
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2. to the end of the world as in being raptured through and because of bush's
stupidty? or, the end as in the end of democracy and the beginning of the most ruthless police state no one ever dreamed of in these united states, except the bastard bushes all?

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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 11:09 AM
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12. I was thinking more along the lines of the police state.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 04:02 AM
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3. Turley is a patriot, and much needed now.
:patriot:
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 05:21 AM
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4. Our nation stands on the edge of an abyss, will we step back or
do the unthinkable?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 05:24 AM
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5. Welcome to DU, lanah.
:hi:
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lanah Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 12:57 PM
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15. thank you
been lurking too long
;-)
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 06:42 AM
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6. Jonathan Turley is not afraid to tell the truth.
He is indeed a Patriot.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 07:05 AM
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7. Here are more of Turley's opinions...
http://www.jonathanturley.com/

I think he's right about everything.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 07:10 AM
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8. Rethugs and most Dems in Congress are complicit in the...
Neo Fascist takeover of Amerika and refuse to take action upon their oath of office.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 07:28 AM
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9. Cowards!
Scared, or paid off? What would the founding fathers think of that sorry crew of unpatriotic people in congress. The GOPers are the worst because they are still in lockstep covering up Bush's crimes!
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Peggy Day Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 10:08 AM
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10. Maybe blackmailed
What good is a spy organization if you can't spy on your enemies or political rivals?
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 10:24 AM
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11. Remember, this is the same guy who said Clinton was imeachable
I believe they consulted Turley to see if perjury was an impeachable offense. Turley said it was.

So, let them try to discredit Turley as "partisan".
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lanah Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 11:47 AM
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13. Senator Church
This also came up at Conyer's hearing on illegal wiretapping...



Now would be a great time for John Conyers to hold a press conference with his witnesses from the hearing and stand up and support Feingold with facts and evidence. Then play a clip of Bush stating that LEGAL wiretapping requires a court order "nothing has changed" and then him admitting that he is illegally wiretapping and will continue to do so. The press would not be able to ignore it.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 11:48 AM
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14. Not "committed"...
... "is committing and has committed".

:)
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lanah Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-19-06 04:40 PM
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16. Anyone with tech knowledge and time on their hands?
We need to burn this hearing to DVD and give a copy to all of our senators and congresspeople.

They seem to be living in a bubble and someone needs to wake them up.
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