CNN: - WOOHOO! No longer any reason to be angry at God!

[Atman]

CNN has some guy on talking about the recent finding that prayer does nothing to help heal the sick. Dude says it's a good thing, because now people don't have to be angry with God when a loved one dies.

I guess they'll be able to re-direct their rage towards the hospitals and doctors now, where it belongs! :eyes:

Oh, God.

[displacedtexan]

1. How does this guy know that God's answer wasn't NO?

Hm? Just asking.

[Christa]

6. back to the 64 million dollar question

if it is in his power to say yes or no, why the heck even bother praying :eyes:

[RaleighNCDUer]

2. And he says it's a good thing to know that

HE'S NOT LISTENING!!!!

I'm sure the religionists will find great comfort in that.

[jedicord]

3. Didn't you know that Death is the commander-in-chief of the

war on Christians? Thanks to him, there will still be plenty of chances to be mad at God!

[benburch]

4. WOW. That ought to win some award for skewed logic. nt

[goclark]

5. I read that report and can't be supportive

of telling people what they need to NOT do when they want to believe and have hope.

I can't recall any one of my friends or relatives that got mad at GOD for Katrina or anything else they prayed about--- they sure as hell were mad at Brownie and the Bush crooks.

[greyl]

12. Is there a way for me to convince you that real hope is better than

false hope? :)

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

7. It has to apply the other way around, of course.

Case in point: my daughter. She was going to come by normal delivery. All seemed right, but she seemed to have some difficulty coming out after the tip of her head showed.

The doctor, being highly skilled and experienced, immediately said, "She's stuck. Let's cut her out." And a C-section it became.

It turns out the umbilical chord was making TWO turns around her neck. Had the doctor hesitated for another minute or so, she could have sustained brain damage due to lack or oxygenation -- or died.

One of my neighbors has a girl the same age of my daughter, who wasn't so lucky. The poor child had her oxygen cut for a few seconds during birth for similar reasons. She's the sweetest girl and otherwise healthy, but at 5, already noticeably slower than her kindergarten classmates. :cry:

Who saved my daughter from the same fate? God? No, a HUMAN BEING did. An exceptional human being, hell-bent on saving lives, to which I will be eternally grateful. The merit is hers. ALL hers.

Here's do Dr. O. :toast: May all Ob Gyns be like her.

[BlackHeart]

8. Thank God

that He gave that doctor the ability to save your little girl.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

9. I wish he could have saved my neighbor's too.

I guess the supply of surgery skills in Heaven was running low at the time. Maybe they had less faith than us. (THAT would be a feat)

[BlackHeart]

11. You could see my sarcasm huh?

If bad thing 'A' happens to Joe and Bob, but Bob comes out of it ok and Joe is permanently disabled. It must be safe to assume that God loves Bob more than Joe. (more sarcasm)

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

21. Believe it or not... no!

It was beautifully subtle. Do you happen to be a writer for landoverbaptist.org or similar? :thumbsup:

[Bigmack]

15. ...and the family with the damaged child...?

Should BLAME god?

Life is a crapshoot! Good people have bad things happen to them and bad people prosper.

There A'IN'T NO PLAN!

If there was a plan, the words "Pediatric" and "Oncology" would never be written together.

[jody]

13. Agree re Dr. O and who says God is a "he" as do replies to this thread? nt

[BlackHeart]

16. I wondered how long it would take

me to piss off a feminist. Sorry.

God in His/Her/It's infinite wisdom....

[soothsayer]

17. Kids born like that are supposed to be shamans (if they survive).

Keep your eye on that slow one, she'll prolly be a great healer.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

20. YOU consult with her. (And be sure to pay money, they could use it)

I'd rather stick with the Big Evil Western Medicine method. It has worked wonderfully for us so far.

[rox63]

10. Ok...

...Who's going to tell the Christian Scientists? :yoiks:

[leftofthedial]

14. gawdjeezis doesn't do shit if you want to win the lottery either

in fact, gawdjeezis may as well not exist at all for all the fucking good he/she/it is.

[Atman]

18. Yeah, he can't help Rawanda, but he's there when a rapper wins a Grammy

Or a football player scores the winning TD.

God loves you, but he'll take your loved ones in horrible ways, then make you burn in hell if you diss him.

I'll pass.

[Bill McBlueState]

19. want some skewed logic?

From USA Today:

In the largest study to examine the effects of {prayer} ... heart-bypass patients ... who were told that study volunteers were praying for them were actually more likely to suffer a medical complication.

Mark Coppenger, a professor at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, believes in praying for others, but he questions the wisdom of measuring God's response. "It's my experience that God actually prompts our prayers," Coppenger says. "But I don't see him cooperating in a test."

So according to this guy, this "God" fellow could have helped these heart patients recover without complications, but since he was pissed off at the experimenters, he took his ball and went home. Some God.

[nancyr]

22. p.s.

God works in mysterious ways his wonders to perform, etc, etc.

[Tennessee T]

23. Prayer and Free Will

I profess to be a Christian. I do respect Atheists. Or is it atheists?
Not sure if it is capitalized considering it is a reference the belief in nothing theistic. Belief is personal. Believe what you like but don't cramp it down my throat.

I believe in free will. You have a choice to do good things or bad. You have a choice to use the brain that God gave you or did not give you.
Most morality is not innate. Proven by children with no ethical or moral direction in life committing murder.

Prayer generally defined as a personal conversation with the higher or lower entity in which you believe.

I profess to be a Christian. I do respect Atheists. Or is it atheists?
Not sure it’s capitalized considering it is a reference the belief in nothing theistic. Belief is personal. Believe what you like but don't cram it down my throat.

I believe in free will. You have a choice to do good things or bad. You have a choice to use the brain that God gave you or did not give you.
Is morality innate? Why does a child with no ethical or moral direction in life commit murder? An Atheist can teach good morals as well as a Christian.

Prayer generally defined as a personal conversation with the higher or lower entity in which you believe.
It can be simply an inner dialog (meditation) within yourself regarding an important decision.

I believe it can help your personal health because keeping stress low and managing your feelings is important when it comes to illness.

Prayer has been highjacked by people whose brains have not evolved beyond cavemen. Whoops! I believe in evolution also.



Within us all dwells good and bad. One does not exist without the other.
Otherwise how do you know the difference?
O8) :evilfrown: :puke: :mad: :hippie: :nopity: :thumbsdown: :thumbsup: :dilemma:

[immoderate]

24. So how do we know the difference between...

a god that exists and a god that doesn't? He's very subtle.

--IMM

[shrike]

25. It's one study

And a dumb one at that -- not to mention a waste of money, IMO.
I've read of other studies that show positive results from prayer and I suspect they're just as "valid" as this one.

The real question to me is, why is CNN wasting valuable time on this? Believers aren't going to worry about the study anyway, and those who don't believe are going to shrug their shoulders, say "hell, I knew that," and go on their way.

We've got massive debt, a godawful war, another one possibly on the way and CNN is wasting its time on a prayer study.