Is the capital cop in the McKinney incident a plant ala Gannon/Guckert?

[bpilgrim]

what do we know about the Officer?
what can we find out?

i am very suspicious about this incident and would not be surprised at all that this is a set up.

we need to know more about this especially with the RW thugs all over the M$M spinning and sliming.

peace

[BrklynLiberal]

1. Would not shock me.

[EFerrari]

2. I was thinking the same thing this morning. How much does it cost

for a cop to "not know" Cynthia? To be disrespectful, maybe and to get in her face?

[rustydog]

3. Even if a set-up, you don't strike a police officer...

sorry.

[mattclearing]

5. No one knows that happened.

Video does not corroborate the "striking" story.

[bpilgrim]

6. if someone grabs you inappropriately you have a right to defend yourself

if she was grabbed from behind she had no idea who it was... just like the cop.

think about it...

peace

[mitchtv]

50. also in a set up

someone has to beleive the cop. And other cops do no make a good witness from what I know , its called testalying.

[mattclearing]

4. I've heard of cops making up shit about people who didn't kiss their ass.

Happens all the time. Assaulting an officer is a favorite of these clowns.

They say they were hit, no one else will say otherwise. Like the fucking mob.

[kurth]

13. Watch this little clip:

http://www.statesman.com/news/mplayer/m/2949

and... guess what?

Officer, ex-officer not guilty of mistreating handcuffed man
Both are acquitted of official oppression.
By Steven Kreytak
AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF
http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/04/1policetrial.html

[wordpix]

30. We had a political sign war in my town in past two years---cop blamed ME

because I write op-eds when people do slimy things related to development and ethics in my town.

When I told the cop the other party had been stealing Dem signs for two years, she told me to cut the crap and start telling the truth! This WAS the truth.

We got it sorted out finally but it took awhile. Point is, sometimes you're blamed for things you didn't do because of what you've done beforehand. In my case, I fight for open space and ethical behavior in my town and some people don't like it.

[Sammy Pepys]

7. I doubt it.

1) Why McKinney?

2) It would be nearly impossible to nail down when McKinney or any member would be coming or going, which of the numerous entrances she would've used to get into Cannon (or whichever building the incident occurred at), who would've been there to witness it, etc etc etc. Member staff has hard enough time with this stuff....forget about a Capitol Police Officer being able to figure it out.

3) How could they have planned her reaction? What if she had turned around and said "Oh, I'm sorry," and that was the end of it. What happens then?

4) McKinney is the one who has been calling all the press conferences about it....not the Capitol Police.

[bpilgrim]

9. easy

1. she is an outspoken opponent of the bush crime family
2. all modern cell phones can EASILY be tracked (NSA)
3. if you know someone it is easy to predict their reaction
4. CM apologized but the police decided to investigate anyways, she is now simply DEFENDING HERSELF, again

peace

[Sammy Pepys]

12. Oh please....

This is beyond far-fetched. Roll with this theory if you like..but it's utterly ridiculous.

[bpilgrim]

17. The state does this kind a thing all the time...

everything i said is not only possible but they have classes and train agents in it daily.

unless of course you think the neoCONs would never do such a thing, who can argue with that :shrug:

peace

[Sammy Pepys]

19. Well, I'll tell you this...

If there is a masonic black helicopter conspiracy attached to all this it's working like a charm. This has to have been the most popular topic on DU the past couple of days. I'm actually hearing more about DeLay on MSM than I am here.

[bpilgrim]

20. we need to fight for our own in the 'game'

who gives a shit about delay on his way out of the 'game' :shrug:

besides i see just as many delay threads as CM threads, so stop whining :P

peace

[Sammy Pepys]

21. I agree with you....

..but this whole administration plant thing is nonsense. It doesn't focus the fight where it needs to be focused. It's based on nothing but pure speculation, and the logistics surrounding something like that are pretty much unfeasible.

I'm in Capitol Hill offices very frequently and interact with a lot of these folks, from Cap Police to Members. This theory is incredibly out there. We need to put our strenghts to better use.

[bpilgrim]

23. i am saying we need to know more AND consider the POSSIBILITY that this is

a SET-UP.

considering their track record it certainly IS within the realm of possibility.

i wont dismiss anything out of hand when it comes to the neoCONs and neither should anyone else.

peace

[Sammy Pepys]

27. I'm not going to waste my energy with it....

...neither should you.

[bpilgrim]

28. i don't consider looking at the cop who harassed her a waste of my time

...neither should you.

peace

[cali]

42. Evidence please.

"everything i said is not only possible but they have classes and train agents in it daily.
unless of course you think the neoCONs would never do such a thing, who can argue with that "

make a flat out assertion, you should provide some evidence.

[bpilgrim]

43. you don't think our agents are trained?

what evidence are you looking for?

peace

[fooj]

24. It ISN'T utterly ridiculous...

Have you been under a rock for the past 5 years? She's being "swiftboated", IMO. Familiar with the term?

She is one of the few members of Congress who continue to call this treasonous administration on their BS. She has been relentless.

Do you think that this is as far-fetched as the photographer who lost his job the other day for taking a picture of Scalia? As far-fetched as outing a CIA COVERT Agent? AS far-fetched as the President of the US LYING us into an illegal war? As far-fetched as the President spying on the American people without a warrant? Far-fetched as stealing three elections? The list of "far-fetched" goes on and on and on...

"Utterly ridiculous" doesn't seem like a valid response anymore, now does it?

Peace.

[katty]

29. agree-anyone gets targeted-McKinney is detested by GOP

[Sammy Pepys]

31. It's utterly ridiculous

You're talking about something so happenstance it's unreal. Is there anyone at all around here familiar with the level of activity that goes in the House office buildings?

[fooj]

32. She showed him her id. BFD if it wasn't on her clothing.

Enough said.

[Sammy Pepys]

36. Then clearly there's a conspiracy involved....n/t

....

[bpilgrim]

56. you are missing the point

no one said it IS just that it is possible and we need to LOOK for more info.

you seemed determined to try and stop anyone from doing so.

peace

[blm]

8. It would be just like them to make a move like that to distract from GOP

implosion stories.

They have no limits to the extent they manipulate the media.

[DELUSIONAL]

10. He should be exposed --

my guess is that he very likely could be a plant.

Why are "they" covering for him? Too many questions --

He should be fired for NOT recognizing McKinney -- period -- end of discussion.

My guess is that ALL of the Congressional Reps are in a hurry -- going from appointment to appointment -- rushing to the floor to vote -- it is the duty of the cops to recognize each and every Congressional Rep.

The video of a day of this cop or a whole week would be educational -- who does he know -- who are his friends? He should be investigated. Why is his name being withheld -- what does he (they) have to hide??

[flyarm]

11. i have serious problems with security cops who are supposed to be

securing congresspeople..not knowing who Cynthia is or what she looks like..he was supposed to be securiing "her!!!"

so if he doesn't know what she looks like and he is supposed to be there for "her " security..how the hell secure was she????????

and since she showed her Captiol id..( not the pin..ok) but her captiol hill security badge..wtf was this guys problem????????

this has never passed the smell test to me!

and i will say it a thousand times..any time someone grabs a woman from behind he better look out with todays socialization of women..we hear it over and over...if someone grabs you from behind ..react fast and decisive..

and those who have had any security classes have even stronger reaction tactics..

i have had such security classes..and if anyone were to grab me from behind..they would need nasal surgery..it wouldn't be a poke ...with a cell phone..

it would be hard and decisive!
and i would not ask questions first..

fly

[cali]

14. Yeah, and Hillary

murdered Vince Foster. You don't like to see Cynthia smeared or convicted in the court of public opinion. I get that and I'm with you on it, but it's not much better to start smearing the cop who, in all likelihood, is just some working guy caught up in a mess. It's unfair to target him as a provocateur or racist before you know any of the facts, and yes it's hypocritical too.

[bpilgrim]

18. sorry, but this is hardball and we need to know

they did it before, they will do it again.

there are TWO people in this equation and we need to understand BOTH sides completely.

peace

[fooj]

34. Why not just release the tape? I'll tell you why...........

BECAUSE TAPES DON'T LIE!

Peace.

[5X]

15. How long has delay been planning his 'retirement'....

surely he wanted as much distraction as possible.

[devilgrrl]

16. I hear Cynthia McKinney kills Christian babies and makes Matzos...

with their blood! :sarcasm:

You know you're going to hear shit like that from the rightards.

[katty]

52. LOL-indeed! they never stop spewing!

[flordehinojos]

22. even if it is not a set up, it smells putridly of someone trying to stop

her from getting to the vote that she had only 15 minutes to get to, and heaven knows from how far away she had to go to get there ... and on friendlier times, i've watched on 60 minutes or other programs the DISTANCE that there is from some of these people's offices to the floor of the house, and believe me, 15 minutes doesn't cover that far away distance that they have to get to, sometimes.

[bpilgrim]

26. exactly, it could also be an inexperienced noobie cop who acted rash &

inappropriately who is now trying to cover his butt by trying to capitalize on cynthia's bad rep among the GOP.

the main thing is, we need to know more about that officer.

peace

[Sammy Pepys]

35. Whoa, wait a second...

Inexperienced cop? We bordered on common sense there! We know the simplest/most likely explanations are not to be granted any creedence!

Here's my theory: When someone breeches security at any of the Congressional office buildings, they typically have to be evacuated and CP has to identify who/what made it through without proper scrutiny.

This, as you can imagine and I have experienced, is a major pain in the ass and pisses pretty much everyone off. This is probably what inspired the effort to stop McKinney from proceeding before she could get any further into the building. Maybe the officer could've been more tactful about it...but either way I don't think the motive was anything remotely sinister involved. I don't think any was getting swiftboated, or that McKinney was being specifically targeted.

[bpilgrim]

37. you act like you know

when you don't

we are just trying to get more info, nothing wrong with that i hope.

peace

[Sammy Pepys]

38. Sir, I do know.....

I'm a regular, you might say....

Nothing wrong with getting more info, but you're not going to get the kind you're looking for. You're wasting yuor time.

[bpilgrim]

39. where you there? no. so you don't know.

i am saying we need more info.

peace

[Sammy Pepys]

40. And neither where you...

..and clearly you're just not familiar enough with how security procedures at places like that work so you come up with these completely outlandish theories and expect some sort of corroborating info out there to prove you right. I don't think Mckinney's lawyers would even touch that one.

I don't see what point there is into doing a full background investigation into this particular officer...frankly, I find it a little disturbing it's even suggested. Does this incident warrant a full investigation of this officers back ground/friends/etc? No way...

If you think there's a conspiracy that needs to be investigated and wish to request something of that nature, type it up and PM it to me. I'll hand deliver it to whomever in Congress you want to receive it.

[bpilgrim]

41. thats why i am asking questions and not dismissing them out of hand

i already sent my concerns to CM.

if someone is trying to smear, harass and remove one of our FEW progressive reps i think we need to know all we can about her accuser especially in light of all the dirty tricks we've been subjected to by the neoCONs.

you want to trust them fine, thats your choice, my choice is to be suspicious and to fight like hell for one of our own.

peace

[Sammy Pepys]

47. I bid you the best of luck, Inspector Clouseau....n/t

....

[bpilgrim]

49. you can bet that her supporters will be very tenacious in defending her

wise guy

peace

[Sammy Pepys]

51. And she deserves it...

...seriously. More likely than not, the behavior of the officer was uncalled for.

But all this tinfoilhat stuff doesn't help things. Make an effort to defend Cynthia, rather than wandering through the conspiracy theory wilderness.

[bpilgrim]

53. you got that right

gotta have all the bases covered, though.

peace

[oasis]

25. Ala Linda Tripp. Sent on a mission by a Lucianne Goldberg type.

Tripp sought out right ring publisher Goldberg and offered to write a book about what she knew about her experience working in the Clinton White House. Goldberg looked over the Tripp's notes and said something like "There is nothing bookworthy here, come back when you have more" wink, wink. Tripp then put her giant snooper into high gear and began to investigate rumors that Clinton was "carrying on" with a certain intern.

Tripp made it her mission befriend the intern, Monica Lewinsky.

The capitol cop may have been sent on a similar mi$$ion by another right wing whacko.

[AngryAmish]

33. He must be some sort of robot

[Raydawg1234]

44. Oh come on. You can't be serious.

[bpilgrim]

45. it is possible considering all we know of how the neoCONs opperate

we need to know more.

peace

[Raydawg1234]

46. I think you give the NeoCons too much credit. They are not smart

enough to plan something like this. A democrat fucked up, get over it.

[bpilgrim]

48. i think you don't give them enough credit... look at what they have done

they have turned our world upside down and set it on fire.

are you paying any attention?

peace

[fooj]

55. How can ANYONE in their right mind suggest that the Repubs

"aren't SMART enough"...oh please. Not smart enough? How so? They OWN BOTH The House and Senate, The WH and the SCOTUS! Doesn't sound like a group of dummies to me.

I believe that the jury is out on whether a dem fucked up or not. I haven't seen all of the evidence. Have you?

[mitchtv]

54. my two cents?

as a Californian I see racism and police shootings/beatings/misconduct/lies on an almost daily basis. I put nothing below the crowd that arrested Cindy Sheehan. TURN that cop inside out!

[SOS]

57. Swiftboating is now par for the course

The Capitol incident alone is strange, but when a right-wing TV station in Atlanta comes up with some BS over a plane ticket expense a week later, it starts to look concerted.