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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 05:46 PM
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The Vet versus the Veterinarian: "No body spins me - period."
I recommend that everyone read every word of this floor speech by Senator Kerry.

John Kerry Responds to Sen. Allard's Iraq Attacks

The Vet versus the Veterinarian


After Senator Kerry offered a new direction on Iraq that keeps faith with American troops and gives the Iraqis their best chance at democracy, Senator Wayne Allard (R-Colo.) launched an attack on Senator Kerry and defended the Bush Administration's aimless course in Iraq. Sen. Kerry returned to the floor to defend himself and his Iraq plan.

The Kerry plan sets two important deadlines for the Iraqis to form a unity government and redeploy American combat forces.

Below is Sen. Kerry’s response to the Allard attacks:


Mr. President, a little while ago I was fought here.

I was at a hearing of the finance committee. I am informed that the Senator from Colorado, Senator Allard, came to the floor to attack my position on Iraq, which is fine by me, but also I think somewhat questionably with respect to the rules and the etiquette of the Senate to attack me personally for my motives with respect to the position I have taken.

And the Senator from Colorado suggested that -- quote -- "we're seeing an individual who is being spun in the political winds." Well, let me make it clear to the Senator from Colorado and anybody who wants to debate Iraq, when it comes to issues of war and peace and of young Americans dying, nobody spins me period.

And I’m not going to listen to the Senator from Colorado or anyone else questions my motives when young Americans are dying on a daily basis or losing their limbs because Iraqi politicians won't form a government from an election that they held in December.

That is just inexcusable; let me ask the Senator from Colorado, it is okay by him that young Americans are dying right now while politicians in Baghdad are frittering away the time and the opportunity that our soldiers fought to give them? Does he think that's a plan that's working? Does he think that's serving the needs of the American military?

A year and a half ago, two years ago I suggested, as did many other people, that it would be inappropriate to set a timetable for American troops to withdraw because we hadn't had election and because most people assumed what we were fighting then was al Qaeda and foreign terrorists.

The fact is since then we've trained forces, we've trained police. We listen to this administration consistently come and tell us how great the training is, how many people are up and trained, how much they've been able to make progress, how 70% of the country is indeed peaceful. Well, if that's true, then there shouldn't be a great threat to reducing American forces on a schedule that is also tied to our ability to resolve the other issues with respect to Iraq.

I'd ask the Senator from Colorado, let's have a real debate about this issue. Does he ignore what our own generals tell us?

He says the president has a plan. Our generals tell us, General Casey, that the large presence of American forces, in fact, is adding to the occupation, the sense of occupation, and it delays the Iraqis standing up on their own. I'm listening to General Casey, not to the Senator from Colorado. If General Casey tells me that the Iraqis would stand up faster if there were less Americans there, I believe him. Our troops have done the job.

Don't come to the floor of the United States Senate and try to suggest to me that somehow when we come up with a plan to protect our troops and to make America stronger that we're somehow making their life more miserable. Ask the troops. 70% of the troops who were polled -- polled in Iraq said that they thought within the next year we ought to be able to withdraw. Those are our troops talking to us.

The notion that we're going to try to make this into one of those political squabbles lets have a real debate about the policy in Iraq.

Anybody who wants to come to the floor and pretend it's working today is living in a fantasy land, and anybody who wants to suggest that our soldiers ought to be dying so a bunch of folks over there can squabble over issues that we haven't even brought to the diplomatic table adequately has a false sense of protecting the troops means and of what their interests really are.

The fact is that they only respond to deadlines.

Talk to people who have been in the region. It took a deadline to get them to have a transfer of the provisional government. It took a deadline to be able to get the elections in place. It took a deadline to be able to get the constitution in place. It took a deadline to be able to have the election that we held in December.

And the fact is it ought to take a deadline now to tell them, don't put our kids' lives at stake and waste billions of dollars of American taxpayers. Get your government together. You owe that much to the American people. You owe that much to yourselves. You owe that much to the Iraqis. You owe that much to the world, which is waiting for leadership, for some kind of adult behavior.

I don't think the American people believe what the Senator from Colorado said – that they believe there is a good plan in place. Everything we've been told about Iraq has turned out to be false, from almost day one. This is the third war we're fighting in Iraq in as many years.

The first war, I might remind Americans, was the war to get Saddam Hussein and the weapons of mass destruction.

Then when there weren't any weapons of mass destruction, it became regime change. If the president of the United States had come to the United States congress and said, I want authorization to go to Iraq for regime change, he wouldn't have received it.

And then after it was regime change, it transformed into, oh, we got to fight them over here rather than fight them over there, fight them over there rather than here in the united states of America. Well, that sounded good for awhile. Because people, all of us want the fight al Qaeda and want to fight terrorists. Lo and behold we found there really were only, according to most of the estimates, 700 to 1,000 or so hard-core jihadists from other countries over there. And the insurgency grew day by day to be an insurgency that is now a low-grade civil war.

Prime Minister Allawi called it a civil war. Does the Senator from Colorado believe he knows better than Prime Minister Allawi what to call it?

The fact is it's now a civil war, and our troops can't resolve a civil war. No matter how valiant, and they have been, and no matter how courageous, and they have been, and no matter how skilled and they have been. This is the best military I’ve ever seen. These are the best young men and women I’ve ever met, and it's been my privilege to go to Iraq and meet them. And they are making progress in certain areas, but their progress is set back by the unwillingness of Iraqis to pick up the baton of democracy. You have to compromise.

And the whole reason they think they can sit there and not compromise is because the president's policy is just stay the course, stay the course, stay the course. We have an occasional visit by the secretary state or somebody to suggest they ought to do more. Ambassador Khalilzad is -- ambassador call Khalilzad is a terrific person, skilled. He's doing a terrific job, but he can't do this alone.

So I believe we ought to have a real debate about policy, a policy where they told us it would cost $20 billion to $30 billion. Remember that, colleagues?

Remember Mr. Wolfowitz in front of the committees telling us, oh, the Iraqi oil's going to pay for the war.

Remember them telling us that the soldiers were going to be received like conquering heroes with flowers all across Iraq? And then when looting broke out, remember Mr. Rumsfeld standing and saying that Washington is safer than Baghdad and looting happens?

Remember how they didn't even guard the ammo dumps and our kids started to get blown up with the ammo they could have guarded. No planning was put in place.

Anybody who wants to read about Iraq, go read the book "Cobra II," and you can read an astounding story of negligence and malfeasance, misfeasance with respect to this war, companies over billing us, Halliburton, by billions of dollars.

You want to run down the list of things that are egregious with respect to this war?

I tell you one thing I know well, and I’ll remind the Senator from Colorado, half the names on the wall of that Vietnam Memorial, half the names on that wall became names of the dead after our leaders knew our policy wouldn't work.

Well, our policy isn't working today, and I’m not going to be a United States Senator who adds to the next wall wherever it may be put that honors those who served in Iraq so that once again people point to a bunch of names that are added after we knew something was wrong. We have a bigger responsibility than that.

Absence of legitimate diplomacy in this is absolutely astounding to me. You know, when you look at what former Secretary Henry Kissinger did night after night, day after day, back and forth in an airplane, struggling to be able to get people to come to agreement around the table.

You look at what former Secretary Jim Baker did, traveling all over the world, working with countries, pulling people together around the idea.

I don't even see deputy assistant secretaries, other people out there at a level working other countries to try to a resolution for this, and there are Sunni neighbors all around who could all play a more significant role.

The Arab league could play a more significant role.

The United Nations could play a more significant role.

What are we doing? Just drifting day after day after day.

We want to go back and talk about the armor that our troops didn't have? We want to talk about the humvees that weren't armored. How many kids have lost their arms or legs because of the lack of adequacy of the equipment that they were given? How many parents had to go out and buy armor for their kids? Because it wasn't provided for.

I have never in my life seen a war managed like this one where there has been zero accountability at the highest levels of civilian leadership and people have been able to make mistake after mistake after mistake, and people want to come to the floor and defend it as somehow justifiable.

We have a plan and we're on course.

We're not on course. We're on the wrong course. And the plan needs to be changed.

Somebody ought to tell the Iraqi leadership that American citizens are not going to put their money and the treasure of their young into a kind of, you know, non-effort to compromise and show statesmanship and leadership that puts a government together. We put that government together, and then we talk about how we're going to move forward.

Right now this is adrift.

It's a policy without leadership.

And the American people understand that.


What we need now is civilian will and high pressure that is equal to the sacrifice of our soldiers.

I yield the floor.

Link to transcript:

http://kerry.senate.gov/v3/cfm/record.cfm?id=253668http://kerry.senate.gov/v3/cfm/record.cfm?id=253668http://kerry.senate.gov/v3/cfm/record.cfm?id=253668


Now, that is the only way any Democratic Member of Congress or candidate should speak and we might just be able to stop the Bush imperial crime syndicate and begin restoring America.


George W. Bush willfully violated National Security to cover-up his willful launch of a war of aggression and illegal occupation of Iraq.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 06:35 PM
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1. Here's a video clip
Fednet.net has it up, don't know for how long.

It's a good one to watch, especially towards the end, after he gets choked up about the Wall.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 07:39 PM
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4. Very special. I'm saving that! Thank you.
Peace.
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Noisy Democrat Donating Member (799 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 11:11 PM
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34. Did you manage to save it?
It looks like I missed it by a few minutes -- I guess they change clips at midnight. Could you possibly send it to me via YouSendIt?
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 09:40 PM
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19. Thanks! I finally got to watch it.
It's really great. He sure kicked some ass reeling off all the things that are effed up in Iraq.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 09:16 PM
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29. That was awesome! Thanks. n/t
Edited on Sun Apr-09-06 09:16 PM by ProSense
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Noisy Democrat Donating Member (799 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 11:10 PM
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33. I think it's down
Did anyone manage to save it?
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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 11:39 PM
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35. I still get it
Do you have Windows media?
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Noisy Democrat Donating Member (799 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 10:18 PM
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40. Hmm!
yes, but when I click on this, it just gives me this file that says Buildasx<1>.asf, and then it says it's Playing but nothing plays. When I go to the site itself, I don't see the clip.

How are you getting it to play? Just clicking on the link? I get a choice of Open or Save when I do that, but neither one gets anything to play.

Thanks for your help (btw, did you get the videotape?)
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RubyDuby in GA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 06:58 PM
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2. Personally,
I think he should have ended by saying "So there! Suck on that!" Or maybe that's just me and maybe that's why I'm not a member of the US Senate. :shrug:
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 07:38 PM
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3. "So there! Suck on that!" -- sorta the way I would have ended it, as well.
Guess it's best I'm not in the Senate, as well :evilgrin:

:thumbsup: Thanks!


Peace.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 07:45 PM
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6. bwahaha
:rofl:

He probably said that on his way off the floor, or at least thought it.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 08:35 PM
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10. It was actually amazing as there was near
total silence on the floor - where there's usually a buzz of people talking.

Kerry, though dignified and articulate was clearly emotional - especially when he spoke about half of the dead on the wall dying after the planners knew it was unwinnable. The enormity of that - especially as those unessesary deaths included at least some of the 5 very close friends he lost.

That was a brilliant denunciation of Allards' comments and of the mistakes Bush made. It amazes me that he had no notes and was speaking from his heart or gut - yet it still reads beautifully. This was no researched and practiced stump speech. His obvious emotion as he spoke of the wall only supported his comment that this was not political.

My question is, isn't it strange that an unknown 27 yr old war hero can get 5 minutes of time on all the networks and the last nominee of the Democratic party could make a speech like this and get barely a ripple. We lost the press.
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vickitulsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 10:57 PM
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20. Good points all, Karynnj. I choked up myself when I read that part
about half the dead on The Wall having been lost AFTER our "leaders" KNEW that war was unwinnable!

It flashed me back to my visit to that black granite monument in the Mall in DC -- that was in 1999. It took me that long to get there, to get up the courage to face what I knew would be a shatteringly emotional experience. I rode a Greyhound bus 32 hours straight from Tulsa to DC for the Veterans Day events that year, and to meet a lot of Nam Vets in person that I'd gotten to know on the Internet for a couple of years before that. Nurses, soldiers, pilots, grunts -- grunts in abundance! Donut Dollies, guys from graves registration (imagine THAT job in the Army during Vietnam!), mechanics, doorgunners (my daughter's biodad was one of those), sneak-and-peek troops (recon units), medics, there's just no end of positions that must be filled in war....

So, having grown close to the vets and having been to The Wall and experienced the stunning power of it to shake one who remembers that war, I choked up when I just read what John Kerry said about those lives that were wasted -- and he didn't even mention all those lives that were otherwise ruined by the war in Vietnam! Fifty-eight thousand plus were killed officially, but more than twice that committed suicide not long after they returned. Many more in the years since then. And out of 2.3 MILLION PERSONS who served incountry during that war, think of how many still alive now continue to suffer for their sacrifices then. As do their families, those who love them and have seen the price they paid, how they continue paying every day.

I guess only those who qualify officially as "seniors" now (age 55, they tell me), those who can actually REMEMBER that war and just how long it lasted, how many KIA's we heard about every day in the news (as many as 500 in ONE WEEK at its height) ... maybe we are the only ones who choke up to think about the CRIMES our leaders ordered then, and their COST. So I'm really glad JK did it, spoke from his heart and not from prepared speech notes, let his emotion show and silenced those who listened to him -- hopefully shamed most of them thoroughly.

At least I have to say I'm encouraged to find younger people here at DU who seem to "get it" even though they cannot remember Vietnam.





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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 10:14 AM
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38. Your own story is awsome
Although I've gone to Washington very often - I have family and friends in the suburbs, I've never gone to the wall. As a 55 yr old (I don't wanna be a senior), Vietnam was an emotional issue. I figured that I already understood how enormous the cost of Vietnam was. After Kerry's description and his comments, I think I will see it on a future DC visit.

I agree with you that it doesn't show the whole cost. I recently watched the on line video on the PTSD event where a documentary done by New England Cable Network was shown. In addition to those involved with the film, Max Cleland (who gave a brilliant speech), John Kerry, and some of the NH National Guard who have a huge PTSD effort now spoke. In addition, Del S. (the second in command on Kerry's boat) spoke. It was clear from things Kerry said that he was extremely good, skilled and intelligent - yet he essentially ended up on the streets and likely would have committed suicide. At that point he called Kerry, who got him help and helped him through it.

link:
http://ksgaccman.harvard.edu/iop/events_forum_video.asp?ID=2973
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 09:17 PM
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17. Hee hee
:rofl:

I'm sure he was thinking something like that.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:36 AM
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22. Or at least given a Cheney salutation-
"Go f**k yourself Allard".

Kerry, telling it like it is.

K/R
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 07:40 PM
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5. Allard? I call him Dullard, cuz he is.
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 08:48 PM
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13. Allard is vile. I'd better
start calling his office a lot more often, seeing as how I am a "constituent" and all. I'm sure his staff will appreciate my comments. /sarcasm
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 08:49 PM
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14. then you probably know Tom and Beth Strickland
Edited on Sat Apr-08-06 09:25 PM by Neil Lisst
Tom is a long time acquaintance.
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 09:07 PM
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15. I confess I only know a little of Strickland
There was something about how people would climb the summits for him or with him or something like that during his campaign. I summited some 14 14'er's in the late 80's and early 90's. I wasn't political in the 90's (shame on me), but he lost to vile Allard by just a hair, right?
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 09:11 PM
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16. yeah, he's run twice and lost the senate race, as a Dem, of course
he worked for Richard Lamb when he was governor

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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 08:36 AM
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24. I was so upset that Allard, "gee, I'm just a country vet" beat Strickland
Edited on Sun Apr-09-06 08:37 AM by BleedingHeartPatriot
with his credible and successful track record as prosecutor.

And, now Beauprez is trying that same "Ah, Shucks" approach. BTW, Beauprez won in my redistricted district by 126 lousy votes, and now thinks he's going to be gov?!

ARGH! :mad:

MKJ
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 07:49 PM
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7. Kerry is a good man.
I wish he was in charge...
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 07:54 PM
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9. As do I.
:hi:


Peace.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 07:53 PM
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8. "... we have a bigger responsibility than that ..." Yep. And, we begin...
...meeting that responsibility by doing what Murtha an Kerry have proposed and, in addition to bringing our troops home, we need to bring Bush and his neoconster criminal syndicate to justice.


Peace.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 08:36 PM
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11. Damn. I wish he was the president.
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 08:45 PM
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12. Bookmarked. If Kerry would have gotten as riled up
at the time of the Sh!@boaters and he did at Sen. Allard from Colorado -- man oh man, would we be sitting in a different place right now!

Anyway, Kerry is still my President and I have to give him major kudos for learning how to shorten his sentences and get to the point faster.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 01:06 AM
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21. Excuse me
Did you see this on the 6 o'clock news??? No, just like you didn't see anything he said about the Swift Boat attacks on the news either.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-08-06 09:31 PM
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18. Like a 2x4 over Allard's head
Way to go, Senator Kerry :applause:
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:50 AM
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23. That speech makes me proud I voted for him.
I only wish he would have made statements like these during his campaign. If he had. We'd be calling him President Kerry right now. But I digress. I'm really making an effort not to bash my fellow Democrats. It's time to unite.

This was a fantastic speech that makes me, once again, proud to have voted for him. Bravo Senator Kerry.

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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 09:48 AM
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25. "It's time to unite." Definitely.
Thank you for your comments.


Peace.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 03:09 PM
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26. WOW!!!!!......and where is any of this speech in M$M , print or TV??????
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 10:06 AM
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37. THAT is the REAL PROBLEM faced by DEmocrats and the American people -
there is no NEWS network devoted to giving the American people the facts and the policies of the OTHER SIDE. The news networks have all been co-opted by the corporatists who protect the Bushboy because his wars are THEIR wars and wars make a ton of money for their military industry divisions.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 02:13 PM
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42. amen and amen and amen.......THIS cannot be emphasized enough
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 07:24 PM
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27. I appreciate Kerry's sentiment, but all of this troop worship repels me...
Edited on Sun Apr-09-06 07:25 PM by mike_c
The real issue for me is that the war against Iraq is an unprovoked war of aggression-- a war crime plainly and simply. THAT is sufficient justification for calling for withdrawal, and the only justification with any chance of ending in justice for the people responsible. The point Kerry refers to, when the names on the wall become the names of those who died in vain, that point was reached when the first American boot crossed the Kuwait border into Iraq. There has NEVER been a time when we should have been in Iraq. Every American killed in this conflict has died for nothing worth dying for, or worse, has died in defense of a criminal enterprise. More to the point, so has every innocent Iraqi killed in our names. Kerry talks about honoring the troops, but what about honoring the tens of thousands whose blood we've spilled as aggressors and occupiers? Where is the honor in their murder? To suggest that U.S. troops are the primary victims of the real crime in Iraq is just as dishonest as the lies that led to the war in the first place, IMO.
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drfresh Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 07:25 PM
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28. Damn that was good. He should have been elected. -nt
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 09:17 PM
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30. Great speech.
Allard should be censured for moronic partisanship.
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benny05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 09:37 PM
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31. Kerry kicks
Great transcript! Thanks for sharing! :dem: :kick:
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_dynamicdems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 11:03 PM
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32. Good stuff! Thank you for posting the transcript!
Edited on Sun Apr-09-06 11:06 PM by _dynamicdems
WHAT a smackdown! I love to see John Kerry when he's pissed. From the look in John Kerry's eyes, Allard got off light. This was JK in top form.

Methinks the gentleman senator would have enjoyed the existential pleasure of popping him a good one right smack in the kisser. I'd have loved to see that myself. Too bad we live in such a civilized time.
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 12:04 AM
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36. God, I love Kerry, and so wish Diebold and ES&S had been foiled or
prevented. The portion about the Vietnam Memorial made me weep, like I did years ago when I visited in person.

:kick: and R!
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Narraback Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-10-06 12:18 PM
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39. Kick
nt
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Luftmensch067 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-11-06 10:21 AM
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