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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 04:45 PM Original message |
A play from the Kobe Bryant play book: vilify the victim in the press |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
1. I have no solid opinion one way or the other on this specific case |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 09:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
121. There's no reason not to believe the story -- none |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 10:31 PM Response to Reply #121 |
143. No reason to believe DNA evidence NONE nada zip, absence of |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-17-06 07:04 AM Response to Reply #121 |
190. I DON'T believe the story. |
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progressivebydesign (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-17-06 12:13 PM Response to Reply #190 |
196. she had fake nails, and they were found broken off in the bathroom.. n/t |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-17-06 05:50 PM Response to Reply #196 |
199. Easy enough for her to plant... |
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Humor_In_Cuneiform (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
2. Thank you! Blaming the victim has been a long time tactic in |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 05:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. I honestly believe the treatment of women and minorities today... |
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Humor_In_Cuneiform (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 05:51 PM Response to Reply #9 |
30. I agree. It is contagious. Before this admin it was different. It is |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 05:59 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. It's also a characteristic of a fascist system. |
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Humor_In_Cuneiform (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 06:11 PM Response to Reply #36 |
45. Yes, fascism has to have something to prop up its insidious system. |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 09:01 PM Response to Reply #9 |
116. You are including Scalia&Co. as a part of "this administration" |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 05:56 PM Response to Reply #2 |
33. Almost as long used as jumping to conclusions and rushing to judgment nt |
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BrownOak (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-17-06 01:29 AM Response to Reply #2 |
188. Who is blaming the victim here? |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
3. I take it you're talking about *Kobe* Bryant? |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 05:11 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. now you know: I am not into basketball! |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 05:17 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. I don't totally disagree with you, but... |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 05:25 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. you were fortunate in not being inundated with the story when it was |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 05:25 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. There is a difference between defending himself |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 09:32 PM Response to Reply #14 |
122. Exactly -- excellent point |
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Humor_In_Cuneiform (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 05:27 PM Response to Reply #8 |
17. The whole mess violated the "rape shield" laws. Her identity was |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 05:32 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Ah yes. I do recall that. Thanks! |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 09:34 PM Response to Reply #17 |
123. She was literally followed from state to state and harassed at |
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opiate69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 09:36 PM Response to Reply #123 |
124. No.. |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 09:42 PM Response to Reply #124 |
128. no. |
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opiate69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 09:45 PM Response to Reply #128 |
132. Hmm... |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 09:54 PM Response to Reply #132 |
135. yeah! You got it! |
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opiate69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 09:57 PM Response to Reply #135 |
136. as I remember it.... |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-16-06 09:28 AM Response to Reply #17 |
157. Just a note: Rape shield laws are different in every state |
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wakeme2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
4. She was a drunk stripper that made up a story |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 05:12 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. what exactly did the SBI report show? |
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wakeme2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 05:15 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. No DNA from the team, no traces of recent sexual activity (condoms leave |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 05:20 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Plus the photos |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 09:39 PM Response to Reply #10 |
126. What photos? No one has seen them. Huh? |
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BrownOak (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-17-06 12:51 AM Response to Reply #126 |
185. Photos have been shared with at least two media sources.. |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 05:23 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. You are misinterpreting the report and believing the spin. |
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opiate69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 05:25 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. "It is a flat out lie that condoms leave trace evidence." |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 05:29 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. All I can tell you is that |
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opiate69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 05:33 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Uh-huh.. |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 05:40 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. It is rare to leave behind trace evidence from a condom |
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opiate69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 06:07 PM Response to Reply #23 |
43. Forgive me |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 07:21 PM Response to Reply #43 |
71. I will forgive you |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 09:41 PM Response to Reply #43 |
127. But yet you believe the defense attorney with no questions... |
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opiate69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 09:42 PM Response to Reply #127 |
130. Find one post of mine that backs up your ridiculous assertion |
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BrownOak (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-17-06 12:40 AM Response to Reply #23 |
184. Except that in this case it's the prosecution |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 05:42 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. That doesn't prove any thing |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 05:45 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. She had bruises on her privates before the rape? |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 05:50 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. SHE DID NOT HAVE BRUISES ON HER PRIVATES |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 05:56 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. where do you get your information? |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 06:00 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. That would be nice |
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Humor_In_Cuneiform (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 06:05 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Link? to the story that shows "...he prosecution and some feminist |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 07:37 PM Response to Reply #40 |
79. Well, everyone assumes the black player did not rape her. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 09:42 PM Response to Reply #37 |
129. "Feminist Organizations" Oh -- transparent as glass |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 06:05 PM Response to Reply #29 |
41. Deleted message |
FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 06:32 PM Response to Reply #41 |
49. Racist comments ???? |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 09:44 PM Response to Reply #49 |
131. All info from the defense... no proof about any of this |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 10:12 PM Response to Reply #131 |
139. Deleted message |
BrownOak (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-17-06 12:59 AM Response to Reply #131 |
186. Huh? |
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Moosepoop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 07:43 PM Response to Reply #29 |
80. SHE HAD VAGINAL AND ANAL TRAUMA |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 07:47 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Do you know how she got that trauma? |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 07:48 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Well, it sure wasn't from talking out of her ass. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 07:50 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. I could really make a bad joke of it, but I won't. |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 07:54 PM Response to Reply #85 |
90. 'according to the defense lawyer' ....says it all. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 07:59 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. I knew you would say that. I guess the defense lawyer |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 08:01 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. I don't compulsively keep up with the case. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 08:06 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Well, pardon me, it helps to know what you are discussing, no? |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 08:19 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. Indeed, it does, lizzy. Indeed it does. |
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Moosepoop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 08:03 PM Response to Reply #85 |
94. That's not what the lawyer said. |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 08:29 PM Response to Reply #94 |
103. this is exactly what I mean |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 08:47 PM Response to Reply #94 |
111. Hello? I was not referring to that statement at all. This is |
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Moosepoop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-17-06 05:26 AM Response to Reply #111 |
189. Uh huh. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 09:37 PM Response to Reply #7 |
125. The report didn't say she hadn't had any sexual activity |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 10:54 PM Response to Reply #125 |
144. WRONG AGAIN |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-16-06 07:09 PM Response to Reply #144 |
178. uhm, what felony was she in danger of being arrested for?? |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
12. Universities would be a great place to start re-education programs |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 06:20 PM Response to Reply #12 |
47. interesting stories |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 06:39 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. sign of the times |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 06:57 PM Response to Reply #52 |
60. letting justice run its course |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 07:03 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Nice to think the we might have progressed |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 07:16 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. I don't think I made my point clear |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 07:36 PM Response to Reply #68 |
78. I understand |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 10:08 PM Response to Reply #78 |
138. That's not exactly what I'm saying, but the link is interesting |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 10:23 PM Response to Reply #138 |
140. Rape Shield Laws |
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Humor_In_Cuneiform (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 11:18 PM Response to Reply #140 |
146. Rape shield laws can be circumvented when a high price and powered |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 11:37 PM Response to Reply #146 |
149. You should have read the link I provided |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-16-06 09:22 AM Response to Reply #146 |
156. Rape shield laws also don't cover the time close to the rape, |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
16. Deleted message |
FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 05:39 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. Anyone that can retain a woody |
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pinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 06:07 PM Response to Reply #22 |
42. Just a point. "If she submits" implies force. And implies rape. |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 11:08 PM Response to Reply #42 |
145. Agreed SUBMIT does imply rape |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
21. the players never asked for media attention |
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Humor_In_Cuneiform (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 05:45 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. I guess it is like political campaigns then. If fighting "back" includes |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-16-06 09:58 PM Response to Reply #27 |
180. and there has been no smearing |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 05:48 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. The problem is that the prosecution is bound by law... |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 07:36 PM Response to Reply #28 |
77. Really? Well, the DA must have not known this because |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-16-06 10:03 PM Response to Reply #77 |
181. and everything the defense lawyers have said |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-16-06 10:04 PM Response to Reply #28 |
182. not really |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
25. I have very conflicted feelings |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 05:54 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. THOSE POOR STUDENTS ARE BEING VICTIMISED |
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Humor_In_Cuneiform (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 05:57 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. So much compassion for one side, none for the other. n/t |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 06:00 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. Seems that closing ranks against the police has a price. |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-17-06 07:39 AM Response to Reply #38 |
191. Refusing to talk to police was their right... |
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genie_weenie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-17-06 12:08 PM Response to Reply #191 |
195. Refusing to talk to the police is NOT a right |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 07:26 PM Response to Reply #25 |
73. The prosecution certainly wasn't quiet. The DA Nifong went |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
31. It sounds like you've already prejudged this case. |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 06:02 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. I don't know that I have yet |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 06:32 PM Response to Reply #39 |
50. Actually, your use of language indicates |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 06:34 PM Response to Reply #39 |
51. Let's take a look at a paragraph in your original post. |
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Humor_In_Cuneiform (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 06:40 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. I think we're straying from the topic. Unless we want to put the OP on |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 06:53 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Reading is fundamental: I said I don;t know. |
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Humor_In_Cuneiform (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 06:56 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Your words say no no no, but your tone says yes, yes, yes. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 07:13 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. yeah, I should be a better speller. |
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Humor_In_Cuneiform (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 07:16 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Oh, I guess "reading is fundamental" was a compliment for me? |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 08:27 PM Response to Reply #67 |
101. After this you can have the last word.... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 06:54 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. It's not straying from the subject. |
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Humor_In_Cuneiform (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 06:58 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. She isn't acting as a public person, a prosecutor, a defense attorney |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 06:45 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Are those 2 pics part of your sig line? |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 06:54 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Nope those are two women who likely fabricated their tales of rape. |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 06:57 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. And this has what to do with this case? |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 08:28 PM Response to Reply #61 |
102. see # 64 -- i replied to the wrong post |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 07:05 PM Response to Reply #54 |
64. two reminders of rushing to judgment that didn't turn out so well |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-16-06 07:55 AM Response to Reply #39 |
154. What exactly should it be based on? |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 06:08 PM Response to Original message |
44. it remains to be seen if she's the victim or the team is |
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Humor_In_Cuneiform (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 06:14 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Hard to imagine a rape victim's sense of time and ability to recount it |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 06:30 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. the pieces simply don't fit, her story notwithstanding |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 07:19 PM Response to Reply #46 |
70. If they are going to charge people based on her statements, |
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Humor_In_Cuneiform (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 07:24 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Trauma does do awful things to a person, to the brain. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 07:28 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Yea, sure. You want to have your cake and eat it too. |
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Humor_In_Cuneiform (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 07:31 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. That's the answer. Let them eat cake!! n/t |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 07:34 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. In prison? |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 07:43 PM Response to Reply #76 |
81. you don't know what the evidence is |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 07:48 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. And prosecution does not? Again, Nifong went on and on |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 07:53 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. I hope not. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 07:54 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. Somehow, I doubt that's what prosecution wants in this case. |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-16-06 12:20 AM Response to Reply #46 |
150. It's not what she said or when she said it. |
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YouthInAsia (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
59. If think those guys need an apology. They had to cancel t heir |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 09:49 PM Response to Reply #59 |
133. She was raped -- Duke Hospital ER medical personnel |
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YouthInAsia (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 09:52 PM Response to Reply #133 |
134. sorry, but if she falsly accused these guys of rape, she |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
66. If we're talking about "vilification in the press", |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
69. Does "innocent until proven guilty" concept seems |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 07:50 PM Response to Reply #69 |
86. In a court of law |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 07:53 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. Fair enough. If you have a right to assume she is telling the truth, |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 08:24 PM Response to Reply #88 |
99. or better yet... |
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Egalitariat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
92. Are you upset those players are getting smeared in the press as well? |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 08:22 PM Response to Reply #92 |
98. I have not heard of any smearing of the men |
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genie_weenie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 08:44 PM Response to Reply #98 |
108. You haven't been listening |
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genie_weenie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
96. guilty guilty guilty la la la la la la la |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 08:27 PM Response to Reply #96 |
100. I am not sure I understand Ms. genie_weenie |
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opiate69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 08:30 PM Response to Reply #100 |
104. You keep referring to "lies" |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 08:33 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. "blathering?" |
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opiate69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 08:39 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. edited, and my apologies.... |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 08:45 PM Response to Reply #106 |
110. Thanks |
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genie_weenie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 08:40 PM Response to Reply #100 |
107. The US Legal system doesn't work, never has... |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 08:48 PM Response to Reply #107 |
113. Well said GW |
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genie_weenie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 09:05 PM Response to Reply #113 |
117. Keep Fighting, Double E |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 09:15 PM Response to Reply #117 |
120. oops |
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BrownOak (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-17-06 09:14 AM Response to Reply #107 |
192. Great post, but what's the alternative |
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genie_weenie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-17-06 12:03 PM Response to Reply #192 |
194. The issue of Crime goes to your outlook on Man |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 08:45 PM Response to Original message |
109. what did you expect? |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 08:47 PM Response to Reply #109 |
112. powerful post. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 08:51 PM Response to Reply #109 |
114. A minor problem? If someone falsely accused you, I bet |
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opiate69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 08:54 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. No shit! Damn.. good post, Lizzy |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 09:06 PM Response to Reply #114 |
118. how many right here at DU have been falsely accused vs. |
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Humor_In_Cuneiform (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 11:26 PM Response to Reply #118 |
147. Well said! In addition, the impact of the rape vs the accusation |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-16-06 08:42 AM Response to Reply #147 |
155. Are you serious? |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-16-06 05:41 PM Response to Reply #155 |
168. i would not say it is worse to be raped than falsely accused |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-16-06 06:23 PM Response to Reply #168 |
172. I would say both are serious and neither should happen. |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-16-06 06:51 PM Response to Reply #172 |
173. but both DO happen, don't they? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-16-06 06:54 PM Response to Reply #173 |
174. When either happens, they happen to an individual - not a percentage |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-16-06 07:03 PM Response to Reply #174 |
177. right....eye witness indentification |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-16-06 10:29 PM Response to Reply #177 |
183. Why does the number of people it affects matter to this instance? |
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genie_weenie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 09:09 PM Response to Reply #114 |
119. Here comes the story of the Hurricane, |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 10:25 PM Response to Reply #114 |
141. EXCELENT POST LIZZY |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 09:58 PM Response to Reply #109 |
137. Guilt isn't determined by what OTHER people have done, but |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 10:28 PM Response to Reply #137 |
142. Yes thank you |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-16-06 05:47 PM Response to Reply #137 |
169. guilt most definitely is determined or not by a host of factors |
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BrownOak (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-17-06 01:24 AM Response to Reply #169 |
187. But basically aren't you saying then |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-16-06 06:00 PM Response to Reply #109 |
170. Great points-- |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-16-06 06:54 PM Response to Reply #170 |
175. i wish i could forget |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-15-06 11:28 PM Response to Original message |
148. Deleted message |
Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-16-06 12:38 AM Response to Reply #148 |
151. Actually |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-16-06 07:38 AM Response to Reply #148 |
153. You certainly don't know that Kobe is innocent |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-16-06 12:42 AM Response to Original message |
152. Women often feel intimidated in reporting their rapes... |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-16-06 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
158. Why do so many whites reach back to the Tawana Brawley case |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-16-06 09:33 AM Response to Reply #158 |
159. History has its way of repeating itself, or so it seems. |
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jeffrey_X (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-17-06 12:24 PM Response to Reply #159 |
197. What do you mean exactly? |
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FredScuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-17-06 12:27 PM Response to Reply #159 |
198. History repeating itself |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-16-06 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
160. Deleted message |
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161. Deleted message |
Hidden Stillness (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-16-06 03:35 PM Response to Reply #161 |
164. Oh--I am Your Oppressor Now! |
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opiate69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-16-06 03:43 PM Response to Reply #164 |
165. Wow..... |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-16-06 03:25 PM Response to Reply #160 |
162. Oh dear god. |
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opiate69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-16-06 03:30 PM Response to Reply #162 |
163. well, you know lizzy... |
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FreakinDJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-16-06 03:51 PM Response to Reply #163 |
166. One hell of a morality |
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opiate69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-16-06 04:00 PM Response to Reply #166 |
167. Amazing, isn't it? n/t |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-16-06 06:22 PM Response to Reply #163 |
171. It would be more complicated than that because she's white and the |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-16-06 09:46 PM Response to Reply #162 |
179. men also lie about committing rapes |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-17-06 10:03 AM Response to Reply #179 |
193. And, rape is a very unreported crime |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-16-06 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
176. Well, it works for Rove... |
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