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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 02:16 AM
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Iran's Ahmadinejad on Holocaust...
 
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oddmanout Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 02:31 AM
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1. Knucklehead!
I cannot count the ways that this guy is a knucklehead! The Nazi's were excellent record keepers the proof is in the records, they were proud of what they did and did nothing to hide the fact that they were exterminating Jews, homosexuals, the mentally ill, Poles, Czechs, Russians, catholics and anyone else that they didn't want around in their perfect aryan world. How anyone could deny that it did not happen is not looking at the best evidence....the Nazi's themselves.


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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 02:33 AM
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2. i agree, i grow weary with too many people simple minded-ly defending...
a guy that is simply against america; there's kooks on both sides of that issue
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 10:05 AM
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3. i've never seen a defender of Amanidejka.dfjkajdf on DU
all I've seen are people who agree he's nuts but see thru the propaganda and listen thru the drumbeats for war. because they've seen this before. . . couple years back.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 01:03 PM
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5. as he has become kookier by the nano second, his support has waned...
from an initial 'yay! he's back talking bush'; there was/is support for quite nearly anyone against the cheney/bush/nixon's ghost/rove/matalin/bfee admin...but it is clear imo, all as-such opposition requires a reasonable base from which to espouse
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-31-06 04:04 AM
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-31-06 12:35 PM
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11. greetings, rollopollo...
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 11:51 AM
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4. but as he said at the end, his principal point...
... is what did the palestinean people have to do with the holocaust
that 5 millions are driven off their lands and denied nationality?

His other point regarding the holocaust is that some 60 million persons
were killed in world war 2, about 58 million civilians exterminated,
and that in aftermath, 'holocaust' appears to elevate jewish exterminations
as different or special than others.

The nbc guy said that genocide makes it different, and a... said how
exactly was the other 50 million civilians murdered not genocide?

Thanks for putting up that video. After seeing that, i don't feel that
that man is a threat to anyone. He is not hitler planning to build an
empire, but a man seeking to defend his people's interests in the light
of imperial colonialism.

the 'west' sat by and did nothing whilst bush has exterminated 700,000
people in an american-iraqi genocide right next to his country. And the
pretext for each of these invasions and colonizations is from a western
tragedy elevated to myth that it launch the troops. The myth of WMD's,
the myth that invading afganistan was necessary... how natural, given
the tendency of western nations to excuse themselves with homegrown myths,
to question the basis of why such myths involve invading the middle east.

The only people who need be afraid of that man are people designing on
killing citizens of his country.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 01:11 PM
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6. still good morning from here to you in the highlands...
i recall having made a similar point, in GD in think it was; one may well have alternative views, and numbers regarding the holocast...but there can be no dispute as to whether it had taken place

in that point i refer to, i mentioned my father as having been in the group that liberated Bergen-Belsen...he withered from under the nightmares gathered there until the day he died...the remains of the day, perhaps
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 01:54 PM
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 09:49 AM
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12. Would you mind telling us year by year how many were
killed in Iraq because the UN just came out with numbers that about 34,000 civilians were killed in Iraq in 2006.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/01/16/un.iraq/
And could you provide the numbers from mainstream sources please

That 700,000 number is ridiculously inflated. The President of Iran is a hate filled lying psycopath. He will say ANYTHING and lie through his teeth. Why you blindly follow whaever this sicko says is past me.

Five million people were not driven off "their" land in the Mideast. DO you have any links to prove this other than what the known Jew-hater and Holocaust denier Prez of Iran has to say about it. Are you aware Jews and Christians owned much of the land there and still do? Are you aware that hundreds of thousands of ews were driven off Arab lands?

As to your inability to understand the difference between the Holocaust and other deaths in WW2, I direct you to wikipedia though there are hundreds of others sources that can explain the difference to you.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust#Features_of_the_Nazi_Holocaust

The Holocaust was a unique event in history. Features of the Nazi Holocaust
The Nazi Holocaust had several characteristics that, taken together, distinguish it from other genocides in history.


Efficiency

Ghettos established in Europe in which Jews were confined, in ghettos and later in temporary concentration locations and later shipped to extermination camps.The Holocaust was characterized by the efficient and systematic attempt on an industrial scale to assemble and kill as many people as possible, using all of the resources and technology available to the Nazi state.<14> Germany was, at the time, one of the world's leading nations in terms of technology, industry, infrastructure, research, education, bureaucratic efficiency, and many other fields.<15>

For example, detailed lists of potential victims were made and maintained using Dehomag statistical machinery, and meticulous records of the killings were produced. As prisoners entered the death camps, they were made to surrender all personal property to the Nazis, which was then precisely catalogued and tagged, and for which receipts were issued (the issuing of receipts also helped to lull the victims into a false sense of security, as it made them believe that they would later be reunited with their property and luggage).

In addition, considerable effort was expended over the course of the Holocaust to find increasingly efficient means of killing more people.<16> Early mass murders by German soldiers of thousands of Jews in Poland, Ukraine, and Belarus, by shooting, had caused widespread reports of discomfort and demoralization among the German troops. Commanders had complained to their superiors that the face-to-face killings had a severely negative psychological impact on soldiers. Committed to destroying the Jewish population, the German Nazi government decided to pursue more mechanical methods, beginning with experiments in explosives and poisons.

In his book, Russia's War, British historian Richard Overy describes how the Nazis sought more efficient ways to kill people. In 1941, after occupying Belarus, they used mental patients from Minsk asylums as guinea pigs. Initially, they tried shooting them by having them stand one behind the other, so that several people could be killed with one bullet, but it was too slow. Then they tried dynamite, but few were killed and many were left wounded with hands and legs missing, so that the Germans had to finish them off with machine guns. In October 1941, in Mogilev, they tried a Gaswagen or "gas car". First, they used a light military car, and it took more than 30 minutes for people to die; then, they used a larger truck exhaust and it took only eight minutes to kill all the people inside.<17>


The Nazis methodically tracked the progress of the Holocaust in thousands of reports and documents. Pictured is the Höfle Telegram sent to Adolf Eichmann in January, 1943, that reported that 1,274,166 Jews had been killed in the four Aktion Reinhard camps during 1942.In the spring of 1942, the Aktion Reinhard camps began operating. Carbon monoxide was used in the gas chambers at Belzec, Sobibór, and Treblinka, whereas Zyklon B was employed at Majdanek and Auschwitz.<18>

The disposal of large numbers of bodies presented a logistical problem as well. Incineration was at first considered infeasible until it was discovered that furnaces could be kept at a high enough temperature to be sustained by the body fat of the bodies alone. With this technicality resolved, the Nazis implemented their plan of mass murder on its full scale.

Corporate involvement in the Holocaust has created significant controversy in recent years. Rudolf Höß, Auschwitz camp commandant, said that far from having to advertise their slave labour services, the concentration camps were actually approached by various large German businesses, some of which are still in existence. Technology developed by IBM also played a role in the categorization of prisoners, through the use of punched card machines.<14><19>


Scale
The Holocaust was geographically widespread and systematically conducted in virtually all areas of Nazi-occupied territory, where Jews and other victims were targeted in what are now 35 separate European countries, and sent to labor camps in some countries or extermination camps in others.<20> The mass killing was at its worst in Central and Eastern Europe, which had more than 7 million Jews in 1939; about 5 million Jews were killed there, including 3 million in occupied Poland and over 1 million in the Soviet Union. Hundreds of thousands also died in the Netherlands, France, Belgium, Yugoslavia, and Greece.

Documented evidence suggests that the Nazis planned to carry out their 'final solution' in other regions if they were conquered, such as the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland.<21> The extermination continued in different parts of Nazi-controlled territory until the end of World War II, only completely ending when the Allies entered Germany itself and forced the Nazis to surrender in May 1945.



Cruelty
The Holocaust was carried out without any reprieve even for children or babies, and victims were often tortured before being killed. Nazis carried out deadly medical experiments on prisoners, including children. Dr. Josef Mengele, medical officer at Auschwitz and chief medical officer at Birkenau, was known as the "Angel of Death" for his medical and eugenical experiments, e.g., trying to change people's eye color by injecting dye into their eyes.<22> Aribert Heim, another doctor who worked at Mauthausen, was known as "Doctor Death".


The Nazi concentration camp in Nordhausen.The guards in the concentration camps carried out beatings and acts of torture on a daily basis. Women were forced into brothels for the SS guards <23>. Russian prisoners of war were used for experiments, such as being immersed in ice water or being put into pressure chambers in which air was evacuated to see how long they would survive as a means to better protect German airmen.

Homosexual men suffered unusually cruel treatment in the concentration camps.<24> They faced persecution not only from German soldiers but also from other prisoners, and many homosexual men were beaten to death.<25> Additionally, homosexuals in forced labor camps routinely received more grueling and dangerous work assignments than other non-Jewish inmates, under the policy of "Extermination Through Work".<26> German soldiers also were known to use homosexuals for target practice, aiming their weapons at the pink triangles their human targets were forced to wear.<27>


Children
During the selection process, children were divided into two groups: those who were fit for work, and those who were not. Those who were deemed healthy enough to work had their prisoner ID tattooed on them, and were given a uniform. The children who were sent to work, most often in munitions factories,<28> were not anticipated to survive for much longer than a few weeks. This was due to the workload, placed on them by the Nazis and due to the lack of food and unhygienic conditions within the camp.

Those children deemed unfit for work, mostly young children, were immediately taken to the gas chambers.<29> These children were often very dependant on their mothers. However, some very small children, particularly twins, were kept by the camp "doctor" for medical experimentation <30>


Experiments
Main article: Nazi human experimentation
At the Auschwitz concentration camp, Dr. Josef Mengele was infamous for carrying out medical experiments on human subjects. These included placing subjects in pressure chambers, testing various drugs on them, freezing them to death, and various other usually fatal traumas. Of particular interest to Mengele were twins, Gypsies, dwarves and infants.<31> Beginning in 1943, twins were selected and placed in special barracks.<32>

Almost all of Mengele's experiments were of little scientific value, including attempts to change eye color by injecting chemicals into children's eyes, various amputations and other brutal surgeries, and in at least one case attempting to surgically transform normal twins into Siamese twins.<33>

The full extent of Mengele's work will never be known because the two truckloads of records he sent to Dr. Otmar von Verschuer at the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute were destroyed by the latter. Subjects who survived Mengele's experiments were almost always killed after the experiments for dissection.

While Mengele's experiments were the most notorious, his behavior was not an isolated aberration. Other Nazi physicians also engaged in human experimentation at several concentration camps, including Dachau<34>, Buchenwald<35>, Ravensbrück<36>, Sachsenhausen<37>, and Natzweiler concentration camps.<38>

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Here is an article on state practice of Holocaust denial (as practiced by Iran (and your "dear" President of Iran).
http://www.omedia.org/Show_Article.asp?DynamicContentID=2035&MenuID=722&ThreadID=1014010

I would point out to you that Kofi Annan has condemned The President of Iran's Holocaust denial and the UN last week passed a Holocaust denial resolution

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=22&art_id=iol1170089954778U542

"snip
Last week, the assembly adopted a resolution condemning "without any reservation any denial of the Holocaust." Iran protested and disassociated itself from the event.

Iran last year organised an international conference bringing together deniers of the Holocaust.

The UN resolution last week said "all people and states have a vital stake in a world free of genocide" and gives support to educational programmes "to confront attempts to deny or minimise the importance of the Holocaust." - Sapa-dpa"


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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-28-06 02:15 PM
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8. What an idiot!!
Edited on Thu Dec-28-06 02:16 PM by Jack Rabbit
One can denounce the Israeli treatment of Palestinians as unjust, but how does that cast doubt on the mountains of historical evidence that prove that the Nazis systematically murdered 11 million noncombatants or that 6 million of those vicitms were Jews or that the driving ideology behind the Nazi program of mass murder was anti-Semitism?
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