Bill Maher on Jesus Camp...

[bridgit]

Run time: 09:03 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=309MCU8TonE   Posted on YouTube: September 25, 2006 By YouTube Member: smmfryguy Views on YouTube: 1107952   Posted on DU: February 03, 2007 By DU Member: bridgit Views on DU: 1288

 

[AX10]

1. They aren't Christians, they are Fascists!

[goforit]

11. Scarey shit!

[rocktivity]

2. It isn't religion that makes one a religious extremist

it's extremism.

:headbang:
rocknation

[Ladyhawk]

6. I disagree. Religion DOES make religious extremists.

The extremists are the ones who have actually read their holy books--notably the Bible and the Koran--which do advocate violence against infidels. Having studied the Bible for most of my life, I know this is so.

Moderate and liberal religionists betray faith and reason equally. They know in their hearts that the "morality" advocated by an honest reading of their holy books is evil, so they become more liberal, betraying their faith. Yet they pick and choose which passages of the holy book to ignore or interpret "metaphorically" so they can still call themselves a Christian, a Jew, a Muslim. Thus, they are betraying reason.

Religion is harmful. Faith is not a virtue.


"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."—Steven Weinberg.

"There is no such source and cause of strife, quarrel, fights, malignant opposition, persecution, and war, and all evil in the state, as religion. Let it once enter our civil affairs, our government would soon be destroyed. Let it once enter our common schools, they would be destroyed."--Supreme Court of Wisconsin, Weiss vs. District Board, March 18, 1890

"Religion, then, is not all bad; and even devout religiosity has some saving graces. But on the whole and in the main? The legacy and the future of dogmatic religion seems to be indicative of considerably more harm than good."--Dr. Albert Ellis, from "The Case Against Religiosity", published by American Atheist Press.

"Faith is an absolutely marvelous tool. With faith there is no belief that cannot be justified." -- Rev. Donald Morgan (b. 1933), Atheist theologian

"Most people are bothered by those passages of scripture they do not understand, but the passages that bother me are those I DO understand." -- Mark Twain

"The Bible is one of the most genocidal books in history."--Noam Chomsky

"Say what you will about the sweet miracle of unquestioning faith. I consider the capacity for it terrifying." --Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.

"There was a time when religion ruled the world. It was known as the dark ages." --Ruth Hurmence, author

"The Bible tells us to be like God, and then on page after page it describes God as a mass murderer. This may be the single most important key to the political behavior of Western Civilization." -R.A. Wilson

“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” – Voltaire

"In the affairs of the world, men are saved, not by faith, but by the lack of it." – Benjamin Franklin

“Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man.” - Thomas Paine


-edited for "brain fart"

[rocktivity]

7. I simply meant that it's possible to be religious WITHOUT being an extremist.

And people who advocate violence, oppression, or sedition of government in the name of their religion IS a religious extremist, regardless of what the religion is.

Like liquor, religion works best when taken in moderation.

:headbang:
rocknation

[Ishoutandscream2]

3. Great dialogue

No one yelling. Fantastic, intelligent discussion and debate. Enjoyed it immensely.

[left of center]

4. America's version of the Taliban

America's home grown Taliban is what we see in Jesus Camp. By actual Taliban standards, our Taliban are more civilized. But by our own standards, these are some scary people that live among us!

[proud2BlibKansan]

9. I call them the talibornagains

and I think they are more dangerous than the neocons.

[pstans]

5. That movie is freaky

[NashVegas]

8. I Just Finished Watching This Movie

And think I'm exhausted.

What strikes me as the most important lessons from 'Jesus Camp' are: how easily Becky Fischer manipulates childrens' emotions; how (some) people have turned to fundamentalism as a way of rejecting trash (what they call 'liberal') culture.

In the final scene when she's on the way to the car wash, the camera pans outside of her car and you see an ocean of pollution, better known as billboards and commercial signs. And I think that's an important visual, that the director takes us from that pollution into the car wash.

[proud2BlibKansan]

10. She is a child abuser

She manipulates those kids. It's emotional abuse.

The part that crept me out the most was that little girl walking up to strangers in the street to tell them about Jesus. I kept wondering where was the adult and who in their right mind would let a little girl do that in public alone? :scared:

[bridgit]

12. i'm afraid to watch it, afraid it will be what i sense it is: godless mind control...

x(

[Taverner]

13. No one except Bill gets it do they

The Bible...The Koran...The Old Testament - all of them are extremely violent, many times this violence is done in the name of God - is it any wonder why the followers of these books are so violent?