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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 11:28 AM
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Melissa Etheridge wants us to reach out to Rick Warren
 
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From Juan Cole:

Rick Warren: "I love Muslims . . . I happen to love Gays and Straights"

I was in Long Beach,Ca. on Saturday for the annual conference of the Muslim Public Affairs Council, where Pastor Rick Warren and I were both headliners.

Also appearing on the stage Saturday evening were Melissa Etheridge and Salman Ahmad, singing Ring the Bells.

Before I go further, I just want to praise MPAC as the most wonderful people. This is the American Muslim community at its best-- socially and spiritually active, deeply interested in civil rights, and insisting on reclaiming their religion from extremists. Many of them are religious and social liberals who dislike fundamentalism. Anyone looking for a worthy charity to donate to in this season of giving should seriously consider MPAC. It is an American organization and only accepts money from Americans, and Homeland Security presented there, so it has all the bona fides.

Back to the conference. There are two stories here of wider interest. One is Rick Warren addressing a Muslim audience. The other is his being at the same event with Etheridge, who is gay.

more at:
http://www.juancole.com/2008/12/rick-warren-i-love-muslims-i-happen-to.html
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 11:34 AM
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1. Heads in GD:P exploding in 4...3...2...
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 11:34 AM
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2. Get real, Melissa. "Reaching out" to a professional religious bigot is a waste of time and energy.
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ThisThreadIsSatire Donating Member (697 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 12:15 PM
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6. Is it always, absolutely?
Besides, it's her time & her energy... and yes, I realize this response is a waste of my time...
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 12:57 PM
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8. AMEN!
Why are "WE" reaching out? "We" haven't done anything. "They" aren't reaching out. "They" are being aggressive (again). Hell, who would even engage religious bigots if you didn't HAVE to to get them out of your face?
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 11:50 AM
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3. one hug from the big ol teddy bear and all that talk about not paying her state taxes gone?
i see how it works

have another hug - and then when they turn away from you and throw a brick through your civil rights go run back and give them an additional peck on the cheek for good measure
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 12:11 PM
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5. her talk about state taxes stands as strongly as ever


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Brazenly Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 11:50 AM
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4. Can't watch it because I'm on dialup
What did Ms. Etheridge suggest we reach out to him with - a pointy stick, a baseball bat, a machete, or one of these babies:

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Creationismsucks Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 12:19 PM
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7. Short clip...


suspiciously context-free. This looks like quote mining to me. Why can't we hear whatever qualifying statements ad caveats she might have said just before or after it?
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 01:04 PM
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9. Melissa read this and then tell me if you want us to cozy up to Warren......
Published on Thursday, December 18, 2008 by The Guardian/UK
Rick Warren: A Wolf in Sheep's Clothing

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/12/18-7

by Michelle Goldberg

If nothing else, Rick Warren is a miracle worker in the realm of public relations. He is a man who compares legal abortion to the Holocaust and gay marriage to incest and pedophilia. He believes that Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus and other non-Christians are going to spend eternity burning in hell. He doesn't believe in evolution. He recently dismissed the social gospel - the late 19th- and early 20th-century Protestant movement that led a religious crusade against poverty and inequality - as "Marxism in Christian clothing". Yet thanks to his amiable attitude and jocular tone, he has managed to create a popular image for himself as a moderate, even progressive force in American life, a reasonable, compassionate alternative to the punitive, sex-obsessed inquisitors of the religious right. And Barack Obama, who should know better, has helped him do it.

Yesterday brought the news that Warren would be giving the invocation at Obama's inauguration. For Warren, this is a bit of a coup, since he seems to aspire to be the country's unofficial national pastor, a role once occupied by Billy Graham. He already played an unprecedented role in the 2008 presidential election when he conducted back-to-back interviews with John McCain and Obama, which essentially made him the moderator, and his church the stage, for the first joint event of the campaign season. By participating in that exercise, Obama lent Warren undeserved legitimacy as a kind of national moral arbiter.

Still, his taking part could be defended as an act of canny political outreach. After all, one of the great things about Obama was the way he tried to connect with audiences that hadn't previously been receptive to Democratic messages. It made sense for Obama to try and win the vote of Warren's followers.But honouring Warren by giving him a major role at the inauguration does not make sense. It is a slap in the face to many of Obama's staunchest supporters.

That's especially true given how bittersweet the election was for many gay people, who largely cheered the new president while grieving the loss of same-sex marriage in California. Warren supported the ballot initiative that stripped gay Californians of their marriage rights. He made the absurd argument that legalized gay marriage constituted a threat to the first amendment rights of religious conservatives. If gay marriage were to remain legal, Warren claimed, those who opposed it could somehow be charged with hate speech should they express their views. This is an utterly baseless canard, but one with great currency in the religious right, the milieu from which Warren consistently draws his ideas.

Recently, Democrats have been much concerned with wooing religious voters, and with pushing back against the conservative calumny that they are a party hostile to faith. But the way for a progressive party to do that should be to enlarge the scope of discussion about morality in American life, not to pander to the same prejudices as the religious right. Democrats could foreground religious leaders who articulate the moral imperative of fighting poverty, torture and inequality. They don't need to get religion by becoming more hostile to gay people and to reproductive rights. Rather, they need to empower the many religious voices who support both.

Warren is sometimes credited with broadening evangelical activism to transcend religious right preoccupations, but that's a bit deceptive. Much has been made of his work on HIV/Aids in Africa. In fact, though, Warren has taken the standard Christian conservative approach to the epidemic, which favors abstinence and prayer over condoms and sex education. I once attended Sunday services at the church of Martin Ssempa, one of Warren's protégés in Uganda and a major force in that country's devastating move away from safe-sex campaigns. It is a heartbreaking thing to watch a tongue-speaking faith-healer promise a room full of sobbing people - many of them poor, many infected with HIV - that Jesus can cure them, if only they believe in him unconditionally (belief demonstrated, of course, in part by tithing generously).

Meanwhile, while Warren says he opposes torture, he doesn't treat the subject with anything like the zeal he accords gay marriage and abortion. As he recently told Beliefnet.com, he never even brought up the subject with the Bush administration, where he had considerable access. Just before the 2004 election, he sent out an e-mail to his congregation outlining the five issues that he considered "non-negotiable". "In order to live a purpose-driven life - to affirm what God has clearly stated about his purpose for every person he creates - we must take a stand by finding out what the candidates believe about these five issues, and then vote accordingly," he wrote. The issues were abortion, stem-cell research, gay marriage, cloning and euthanasia. Torture, apparently, is something that decent Christians can disagree on.

One doesn't expect Obama to surround himself only with spiritual advisers that meet some liberal litmus test. It is savvy to try and co-opt Warren, who seems to love proximity to power and who might otherwise be a strong critic. Nevertheless, further elevating this terribly powerful man necessarily comes at the expense of gay people, secularists, religious minorities and feminists. Rick Warren is a deeply polarizing figure, and has said things far more offensive than anything that ever passed the lips of Jeremiah Wright. He has every right to preach as he pleases and to build his fortune, but he does not belong at the center of American civic life, and Obama shouldn't put him there.

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Rick Warren has a dream - it is for his P.E.A.C.E. plan to go around the world. He is buttering up Obama so he can come back and ask for money for this "dream" of his. And he doesn't care if the news of his African Church protege's shows that they are spreading hate filled anti-gay messages. Mellisa you need to listen and learn.
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Sam1 Donating Member (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 01:21 PM
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10. Bridges get walked on. What I wounder is will Warren be
be walking to our side or will he be attempting to pull us to his side of the bridge?

To paraphrase St. Paul; When with the Jews be as a Jew and when with the Gentiles be as a Gentile. And you can be as "Liars yet true" when bring people to the faith.
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