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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 02:13 AM
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Rachel Maddow Show: CIA Black Sites Torture Exposed by Red Cross Report
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Rachel Maddow: CIA Black Sites Exposed by Red Cross Report Never Meant for the Public
By Heather Wednesday Apr 08, 2009 5:00pm

Rachel Maddow follows up on her reporting with Mark Danner who obtained a Red Cross report on the torture that occurred at GITMO and made it public at The New York Review of Books. Rachel asks Danner whether he's concerned about the report being made public and if it will affect the Red Cross having access to prisoners in the future. Mr. Danner felt that the public's right to know about what happened outweighed that concern. From the article:

When it comes to torture, it is not what we did but what we are doing. It is not what happened but what is happening and what will happen. In our politics, torture is not about whether or not our polity can "let the past be past"—whether or not we can "get beyond it and look forward." Torture, for Dick Cheney and for President Bush and a significant portion of the American people, is more than a repugnant series of "procedures" applied to a few hundred prisoners in American custody during the last half-dozen or so years—procedures that are described with chilling and patient particularity in this authoritative report by the International Committee of the Red Cross.<2> Torture is more than the specific techniques—the forced nudity, sleep deprivation, long-term standing, and suffocation by water," among others—that were applied to those fourteen "high-value detainees" and likely many more at the "black site" prisons secretly maintained by the CIA on three continents.

Torture, as the former vice-president's words suggest, is a critical issue in the present of our politics—and not only because of ongoing investigations by Senate committees, or because of calls for an independent inquiry by congressional leaders, or for a "truth commission" by a leading Senate Democrat, or because of demands for a criminal investigation by the ACLU and other human rights organizations, and now undertaken in Spain, the United Kingdom, and Poland.<3> For many in the United States, torture still stands as a marker of political commitment—of a willingness to "do anything to protect the American people," a manly readiness to know when to abstain from "coddling terrorists" and do what needs to be done. Torture's powerful symbolic role, like many ugly, shameful facts, is left unacknowledged and undiscussed. But that doesn't make it any less real. On the contrary.

Torture is at the heart of the deadly politics of national security. The former vice-president, as able and ruthless a politician as the country has yet produced, appears convinced of this. For if torture really was a necessary evil in what Mr. Cheney calls the "tough, mean, dirty, nasty business" of "keeping the country safe," then it follows that its abolition at the hands of the Obama administration will put the country once more at risk. It was Barack Obama, after all, who on his first full day as president issued a series of historic executive orders that closed the "black site" secret prisons and halted the use of "enhanced interrogation techniques" that had been practiced there, and that provided that the offshore prison at Guantánamo would be closed within a year.

from: http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/rachel-maddow-cia-black-sites-exposed-red-cross

ICRC report: http://www.nybooks.com/icrc-report.pdf

Danner's article: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/22614
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Lil Missy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 03:18 AM
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1. Oh, that's just awful.
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 05:07 AM
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2. Shameful barbarism
that requires action.
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 07:32 AM
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3. And Obama Keeps Driving The Torture Getaway Car
It's already his (and our) "http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Senator/17">Steroids Problem."

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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 08:31 AM
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4. One more courageous journalist
The torture program is one huge bureaucracy that is a fiefdom needing to be destroyed. I just wonder how many other worthless programs are hidden in our intelligence bureaucracy.
I hope we will eventually have catharsis on this and other Bush warcrimes so we can truly heal our country.:cry: :grr:
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 09:46 AM
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5. Politicians don't change governments, People like Danner and the Leaker do.
The government has been keeping all this secret!
All of them, everyone, kept it quiet until the leak.

How much more is being kept secret? How much worse?
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vanbean Donating Member (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 10:38 AM
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6. :Hey, Bill Bennett, where is the outrage.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-10-09 01:35 AM
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7. If people aren't held accountable now then they will always know they can get away with it
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