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thomhartmann (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 09:49 AM Original message |
Thom Hartmann Debates Christopher Hitchens On Religion. How Religion Poisons Everything? |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
1. That was a good discussion. Thanks for the post. nt |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
2. I think Hitchens handed Hartmann his ass on a plate. |
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sellitman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:31 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. I'm in total agreement. |
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The Night Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 11:02 AM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Agreed. I like both Hartmann and Hitchens but Hartmann is a fuzzy thinker... |
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lostnotforgotten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 04:29 AM Response to Reply #2 |
61. I Think The Discussion Was More Evenly Balanced Than That |
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borelord (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:09 AM Response to Original message |
3. Hartmann comes off |
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mrfocus (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
5. Sorry, Thom |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 11:03 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. This is only the second time I've ever seen Thom lose an argument. |
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ihavenobias (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 12:58 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. I agree, and I LOVE Thom Hartmann. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 12:48 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. Radical atheism is becoming a religion without a god nt |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #12 |
28. Whole-cloth hokum. |
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shellfishgene (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
6. Atheism as religion? |
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TheCoxwain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 11:35 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Actually that is true ...Hinduism makes room for Atheism ... If you do not believe |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
7. Huge Hartmann fan. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. Actually I think Hartmann asked the questions that need to be asked |
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ihavenobias (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Right, Hitchens applies the standard we all consider to be the best for 99.9% of the life. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:17 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. There is nothing rational about ignoring other epistemologies, |
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ihavenobias (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:28 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. The problem is |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:44 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. I think you prove my point because you ignore centuries of philosophy |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:57 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. What history is being ignored? |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 02:00 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. That's what I'm talking about. nt |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 02:06 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Be specific. You say centuries of history are being ignored. |
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ihavenobias (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Exactly. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. More atheistic blather. We know what's true and don't tell us |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 02:24 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Perhaps for your 63rd post you could actually respond to the |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. I'm so glad you used the term ad hominem arguing because that's exactly the way |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 03:16 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Wow! You've added a healthy dose of the straw man to your large serving of ad hominem. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 05:13 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Yes, "irregardless" is a word. Maybe slang, but definitely used for |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Still won't answer the question, will you? |
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spiritual_gunfighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Hartmann didn't do well at all here |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. I would say that's because you are partial to the atheist argument. |
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ihavenobias (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:29 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Funny. |
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spiritual_gunfighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 02:07 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. Obviously you are partial |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 02:58 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. I definitely apologize for my unreasonable assumption. nt |
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spiritual_gunfighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 03:31 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. It's okay n/t |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 05:42 PM Response to Reply #17 |
42. Personally, I love Thom, and I can't stand the "Gin-soaked popinjay"... |
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swishyfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
9. Thanks for the vid. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 02:13 PM Response to Reply #9 |
27. Like many religionists who attempt to debate Hitchens, |
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mr_smith007 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
35. I agree with Hartmann |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 04:26 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. I have never met an "atheist" who asserts that there is NO possibility of the supernatural... |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Exactly. In fact, were the supernatural to be proven, it would take its |
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mr_smith007 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 06:25 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. That wasn't the point of my |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 06:27 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. You can rule out the possibility of BELIEVING in it, though. n/t |
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mr_smith007 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 07:15 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Well if evidence |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 12:26 AM Response to Reply #44 |
55. Science asserts proven, immutable truths all the time, like the laws of physics. |
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mr_smith007 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 06:15 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. That is the part |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 06:25 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. There is a big difference between an "atom" and an "omnipotent being". |
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mr_smith007 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 07:14 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. I am not |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 01:00 AM Response to Reply #43 |
57. Excuse me, but the idea of the atom was first broached in India in 600 BCE |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 08:16 PM Response to Reply #37 |
51. Your definitions of agnosticism and atheism are flawed. |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 08:31 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. I think that your definitions are the flawed ones. |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 04:11 AM Response to Reply #53 |
60. "The only real difference between the two is that one has a more negative connnotation to believers" |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 08:09 AM Response to Reply #60 |
63. According to Y-O-U. |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 03:53 PM Response to Reply #63 |
71. Yes -- as your "semantics" are according to Y.O.U. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 05:41 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. You are quite wrong about Hitchens, who does not assert a |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 07:37 PM Response to Reply #41 |
49. It totally depends on what can be considered as evidence. |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 12:41 AM Response to Reply #49 |
56. Well, you're wrong. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 09:18 AM Response to Reply #49 |
64. You obviously know little about "proof"as related to philosophy |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 12:36 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. You're now conflating evidence with proof. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Are you telling me that you can have evidence without proof and |
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stopbush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 02:52 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Care to respond to my question about history? |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 03:58 AM Response to Reply #41 |
59. If Hitchens is simply asserting that "evidence doesn't exist for god's existence" |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 09:25 AM Response to Reply #59 |
65. That is an absolute truth which is based on the Scientific Method |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 03:49 PM Response to Reply #65 |
70. Correct...and they are very limited. |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 07:51 PM Response to Reply #35 |
50. Exactly. |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
36. Hartmann is my favorite radio host....by FAR. |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 08:23 PM Response to Reply #36 |
52. You seem to misunderstand the difference between atheism and agnosticism |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 08:36 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Hitchens was making the case that there is no evidence for the existence... |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 03:29 AM Response to Reply #54 |
58. "no evidence for the existence of a supreme being" |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 08:07 AM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Of course there was "evidence". That's why science was used to bring it to light. |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 03:40 PM Response to Reply #62 |
69. No, dear...there's no "of course" about it... |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 05:08 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. . |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 07:38 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. First of all, it's "belief", not "believe" |
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