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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 01:55 AM
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Young Turks: Right-Wing Tea Parties are Just Misdirected Outlets of Anger
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 02:36 AM
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1. That's exactly what they are
They have to keep the lunatic fringe fired up somehow over the next 4-8 years.....and they're starting early
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Democracyinkind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 05:28 AM
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2. " But why? Because he is! ... No, but... why? Because he is a fascist "


Sounds like a rational, mentally undisturbed sane adult discussing.

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bulloney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 05:52 AM
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3. Cenk brings up good points on how high the new tax rates would be.
Like it or not, if you are to sustain a middle class that is the real engine of an economy, you need a redistribution of wealth. Otherwise, the wealth of this country concentrates in the hands of a few families.

The theory behind trickle down economics is a myth. The wealthy already have all of the money they need to build or upgrade a new house, purchase a new car, take nice vacations, etc. Putting more money in their pockets only enriches their estates so that their heirs don't have to work a day to support themselves. That's where this country has gone terribly wrong. We have too many people who don't know what it's like to live under a budget. Money has come so easily to these people that they are looking for ways to let the money in even easier. And the easiest way to do this is by attacking the tax rates.

We basically followed Reagan's trickle down, deregulated economics for 30 years. And look where it's gotten us.
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florida08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 07:10 AM
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4. absolutely
Thom Hartmann has made a case to roll back the Reagan tax cuts which has brought us to where we are now. The reason for the higher taxes on the top 10% in the early years was to promote the country and to hedge against these groups from stripping the power from the people which is exactly what has happened as now corporations run our country while we lose our homes and jobs. Most of these people don't remember or weren't alive during the 60's when our dollar actually worked for us. Here's part of Hartmann's opinion piece:

After the Republican Great Depression, FDR put this nation back to work, in part by raising taxes on income above $2.3 million a year (in today’s dollars) to 91 percent, and corporate taxes to over 50% of profits. The revenue from those income taxes built dams, roads, bridges, sewers, water systems, schools, hospitals, train stations, railways, an interstate highway system, and airports. It educated a generation returning from World War II. It acted as a cap on the rare but occasional obsessively greedy person taking so much out of the economy that it impoverished the rest of us.

Through the 1950s, though, more and more loopholes for the rich were built into the tax code, so much so that JFK observed in his second debate with Richard Nixon that dropping the top tax rate to 70% but tightening up the loopholes would actually be a tax increase.JFK pushed through that tax increase to take us back toward FDR/Truman/Eisenhower revenue levels, and we continued to build infrastructure in the US, and even put men on the moon. Health care and college were cheap and widely available. Working people could raise a family and have security in their old age. Every billion dollars (a half-week in Iraq) invested in infrastructure in America created 47,000 good-paying jobs as Americans built America.

Reagan cut income taxes on the very rich from 70% down to 27%. Corporate tax rates were also cut so severely that they went from representing over 33% of total federal tax receipts in 1951 to less than 9% in 1983.

The result was devastating. Our government was suddenly so badly awash in red ink that Reagan doubled the tax paid only by people earning less than $40,000/year, and then began borrowing from the huge surplus this new tax was accumulating in the Social Security Trust Fund. Even with that, Reagan had to borrow more money in his 8 years than the sum total of all from presidents George Washington to Jimmy Carter combined.

In addition to badly throwing the nation into debt, Reagan’s tax cut blew out the ceiling on the accumulation of wealth, leading to a new Gilded Age and the rise of a generation of super-wealthy that hadn’t been seen since the Robber Baron era of the 1890s or the Roaring 20s.

When Reagan dropped the top income tax rate from over 70% down to under 30%, all hell broke loose. With the legal and social restraint to unlimited selfishness removed, “the good of the nation” was replaced by “greed is good” as the primary paradigm.

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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 09:42 AM
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5. I was hoping more people would see this.
I would never have known it was posted (in the middle of the night!) if I hadn't tried posting it myself and gotten the "this video has already been posted" message.

;)
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 09:56 AM
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6. "Why?" " Because he is"
" why do you call him a fascist?"
" because he is!"

lather, rinse, repeat.

Someone PLEASE get this man a dictionary!

:kick: and R.
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newmac Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 10:01 AM
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7. Just tell the idiots the problem was just fixed; and they'll all go home.
Its that easy.
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newmac Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 10:12 AM
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8. Aren't they supposed to be angry that St Patricks day is called Potato Day?
If its misdirected anger; direct their anger toward potatos
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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 11:15 AM
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9. I agree that the people at the rallies are not clear
about what they are protesting - misdirected anger - but I think some (including Cenk and Keith O) have been setting up straw-man arguments about what they are specifically angry about now.

They don't want to protect the rich (it seems to me). They are angry about having the federal debt, which is already huge, enlarged, and Obama's policies so far - the stimulus bill, his proposed budget, the various bailouts managed by Wall St.'s Tim Geithner and Larry Summers, and letting the Federal Reserve run wild - definitely DO increase the debt. It's that simple.

The real argument is: are we getting a benefit for what we are borrowing money to do? Are the consequences of NOT spending that money worse for us in the long run, or better? Those are things that can be argued.

Putting our country even further into debt, no matter how necessary, is something to be worried about - it worried me under Chimpy, and it worries me under Obama as well. And THAT worry is what Faux has whipped up here, not that the rich will be taxed. The billionaires behind this movement, of course, just don't want tax money to be spent wisely (otherwise people will not mind paying taxes and won't support their all taxes=bad, hulk smash! scam).

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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 11:56 AM
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10. I agree, although NPR interviewed one guy who actually was irate about..
the tax increase on the rich. His reasons:

1) Rich people are the engines of our economy! (i.e., the John Galt gambit)

2) Someday, I hope to be rich too!


I don't know what fraction of the Teabagger demographic this particular brand of rube represents, but they found at least one.
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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 02:55 PM
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15. There definitely are those idiots in the crowd, too
I just don't think we should lose sight of the fact that increasing the debt is not an unqualified good.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 12:01 PM
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11. Many of them don't WANT to protect the rich.
But that's in essence what they're doing without realizing it. I think *that* was Cenk's main point. And with regard to spending, it's bullshit (from them) because they should've done this when Reagan tripled the national debt, borrowing more money than all presidents before him COMBINED.

Or even when Bush Jr borrowed more than Reagan! It's pure partisan BS for most of them. Yes, there are some principled types (unfortunately they generally have some radical and dangerous views on domestic policy IMO) who rail against both parties, but they're in the minority.

Most of them are caught up in the socialist, communist, fascist nonsense put forward by Fox and right wing radio. That's why you have people throwing out words they can't even define. And arguing against tax CUTS for the middle class.
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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 02:53 PM
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14. You are right, their selective protests about debt are hypocritical
and politically timed . . . I'm just saying that piling on the debt is something to be concerned about. Not that they aren't morons, and easily manipulated ones at that.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 04:49 PM
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18. I agree the debt is a concern.
It's just ridiculous that they (most of them) only care NOW.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 12:21 PM
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12. Once again, the recommend doesn't work.
As to the video...

We're doomed. That's all there is to say.

Americans are too fucking dumb to live.

In fact, as a group, we're too fucking dumb to deserve to live.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 12:22 PM
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13. I recommended something an hour ago (not TYT obviously).
Hopefully this issue resolves quickly.
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PatrynXX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-16-09 10:28 PM
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16. Kinda Ironic they blast Castro for staging fake protests...
but over here..... yeah they are using you. and Fox gets pissed about those comments.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 01:21 PM
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17. Kick n/t
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