Sen. Lieberman: 'We Should Be Able to Use Waterboarding'

[Hissyspit]

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1. Just make the terrorists listen to Lieberman speak for an hour - it's much worse

Nothing is worse

[Voice for Peace]

21. lol

but torture is illegal, so it wouldn't be allowed

[Mari333]

34. LOL

[DFW]

2. In some cases, Lieberman is quite right

I suggest using it to interrogate right-wing terrorist groups, NRA lobbyists, Fox commentators who
deliberately attempt to incite anti-government violence, members of Congress whose speeches indicate
they are in league with parties interested in violent overthrow of the Government (Bachmann comes to mind),
and former Bush administration officials who deliberately abused their power to the point of subverting the
Constitution (Cheney and Gonzales come to mind).

I can't think of anyone else posing such a serious threat to us as to warrant such an abhorrent procedure.

[Piewhacket]

8. Exactly right. I join your remarks DFW.

In general we should strongly oppose, as a matter of policy and law,
physical coercion used in any circumstance.

Such view is already our law.
The Fifth Amendment of the Constitution ensuring the right against
self-incrimination implies that interrogations done under color of law
must be VOLUNTARY.

In short, the 'debate' is really over reopening whether the Constitutional
provisions in the "Bill of Rights" should be repealed. The losers of that
debate apparently still chaff under civilized restraint.

Yet some discussions, like whether when a baby is discovered to have an
'aura of evil' about it, we should kill it by stabbing or by bashing out its
brains on the nearest wall, some discussions like that are not 'discussions'
at all, but simply invitations to violence. So too whether torure should be
used in the vague hope of 'discovering a terrorist plot' or
to 'discover a heretic'.

Actually, instead of these vague purposes, perhaps we might use torture to
'follow the money' of a criminal enterprise. Might we then have a tangible
and worthwhile success to report?

But in the end if, over my objections, we are to employ methods of torture,
then let it be done as DFW has suggested.

[DFW]

15. I think you got the jist of what I meant, i.e.

If it is unacceptable to use on those who advocate it, then it is unacceptable, period.

[Piewhacket]

32. Yes, I think so..

I think you were using a form of dry sarcasm, basically
calling the advocates of torture "venal" and "stupid".
Turning the argument around on its advocates.
I found myself in complete agreement.

But more, you also incorporated an idea with
deep philosophical roots, an alternative to the
precept to 'treating others as you would be treated',
as follows: 'treat others as they would treat you',
or perhaps: 'treat them as they would treat others'.
What could be more just?

This latter admonition is, or should be, the great moderator of the zealot.
There is the story of the Bronze Bull offered to a victorious Roman
general as a means of execution, where the victim would be placed
within the metal beast and a fire lit beneath. The screams of the
victim were to resound through the open mouth of the beast as though from
a raging bull. The mere threat of such execution would produce any degree
of cooperation you like. It is said (in the version I read) the general was so
repulsed that he ordered the inventor locked within and set a fire
beneath, and afterwards destroyed the beast.

A soldier knows there is no glory in killing, only a necessity.
Dying is also part of war. But torture and cruelty, there is no place for those.
I can understand that a general emerging victorious from a bloody battle might
see things exactly as above.

Let the lesson and warning of history be made clear: That those offering up the
Bronze Bull as an answer to anything may instead find themselves locked within,
with a fire lit beneath.

-Piewhacket

[zbdent]

12. actually, I say do it the way that they love it ...

torture the RWers' kids right in front of them ... don't just torture the RWers ...

[DFW]

16. That wouldn't work

They'd probably just see it as "tough love."

*as long as it wasn't used on them

[BelgianMadCow]

3. on himself he means?

I'm all for it.

Ppl coming out and stating this form of TORTURE is acceptable or even desired is just sickening.

[TheEuclideanOne]

5. He is a politician, this does not affect him.

If you say torture is fine, you are also saying that torture is fine for any of our enemies. If your family never has to be in a position where they may potentially be tortured, this is a non-issue for you. Politicians never send their families to war, so they can take any position that they want because it will never affect them.

[AlbertCat]

18. Politicians never send their families to war,

Not even the VP.

[Lasher]

4. I wonder if he would use it on Alf?

[DFW]

7. No immunity: just been revoked

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiXNUaSjXRY

[obiwan]

6. Holy Joe is a dipshit.

[Joe Chi Minh]

9. Maybe the good gentleman should start going to prayer breakfasts

presided over by one, William Jefferson Clinton, of this parish. Ah, how distant, how far away those days, of even Joseph's assumption of moral leadership seem now. How the sanctimonious, the pietistic have fallen.

From the New York Times of February 5, 1999...

"Senator Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut, who has been one of the harshest Democratic critics of the President's conduct, asked God to hear Mr. Clinton's pleas for forgiveness.

Mr. Lieberman said, ''Lord, may I say a special prayer at this time of difficulty for our President, that you would hear his prayers, that you help him with the work he's doing with his family and his clergy, that you accept his atonement.''

He continued: 'So, Lord, I pray that you will not only restore his soul and lead it in the paths of righteousness, but help us join with him to heal the breach, to begin the reconciliation and restore our national soul.'"

President Clinton, your prayers are needed again for an unfortunate wretch, who may well not even know his need of God's forgiveness.

[Hubert Flottz]

10. Water boarding might work well on those CEO's and bankers

who have been robbing and cheating the country and have caused the economy to crash and I think it might work on the televangelists to get to the bottom of why they are really on TV 24/7, preaching hate, discontent and brimstone.

Water boarding would be a great pre-election tool to help the voters decide what the politicians real motive for running for that government office is and if we are being lied to again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again...infinity

I wish they'd water board Joe on live TV just to show us how well it works and to shut his mouth for a few minutes.

[tomm2thumbs]

11. I guess Joe and McCain had a lover's falling out? He's not for protecting McCain's sacred issue

Once a turncoat, always a turncoat.

[Kolesar]

13. Fast forward to 3:30 so you don't have to hear Deputy Dog drone on about Mexico..eom

[tomm2thumbs]

14. I wonder what 'valuable information' they got from the ones they killed ••LINK••

Brian Ross co-authored this investigation piece in 2005 - it is more revealing now than before

http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=1322866
Sources Say Agency's Tactics Lead to Questionable Confessions, Sometimes to Death

[AlexDeLarge]

17. Can we use you, Joe, as a test subject.

I'd like to know exactly where you stand on a couple of issues, like did you really enjoy your 'kiss'.

[AlbertCat]

19. Hey kids! He's religious y'know! No torturing on the Sabbath!

[DaLittle Kitty]

20. Anothe DirtBag from DirtBag's To Go!

POS!

[TankLV]

31. And don't mix the different torturing utensils - gotta keep "kosher" ya know...

...now what goes with "pulling out fingernails" - is it the same pliers for pulling teeth, or should we use another one...

...and can we use anal probes for other "general" torture?!!!

[fascisthunter]

22. another sick opportunistic sociopath

Lieberman has embraced some of the nazi mentality. And he calls himself religious...lol.

[lib2DaBone]

23. Obama should have squashed him like a bug when he had the chance...

[cooolandrew]

24. Yes, we should Joe may he be the first to sample it if they ever reinstate it. >

:sarcasm:

[SlingBlade]

25. Gawd, What a PUKE Lieberman is

He should be waterboarded immediately to find out what his part in
the 2000 stolen election was

[Wizard777]

26. He's right! We should be able to use water boarding on politicians that think we should use it.

Once is too many times and 100 times is never enough. Quite literally. So Joe must be addicted to torture.

[Amonester]

27. LIEberman is like a torture-mongering Nazi now. n/t

:puke:

[goforit]

29. All in the name of Israel.

[goforit]

28. Step forward Mr. Treason!!!

[TankLV]

30. Did I mention lately how much I HATE that creature?!!!

what a fucking horrible person...

I just want some asshole to try to defent him - just TRY...

[Joe Chi Minh]

33. I doubt if it would have made a difference in Afghanistan, but how much worse it must have made the

fate of any captured American military in Iraq. That, in itself, is a momentous consideration - their lot being hard enough in any case.