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Maybe Ari Fleisher should try 11 days himself, without sleep?.. Then came back to studio to defend his argument over Sleep deprivation and other "techniques" who have been, and for all we know still are used when it came to torturing alleged terrorist and their supporters. The irony about it all, is that when other country are using the same techniques, then US as one of the harshest was claiming it as torture.. When the old Soviet and East European block was using many of the same techniques that the US are using in Irak, in Afghanistan, at Guantanamo Bay and good only know other places.. Then the US was one of the strongest critics about the misuse of prisoners.. And even that the East European and Soviet was pretty harsh in their treatment of "enemies within" they techniques look primitive compared to what US are doing with their enemies around the world.. After Stalin and the horrible act he was responsible for, the soviet seldom treat children very bad, they might was to live with relatives, or in children's home.. But never tortured as it looks like the US are doing in Afghanistan and Iraq.. If some of the cases we know about is true, then many american soldiers indeed should be afraid of ever leaving the United States of America again.. Then in fact, many higher up in the "food chain" up to the highest level should be very afraid of ever leaving the US..
In 1945-46 the US, UK Soviet and France managed to get an international war tribunal in Nuremberg, the german city where the nazis in the years between the world war had celebrated the "party days" of the nazi party. And it was a symbolic place to get the most criminal gang of them all, the 24 accused criminals, the most high ranking officers and political leadership in Nazi-Germany into the prison, and then into the cort where they should answer for war crimes against humanity, and other relevant charges.. Then the US was on the spirefront of just law.. Even today, more than 60 year after the Nuremberg trial is still one of the most important cort when it came to make government responsible for their crimes.. Even if the leadership of a country, that be civilian or military claim they was just following orders..
12 of the original deffendeas was hang for their crimes. Most was either political or military.. Some was acquitted because the lack of evidence against them - but later some of them was arrested as new evidence was provided or coming to light. Some was acquitted because of bad health, or otherwise of old age.. And some was not hang, even a prominent war criminal as Albert Speer but instead put into prison from 10 year and upward to life.. More many decades after the Nuremberg trial, the sole inhabitant of Spandau prison was a old man named Hess, a man who many claim to be nr 2 after Adolf Hitler.. Until his mysterious flying to UK in 1941, he should try to make peace with Churchill personally, because after all he at the point if time was the most prominent figure in Germany, and the NSDAP party after Hitler.. But he never was to talk to Churchill, and was instead arrested and put in prison.. First in a castle in Scotland.. And then in England - at the Tower of London, who was still the most secured prison in the whole of England - and in fact still are listed as a possible place to put high ranking political ot military enemies of the State.. The brits can be funny that way.. But Tower of London is pretty secure I guess still.
But, the case here, is that in 1945-46 the US was one of the original architect behind the idea that nobody is above the law. And that criminal behavior, that be on the rank and file, is illegal.. Now when the evidence against the former Republican Administration, from George Walker Bush, Dick R.Cheney Donald Rumsfeld, and down the ropes is coming to light, it is either up to US to get the evidence out in the open, or let the International Criminal Court in Haag get the job to arrest, prosecute and convict the war criminals.. I have said for years now, that the former Republican Administration not just know about the misuse, but also was part of the misuse.. Many American I have had contact with over the net on debate forums have claimed that I was wrong, and it was just "accidence's" who happened in war.. Now more and more the evidence is mounting, more and more that the torture the murders of prisoner - who in many cases at the look at it, was neither member of Taliban or Al-Qauda, or at alls as sympathetic to the "cause":. Of the many thousands that the US have in prisons around the world, it looks like most of them was not terrorist at all.. Not until the US was finished.. Then they signed up to blow them self, and most others out of the sky because they want revenge for what they have suffered... The former Republican Administration have made a lot of new enemies of the US.. And the list of enemies are larger and larger.. And it looks also that the crimes against the civilians, in Iraq and Afghanistan, and other parts where the US is now, all in the name of fight against the terror off course is been listed as possible targets..
Sooner or later some of them, who was responsible for what was been made in the name of US have to put unto a cort, to take the responsibility for what happened.. I fear that most american either doesn't want to know, or just could not care less. As long as the mistreatment of prisoner is not happening to any americans, or at least not "evangelical Cristian's" then everything is okay.. But most american have to remember one thing. Next time the US is invading another country, their soldiers should not automatic believe that the enemy should accept the responsibility that a state have, when it came to prisoners of war. If soldiers can be tortured by american soldiers - or more to the point civilians can be tortured by soldiers to make information, then the opposite is also true.. The US have in the last 8 year crossed a line it could be very difficult to cross again when it came to treatment of prisoners, civilians as military.. It is an reason the Geneva conventions both when it came to prisoner of war, and the treatment of civilians was made in the first place. It was because in the horrible war we know as World War Two, millions of civilians was treated badly, by the occupying forces of Germany, Italy, Japan.. And in some times also Soviet (who definitely have their share of blood of their hands when it came to parts of germany and eastern europe..) and in some times also by the Allied forces - but for the most part the Allied forces behaved properly - or at least as properly as millions of soldiers on a battle field could do it.. After 1949, every greater power, include China who at the point of time was just over a civil war who followed the world war. Even China accepted the Third Geneva Convention... And is signatory to most other Geneva convention there after.. Even US is signatory to most of the Geneva conventions - and should have treated the prisoners in Afghanistan, Ir ak, Abu Girab and so on accordingly.. But not in the Administration of mr Bush jr.. The evidence of misuse and war criminality is mounting.. And I hope mr Obama would work with the Justice system in the US, and the international system when it came to this, to prosecute as long as the law is telling it ot be legal, every single one of them.. And start from the top and go down the power line..
I hope that both ICC and the US combined can work together to make it possible to extradite the war criminals, starting with the former President, Vice President and at least 12 of the most important post in the former Administration of mr Bush jr.. Then if evidence prove it, get other into ICC too, to answer for their crimes.. Even if their crimes was just pushing paper - many germans was indeed arrested, convicted and put into prison for many year - just because they have signed papers, and pushing paper around the system - paper who after the war proving without doubt that thousands, of not millions of europeans was been send east - to their death in concentration camps, and death camps.. Even that the dark ages of Hitler is over, it looks like institutions like ICC is important still. To arrest, trial and convict criminals who have been doing very bad thing against humanity..
But, if US doesn't want to go true the painfully documentation about their criminal behavior, then maybe ICC must do it them self.. If they accused was ever to leave US, for Europe, to get the police arrest them, and put them into prison, where they can get a day in cort.. And even give them something that they never gave their prisoners, a trial lawyer who can protect them as best as they can. We in Europe still believe in just law.. And at the outrage here at DU, I guess most american still have a sence of what is right, and what is wrong.. And it is absolutely dead wrong, to torture woman, shildren and men, to get evidence, who might not even be true.. If you beat up a man he tend to tell what you want to know - not what you need to know.. This is something most understand, or at least should understand.. Torture is all about revange, not against getting right info.. And the right in the US have a lot of anger and resenment to revange I guess.. And most of is becouse their leadership have been bad, very bad for many decades.. All this "death to america" in the middle east have not grown up just over night.. It have a reason.
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