Sean Hannity's guest calls for him to be waterboarded

[Turborama]

Run time: 07:29 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMruiBVvt3M   Posted on YouTube: April 23, 2009 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: April 23, 2009 By DU Member: Turborama Views on DU: 2534

 
If you want to skip past the introductory disinformation, the interview begins at 2:37

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If, heaven forbid, there is another 9/11 type atrocity on Obama's watch, will they stand behind him like everyone did for Busch on that fateful day?

It's becoming clear that the likes of Hannity and Cheney are preparing the Wingnuts enough sound bites through their misinformation to enable them to say, "told you so" and thereafter try and shame Obama out of power. That's my take on their motives, anyway...

[tomm2thumbs]

1. hannity freak show - keeping the 25% of the US who loved Bush, happy

sole purpose

[orleans]

2. i started the video, but i just can't watch/listen to that little prick n/t

[Ganja Ninja]

8. Yeah I need it edited down a little too.

7 1/2 minutes of Hannity is 7 minutes more than I can stomach.

[Voice for Peace]

3. hannity is like a talking national enquirer rag

fantastic twisting of facts

[SkyDaddy7]

9. There is good reason why...

He works for the TABLOID master of the world at FOX "TABLOID" News!

The following word comes from the DU poster "The Wizard" I thought it was priceless and thought everyone should know about it and use it where it applies!

Those who watch nothing but FOX News become: "inFOXicated" or "inFOXication" adj: affected by or as if by watching only FOX News: FOXED

Again, thank DU poster "The Wizard"!

[Voice for Peace]

11. infoxicated.. that's a good one

that should be in that contest in the Wash Post.. where you change one letter to make a new word. Like "reintarnation" or "foreploy"

[madamesilverspurs]

13. I'm kinda partial to

Olbermann's "clusterfox" myself. . .

[info being]

4. Overt Fascism

His logic is that anything is ok as long as it works. Stalin's tactics worked too. The difference is that we are America and we don't do these things. I don't know why we can't win this argument, hands down, every single time. There is no debate.

[Delphinus]

5. Paul Begala

on Anderson Cooper (along with Ari Fleisher) brought out that the US executed Japanese soldiers for this very thing.

[Grinchie]

6. Hannity is pushing the envelope to see how far he can go before being indicted for Sedition.

Yes, Sedition applies today just like it did in the past. The Republicans pushed America so far towards Fascism, they feel that they can be sedititious because if they were Prosecuted for it, they think that the majority of Americans are so stirred up they would rebel.

Seriously though, I think that this shit is going too far, and the secret service needs to pay a house call on Rupert Murdoch, and his motley crew of fascist. This is frightenly similar to 1930's Germany and the rise of Hitler, only the Republicans don't have their Fuehrer yet. Maybe it's Glenn Beck. Who knows what the Prozac Republicans respond to anymore.

From Wiki

Sedition is a term of law which refers to covert conduct, such as speech and organization, that is deemed by the legal authority as tending toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent (or resistance) to lawful authority. Sedition may include any commotion, though not aimed at direct and open violence against the laws. Seditious words in writing are seditious libel. A seditionist is one who engages in or promotes the interests of sedition.

Because sedition is typically considered a subversive act, the overt acts that may be prosecutable under sedition laws vary from one legal code to another. Where those legal codes have a traceable history, there is also a record of the change of definition for what constituted sedition at certain points in history. This overview has served to develop a sociological definition of sedition as well, within study of persecution.

The difference between sedition and treason consists primarily in the subjective ultimate object of the violation to the public peace. Sedition does not consist of levying war against a government nor of adhering to its enemies, giving enemies aid, and giving enemies comfort. Nor does it consist, in most representative democracies, of peaceful protest against a government, nor of attempting to change the government by democratic means (such as direct democracy or constitutional convention).

Put simply, sedition is the stirring up of rebellion against the government in power. Treason is the violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or state and has to do with giving aid to enemies or levying war. Sedition is more about encouraging the people to rebel, where treason is actually betraying the country. Sedition laws somewhat equate to Terrorism and Public Order laws.

[Turborama]

19. Totally agree. However, I've a question about sedition vs the 1st Amendment

Thanks for the insight into the differences between sedition and treason. Are there similar historical precedents of this which these dangerous acts can be judged against..?

What about the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition_Act_of_1918">Sedition Act of 1918, could it be renewed? Not having much knowledge about legal matters, it's something I'd like to understand as this could counter any 1st Amendment arguments that would inevitably ensue...

[Grinchie]

21. After watching it again, I see similarities to the Punch cartoons in the late 1800's

When one looks back at that period, before Television was invented, the Newspapers published scathing political cartoons which did much the same thing. The only thing different with what Fox News does is they give it a superficial cover of Authority under the guys of "News". They also have the ability to shape the opinion of millions of people at once, regardless of rationality of the message, and I think that's the point.

Fascists rose to power on a whole raft of irrational propositions that seduced their citizens to give up their identity for membership in a club that absolved them of any responsibility for their actions. The platform of the Nazi's was strict authoritarianism and compulsory obedience. People flocked to them because they felt helpless politically, and frustrated that the democratic process served big business instead of real human needs. The people were also truly afraid of the responsibility of freedom, and delegated that responsibility to their leaders.

I think that free speech is important, and sometimes one needs to take a deep breath and remember that these people are paid hack, financed somehow by what they rake off the top from shows like the Simpsons. I do think it is irresponsible to work so hard to make them appear to be "News", especially when the majority of what they transmit is downright fabrication.

I remember that I was reporting a crime of destruction of property to a police officer, where a neighbor knowingly cut down some mature producing fruit trees on property that he had been informed was mine. I pointed out how the neighbor lied regarding his explicit knowledge, and the cop said "There is no law against lying". I was in shock, but I researched the matter, and it is indeed true. Lying does not become criminal until there is actual financial or economic loss as a result of that lie.

This basically describes the First Amendment at it's most corruptible form, because it does not explicitly specify the Right to Free Speech, as long as you are being honest to the best of your knowledge.

After sleeping on it, I still think that Hannity is a clown, being paid to be the pompous buffoon, spoon fed right wing talking points like a trained parrot. If people are so stupid as to actually believe a word he says and act on it, then he will provide a service by flushing out the idiots and psychopath's.

I can see how difficult this situation could be for Obama, but the US is at War, and when one is at War, one has the means to do whatever it takes to win. This I believe is something that the Republicans do not yet think the Democratic Administration is ready to use in the Governments arsenal to bring the country together to actully succeed in the remnant of the mess Bush made in the world.

I think the biggest problem is that Fox gets everyone to validate their existence, which sends a false message of an authority to the masses, when they are nothing but a tabloid without the page 4 girls.

[sam sarrha]

7. 911911911911.. The guy that planned 911 was driven insane by torture we did to him in Egypt, we had

egypt torture him several times a day, shit like cuffing hands behind back.. hanging the cuffs over the top edge of a door. then putting an electrode made of a piece of pipe on a wire up his ass then a copper wire inserted up his penis.. and unmercifully electrocuted while being beaten unconscious repeatedly with hydraulic hoses.. for hours then dragged back to his small cell where they has put a crazed vicious dog. they threw his food on the floor and he had to fight the dog for his food.. for 2 years. he vowed to get even with the united states for that torture and he did with 911.

SO I GUESS YOU CAN SAW TORTURE WORKS.. JUST NOT THE WAY WE PLANNED

THE ReThuglicans are genetically predisposed to torture.. and Corporatist-Fascist Cleptocratic Plutocracy. just look what they did to central/south America during Reagan/Bu$h41.. we are responsible for the torture and death of at least 240,000 innocent people.. i am sure some did become rebels because of what we did to their people.. the UN declared what e did there with milton friedman economics and Bu$h41/kissinger/rumsfield/negroponte mindless fascist brutality to be GENOCIDE..

I AM TOTALLY SICK OF THOSE RAT BASTARDS, AND IF OBAMA OBSTRUCTS THEIR CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION/CONVICTION/IMPRISONMENT HE IS ONE OF THEM AND NEEDS TO INDITED FOR OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE AND IMPEACHED

[FlaGranny]

10. President Obama is behind

the releasing of all this information that is making you and us so angry. Think about that for a minute. Authors can write books about it, but until the actual proof is revealed, you don't have much. The President has made it possible to bring the Bush administration to justice at the same time prodding you and others to push for justice by saying it was not his priority.

P.S. I think we've got us a very smart Prez.

[sam sarrha]

20. lots of what Bu$h did is already past the statute of limitation.. if he hesitated long enough to

start an investigation that it resulted in a loss to prosecute. when if he had not hesitated/obstructed there would have been a timely investigation and charges filed.. that is "Obstruction of justice.. he cant just say.."oh darn we missed it... that is a crime, that is collusion by default.

and YES i am livid they are going to go free ..after what they FUCKING DID AGAIN and got away with it AGAIN..!!!!

NEARLY A MILLION DEAD.... HIS FATHER KILLED 1/2 MILLION IRAQI'S.. his father looted $160 billion.. w looted Trillions and may yet have destroyed civilization as we know it.. you bet I'm pissed off they'll go free

[Grinchie]

22. I'm getting a glimmer of Hope again

And watching the republicans squirming like a slug sprinkled with a liberal amount of table salt is making me feel better.

[DUlover2909]

12. I wish someone would just tell Hannity to his face

that the only reason he's defending torture is because it is a Republican scandal. If the Dems had done the same exact thing after Oklahoma City or the WTC bombing under Clinton, Hannity would have called for prosecutions.

The only argument they need from us is that torture is illegal. Nobody is above the law. No matter how many people they claim were protected by torture, it's still illegal. Either change the laws and do your torture legally, or face the justice system. They can't have it both ways.

[Enthusiast]

14. Bingo!

The point that is lost on many is, it does not matter if torture was effective, it was illegal. But also forgotten is the fact that while being subjected to torture some died. This is no longer torture, it is murder. Fascists torture.

[lakercub]

18. Re: I wish someone would just tell Hannity to his face

"that the only reason he's defending torture is because it is a Republican scandal. If the Dems had done the same exact thing after Oklahoma City or the WTC bombing under Clinton, Hannity would have called for prosecutions."

I slightly disagree with this. I agree he would have gone after the Clintons but I think his vehemence would have been subdued. The main reason I believe this is that Hannity is a blood-thirsty savage and the idea of torturing criminals, prisoners, and everyone else he doesn't like really gets him off. If the Clintons had been torturing I think Hannity would have been conflicted. He really seems to love other people suffering.

"The only argument they need from us is that torture is illegal. Nobody is above the law. No matter how many people they claim were protected by torture, it's still illegal. Either change the laws and do your torture legally, or face the justice system. They can't have it both ways."

100 percent correct. This is the whole thing. They broke the law...end of conversation. We have laws and treaties that have been massively violated. That means prosecutions should be rolling in. Also, torture should stay illegal. If we want to remain a civilized country we have to actively avoid allowing our laws to become "eye for an eye" or "the ends justify the means" type laws.

[Grinchie]

23. NO, they can say they don't have the money to prosecute.

Too bad they have the ability to print money, so I guess that excuse wouldn't work for the Federal Goverment.

[Dollface]

15. Two things. If information was obtained from torture, there are interrogation experts that say it

could have been obtained by other means. (See Rachel Maddow show 4-22-09 for one.)

Second. Hannity says that the previous administration didn't keep us safe. That is a lie. Not only were there no domestic attacks after the first World Trade Center attack, they caught the guys who did it. I don't know why, whenever repukes say Bush kept us safe for 7 years as a means of justifying their breaking the law, torturing people and violating the Constitution, the response isn't that Clinton was able to do the same without any of those extraordinary measures and managed to catch the bad guys too.

Hannity also seems to forget about the more than 4,000 soldiers Bush got killed thereby topping the damage done by Al Qa-eda.

I think we should all let Rupert know that a show where they waterboard Hannity and the rest of the Focks News personalities (as such) would produce massive advertising revenues because all the left-wingnuts would watch it, with popcorn.

[Grinchie]

24. Don't forget the paper "Bin Laden may attempt to attack US" memo a few months prior to 9/11.

Did the analysts that produce that report utilize torture to get the information?

Probably not, so that's why Bush ignored it.

[DirtyDawg]

16. As I understand it....

...Hannity has said that he would consent to be 'waterboarded' for charity. I'll contribute to that for sure, but only if the deal includes he has to respond to certain questions while being 'boarded'...questions that would be submitted by those that also contribute to the prize. Just think about it we could actually get answers to those questions that we've always wanted to know...starting with 'are you still being butt-f****d by Bill O'Reilly - and don't take no for an answer. Then we can go on to the more mundane issues of just how often does he really believe the crap he passes along?

Feel free to add your own questions. After all, we could do this to the pasty-assed prick some 183 times before he runs out of answers - accurate or not, the fun will be in making the asshole suffer 'just one more time'.

[lakercub]

17. I have one fear with Hannity, Beck, and Limbaugh

I think most sensible people are immune to these fools...and I think their audience may actually be shrinking. Certainly they weren't as influential at election time as they themselves thought they should or would be. They didn't want McCain as their nominee...that's what they got. They didn't want Obama...that's what they got. Their effectiveness has clearly waned.

However, they are becoming more and more shrill (which I never thought possible) and I am afraid how they are influencing the sheep who still love them. A good portion of their listeners are hardly the best and brightest and are easily influenced by these blowhards. The more vehement they get, the more I worry that the more unstable listeners may try something rash. If Hannity is coming this unglued imagine how rabid one of his already unhinged listeners is becoming.

[Grinchie]

25. I agree, but I think if we are to grow, we need to be able to deal with the rabid dogs effectively

Without giving up our constitutional rights and our personal freedoms.

Like many things, Americans are solely reactionary and spend little time or thought on the process that got us here, and the majority of Americans are seeing how we have been lied to for many decades in an effort to control us. There is a mass psychosis similar to that of the great depression that is bringing up the feelings of helplessness in people, and they are being drawn toward someone that will help them out of their misery, to lead them out of the darkness.

When 9/11 occurred, I thought, whats the big deal? A bunch of crazy fools snapped and did an extremely violent act, disrupting society. I viewed it no more differently than taking a hose to an ant hill in the garden, blasting the innocent ants away because one or two stung me once when I was a kid.

Instead of building our defense, the "High Politics" machine swooped in an made hey to grab unprecedented power. Then, the evidence poured in regarding the Apparent and Unmistakable Evidence that the WTC 1,2 and 7 were Demolished as efficiently as a controlled demolition. I was not convinced until I saw WTC 7, and then, after seeing the Physically impossible collapse in unobstructed freefall of both main towers. Of course, not having WTC 7 included in the 9/11/ commision report was very convenient to avoid answering that paradox.

Now that the Republicans are talking about a 9/11 commission in defense of torture, perhaps it's time to remind them of the glaring omission of the WTC 7 collapse in that report.

9/11 must have been an incredibly expensive operation to pull off, but their is no doubt that it had cover from a large number of areas.

Whatever mecahnism that is in place to allow such events to occur and be exploited need to be exposed and dismantled if our Democracy is to survive. Government must develop the testes to perform these dirty tasks.