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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:36 PM
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Thom Hartmann.. Why Bush and Cheney Tortured.. The REAL reason!
 
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:44 PM
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1. thanks for posting this. Great cut from Thom Hartmann's program.
Edited on Thu Apr-23-09 02:45 PM by JDPriestly
Hard to prove, but I believe this was the motivation for many of Bush's crimes. He wanted to build up his political image in order to get the American people to accept policies that he knew very well were unpopular and not in the interest of the American people, but only in the interest of the wealthy elite -- including himself.

This is the worst depravity, the worst immorality. And he sold himself as a born-again Christian. What would Jesus say?
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:47 PM
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2. You're welcome JD
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patrick t. cakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 02:50 PM
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3. kick
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MedioGringo Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 03:20 PM
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4. Yup. The evidence points to that very conclusion.
1.) The people who designed the torture techniques based their plan on the methods used to extract false confessions from American POWs in North Korea.

2.) Torture began well before the invasion of Iraq.

3.) Members of the military have stated that they were pressed to find a link between Iraq and Al Qaeda and that the administration became more and more frustrated when they didn't produce.

4.) The best information was extracted from detainees using traditional interrogation methods.

5.) Legal justification for torture came AFTER torture techniques had already begun.

Therefore, one might conclude that the administration began a program of torture NOT to stop imminent attacks as Cheny has claimed, but to extract false confessions to bolster their support for the Iraq war. If the information extracted turned out to be false, they could simply blame the detainee for giving false information. But there was still one problem. Torture is illegal. So the administration had the DOJ write a series of legal memos to create legal cover for their actions.

Not a hard puzzle to piece together. Anyone have any other facts and evidence to add?


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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 03:28 PM
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5. K&R Bush is a sicko. Obviously they were going to great lengths to
manipulate intelligence to fit their agenda. Did the Downing Street memos do the same? We went to war over this crap and people were tortured....what's the hesitancy in seeking prosecution? Thanks for posting.
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Tutankhamun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 03:30 PM
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6. K&R! Thom Hartmann is as awesome as Bush is evil.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 03:34 PM
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7. Cheney wants freepers to think he was just having a spat with Obama
when the indictments fall, so his indictment becomes ammo against Obama and the US Government, his prosecutor.

This is all the same old, same old, manipulation of the public using the media, but now they are losing all credibility and failing miserably, even coming off as ever-more guilty.
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tex-wyo-dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 03:36 PM
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8. This is very much the argument that Ron Suskind makes on Andrea Mitchell (MSNBC)...
Edited on Thu Apr-23-09 03:37 PM by tex-wyo-dem
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boomerbust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 03:56 PM
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9. Thus
The reason Bush called off the dogs at Tora Bora. He did not want Bin Laden dead.
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