Rachel Maddow: Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, Ret. - "VP Cheney Frightens Easily. He Lives on Fear"

[Hissyspit]

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MSNBC The Rachel Maddow Show - April 24, 2009.

[aquart]

1. Thank you for putting this up so fast.

[Blue_In_AK]

2. That was a wonderful segment.

I hope the Dick was watching as Wilkerson called him a fearful little man.

[Psychic Consortium]

3. Becoming more obvious that Cheney is clinically paranoid. nt

[Pharaoh]

4. I think Cheney is

coming unglued and it seems all the nutjobs are on the TVee trying to argue his case, he is running scared, and of course Georgie boy doesn't have a clue! :rofl:

[tsuki]

18. I think he is running scared of being prosecuted. He is setting up a scenario by

criticizing Obama he is seen a being politically persecuted rather than legally prosecuted.

It will become the Murdoch/Hannity/O'Reilly/Limbaugh/Savage talking point if he is investigated.

[Hamlette]

5. Thanks for this. It was wonderful. He is spot on. Cheney is a coward. So is Bush.

But they hide it with the swager and gruff demeanor.

Small, girly men. (Only in the BAD way).

[ginnyinWI]

15. This meshes so well with what Lawrence O'Donnell said

on Countdown the other night. He said that Cheney believes that torture works because he knows it would work on HIM. He assumes that everyone is as weak and cowardly as he is and would tell everything (just like he would). Lawrence said that there are regular people, and then there are warriors who can tough it out and not talk. But Cheney doesn't understand that.

[Hamlette]

24. Wouldn't it be great if THAT meme caught on?

To paint Bush and Cheney as the chicken shits that they are, who pissed their pants on 9/11 and acted like the over reacted and behaved like cowards.

Which of course, is what happened. If there had been an adult at the helm, no way would we have invaded the wrong country, Afganastan would be back to growing pomegranates instead of poppies and I'd still have some money in my 401K!

They were cowardly about everything, taking a tough stand on the housing bubble which led to the bank crisis. They were praying it would not happen on their watch. They didn't care if it happened after they left office. Remember Bush would not even answer questions, he sent Paulson out there to say the sky is falling.

And Cheney didn't even want his house on google earth, as though that would help! Cheney is so good at crafting the image as the tough guy, the one who can make tough decisions, I fell for it all these years when it was really a mask to cover his lack of character.

[tomm2thumbs]

6. 'then let's do it' - good for him

sounds like a good plan - let's start with the permanent disbarment and move on quickly from there

[glinda]

7. Criminals often return to the scene of the crime

This may be in part why Cheney is still in Washington. He has now become consumed and obsessed with the possible accusations of crimes he is facing. What concerns me is his connections and connectedness to others that may be implicated. Possible dangerous people weather inside or perhaps even outside the Government/Country. I think it is quite possible that both he and Bush as well as Rummy, suffer from not only paranoia but also narcissism. Cheney believes his self to be indestructible. He will do anything, including violence I fear, to win and prove that he is right. Personally, he scares the living crap out of me. I am hoping that he is totally being watched, wire-tapped as well as followed because I have no doubt he is secretly meeting with what few rotten evil apples he is connected to. He is an evil evil man.

[islandgirl808]

9. everything you just said

i totally agree. he scares the crap out of me too!

[C_U_L8R]

8. One of the clearest insights into Cheney I've heard

He is consumed with overwhelming fear that guides his actions... from running away
from the Vietnam War to running away to undisclosed locations.

[Jeep789]

10. Spot on! Cheney has always been a coward

His hiding in his bunker after 9/11 was a clear example. Bullies usually are cowards and most of us recognized the tendencies in him right away. Time for the rest of the world to see him for what he is.

[Wetzelbill]

11. I had to have fun with a RWer at the youtube link

Sometimes I can't resist. I like to spar a little from time to time. :)

[wroberts189]

12. Amazing knr nt

[BrklynLiberal]

13. That was an excellent interview...

[tomp]

14. a thought occurred to me as i listened to wilkerson:

torture produces unreliable information. what if, and i know it sounds a little crazy,but what if cheney didn't want good information? what if the tentacles of u.s. imperialism, the cia, and mic, are wrapped up and around all of these "terrorists" and organizations? what if GOOD information would actually lead back to cheney and his cohorts? why was plame outed, to punish her husband? i think not.

[captainjack08]

17. torture, 9/11, WMD, all of it a stack of lies for a MidEast War

Cheney knew torture produces unreliable information. Almost everything that has come out of Cheney's mouth has been a lie. Cheney doesn't give a rip about upholding America's truth and honor. All he cares about is American world domination and covering up the crimes of his legacy. Cheney, the CIA, the NSA and the rest knew every goddamn thing they needed to know about the "terrorists" before 9/11. Do you know what type of technology they have?

Did you know there was a book written in 1989 called Journey into Madness by Gordon Thomas that explained all of this abduction and torture stuff that is going on now? That even back in 1989 the NSA was using satellites to snap pictures of the faces of people on the ground? (see p.304,340 and 352) That's what the book claims. What do you think the technology is now? You know there is secret technology to see infrared, and monitor radiation through walls? To listen to sound and voices through walls? Software like Carnivore to suck up everything on the internet?

http://www.etidbitz.com/listen-through-walls.html

THE GOVERNMENT SURELY KNEW WHAT THE HIJACKERS WERE UP TO
So how in hell did the government NOT know what the hijackers were up too? See, the problem is much deeper than most Americans currently realize. Its more a question of exactly what type of leaders govern us and what type of evils would they commit to achieve their national security goals?

If I had to make a guess as to what 9/11 actually is, it would be this:

Arab Iran/Contra style drug/arms runners allowed into the USA for "unofficial" business(drugs for arms). Business that used to be conducted by guys like Barry Seal at Mena, Arkansas airport before that drugs for arms operation became exposed and possibly morphed into an operation going on in flight schools in Florida, Minnesota and Oklahoma.

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/flight-instructor-gets-5-million-for-tip-on-moussaoui.html

Among these pilots is an "agent provocateur" who is guiding and positioning the rest of the patsies into place... telling them where to go to school, what planes to catch to what cities for what reasons.

The patsies come from places like Pakistan and Afghanistan. They are rounded up, given destinations and then labeled terrorist masterminds. Kind of like the now revealed torture confessions bruhaha that is now in the news. They are made into terrorists to fit a predetermined narrative.

OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING TEST RUN FOR 9/11
The model for this operation is similar to the model used for the Oklahoma City bombing.. a German guy named Andreas Strassmeier is allowed into the USA... goes to Elohim City and meets with another goverment Provocateur/Informant who runs Elohim City. Collaborates with that guy and the FBI to round up a bunch of useful idiot white supremacists like McVeigh to go do the actual dirty job. The FBI in the mean time allows the German guy to hook up with a KKK connected Lawyer in North Carolina and then escape the USA back to Germany.

So in 9/11, we have Mohammad Atta going to Germany, rounding up some patsies all the while U.S. and German intelligence sit back and watch. Flies to the USA to a flight school run by more Europeans and then we get 9/11 while U.S. intelligence again does absolutely nothing. CIA agent David Edger also had followed Atta and his Hamburg cell over to the USA prior to 9/11. Edger takes a position at the University of Oklahoma which is also where a plane ticket was purchased at the University's library for one of the hijackers. So the hijackers are followed all over the place and no one ever lays a finger on them.

Now you have to ask why does U.S. intelligence allow all of this to go on unchallenged? Then we could start talking about things like Florida CIA guy Porter Goss and his prostitution parties. The Chandra Levy noise machine right prior to 9/11 that had senior House Intelligence member Gary Condit in the news along with all of his embarrassing personal, uh habits. In other words, some of your leaders are likely being blackmailed into inaction. Wasn't George Tenet hanging out with some Saudis and talking shit about "The Jews?"

Oklahoma along with Florida and Minnesota have played major parts in the terror networks that continue to haunt us today. Ever notice how many weird things happen in those states? And how often you find connections to those states in terror incidents over the years? There might be some clues as to why... each of those states was home to flight schools where the terrorist hijackers supposedly trained. Look under the hood at the interplay between CIA/patriot/militia networks, Muslims and Israelis as they play their spy games that involve the drugs and arms trade. (McVeigh, Nick Berg, Moussaoui, Paul Wellstone,Ok. University former CIA David Boren and David Edger)

Why did we attack Iraq but not Saudi Arabia or Pakistan when that is where the 9/11 terrorist threat originated from? Because some of our leadership up at the top levels is not interested in getting the bad guys obviously.. they are interested in creating patsies to use as bad guys in their desired pre-chosen wars.

Is it just a coincidence that the U.S. and French have teamed up to scare the world with the new PIRATES ATTACK meme now that the public has tired of Iraq? Did you know it was the French who teamed up with American FBI and John O'Neil to begin hyping "Al-Qaeda" pre-9/11?

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/KUP310A.html

9/11 seems to have been a gift to America's Republican War Party, and Neocon types by Arab Agent Provocateurs and European hosts with a mutual desire for war and profit in Iraq.

To see where that collaboration began you would look backwards in time to how those parties collaborated in the Yellowcake Niger Docs setup, WMD lie, torture and rendition operations, Iran/Contra, Safari Club, JFK coverup and other dirty tricks campaigns over the years.

In brief, from the evidence we've seen it does not sound crazy at all your assertion that Cheney really didn't want reliable information. They wanted scapegoats and patsies.

[tomp]

20. thanks, captainjack08.

i appreciate your response. in your lengthy response i didn't see anything about my specific specualtion that cheney purposely used torture to cloud information that would lead back to him and his. can you comment specifically on that?

[captainjack08]

32. Cheney's motive was to weave a new narrative leading us to Iraq...

I was trying to lay out some of the tentacles manipulating terrorism around the world. I don't think Cheney and PNAC were ever really worried about any trails leading back to them... they already looked highly suspicious when they write up a doc pre-9/11 essentially wishing for a "New Pearl Harbor" and then get one as soon as they get in office. They realized all along that a small group of people were always going to be suspicious and point the fingers at them... they were more interested in weaving "new realities" in order to box people in. Cheney, Bush and the Media labeled dissenters who didn't see connections to Iraq as "Conspiracy Theorists" and "Tinfoil Hatters." The Iraqi men, women and children they abducted off the streets of Iraq were boxed into a group called "Terrorists" and "Al-Qaida." If you spoke up and said that you found it strange that a 13 year old kid and his mother could be considered Al-Qaeda terrorists you were boxed in by Cheney and the Media and labeled as "Sympathetic to Terrorists." Cheney and his crime friends were in the business of labeling EVERYONE and making them "Enemy Combatants" if you did not go along with their pre-emptive wars.

Unfortunately all of those people who got robbed by Bush and Cheney's crashing economy thanks to people like Bernie Madoff and AIG now realize that the conspiracy theorists were essentially correct... we are being fucked with and manipulated by hidden conspiracies within our own government. That's not a question any more. These days the only people calling people questioning the system "tin foil hatters" are the idiots and the perpetrators of the crimes. The rest of us all understand we have been duped and bilked by a rightwing conspiracy.

The Bush administration was perpetrating crimes in plane sight... they were just hoping that they could count on people's faith in America's goodness to keep people from wanting to see the rot going on under the hood. They held the same belief essentially as Peggy Noonan, that Americans will do as they have done since THEY killed JFK and not stare too directly at state sanctioned crime, but instead would allow it to remain "mysterious", that we would "keep walking by." It's getting hard to avert our eyes these days when everywhere you look you see THEM looting the country you live in while telling you to shutup and take off the tinfoil hat. There is no where left for us to hide our heads. The economy sucks, the military is being run down, we've allowed our jobs to all go abroad, and another flu pandemic(likely manmade) seems to be rearing its head. Those who still don't believe in conspiracies are simply useful idiots... the rest realize that it is time to balance out accounts and for those that have debts due, to pay the piper... because otherwise the country is irreversibly fucked. THEY have done this to the country and THEY need to be held accountable.

I don't believe Cheney was using torture primarily to cloud information... although that may be part of the goal... beating so many false stories out of the detainees that any truth has been totally flooded with false information. But the real goal of Cheney and the PNAC posse was to create some type of cover for the fact that the United States was gearing up for war in the middle east BEFORE 9/11 ever occurred.

http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/jir/jir010315_1_n.shtml
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1550366.stm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4587368/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2003/sep/06/september11.iraq

To go to war a trigger had to be created to get the American public behind the invasion. The trigger was 9/11..."The New Pearl Harbor" PNAC had wanted all along. The only thing Cheney, PNAC and the Neocons ever wanted was plausible cover for what they been wanting to do all along, wreck the country so we would be forced to give them more power to achieve their goal of American global domination:

[Ghost Dog]

16. The "over-reaction" to 9/11

Yes indeed. That's at the heart of it.

[Mari333]

19. Cheney is in fear of his own death

and he projects it outward to everything else. if he had conquered his fear of death, he wouldnt be such an asshole.

[FredStembottom]

21. Wow! Pure straight-talk.

I thought only weasal-speak would be the only kind of rhetoric EVER allowed on TV ever again..

I thought intellectual honesty was soooooooo 20th Century.

Mabe we are recovering afterall.

I am encouraged.

K&R

[ThirdWorldJohn]

22. This really makes a whole bunch of sense and explains so much about

Why bush was such a big talker with no substance like his 'bring it on" and his face after Andy told him the US was under attack. His flight away from Washington and his curtailing free speech and his civil rights prosecutions. Cheney even had the secret service arrest a man for disagreeing with his policy. Wet their panties afraid of the dark both of them. They were from the start nothing but scared little vacuous incompetents. Now let them be afraid that they will be sent to jail. Bush was always afraid of the press. Always afraid of his policy and had to demure to history being his judge because he could not even defend his own policy. He never acted but always reacted from fear. I still remember the press conference where he, after being asked a hard question, turned quickly and slithered away. This was during his first term.

[wryter2000]

23. Fascinating

I'm convinced. I've been very skeptical of people who say that Cheney is scared and that's why he's been on tv all over the place. I honestly doubt that he's in any jeopardy, although I think people like Addington, Yoo, and Bybee are.

After listening to Wilkerson's analysis, I'm convinced.

[mix]

25. wow

It is so impressive how people like Maddow and others are finally putting it all together.

Public will hopefully will pressure the administration to do the right thing.

[Seldona]

26. K&R

'Cheney frightens easily.'

Wow.

[Uncle Joe]

27. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Hissyspit.:thumbsup:

[butterfly77]

28. I've waited for years to hear someone say these words..

I looked at 911 and tried to compare it to Pearl Harbor and how it was different and I felt that the wingnuts were going overboard with their slogans and rants about 911 and Iraq.. If you saw the interview with Cheney and Hannity you could see the fear in Cheney's eyes..

[jeff30997]

29. Joe McCarthy.

I'm glad that he drew a parallel between the Bushies reign of terror and

McCarthyism.At the time that all this was happening that's what was crossing

my mind.Fear,lists,blackmailing you name it they did it.

[CLANG]

30. I love Rachel!

Sometimes she gets a kinda goofy, but she proves she is human. In an instance such as this, she proves that she is a superhuman, e.g., a compassionate intellectual with a television show.

[DeSwiss]

31. Of course he lives in fear. All RightWingNutJobs live in constant fear.

- That's why they sleep with their guns.

K&R

[pam4water]

33. Yeah thanks for posting. I usu sly miss Kieth and Rachael on Fridays.

[Muttocracy]

34. K&R. nt

[Titonwan]

35. Alright! A credible whistleblower!

This guy even has a Texas twang, so he's GOT to be persuasive to our Southern friends! This guy is GREAT!

[myrna minx]

36. Thanks for posting. I missed this last night. n/t

[Gamey]

37. You eventually buy what you sold

even if it is a futile attempt to save your own ass.