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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 02:00 PM
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Frontline - The Medicated Child
 
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PBS Frontline documentary (2008)

In recent years, there's been a dramatic increase in the number of children being diagnosed with serious psychiatric disorders and prescribed medications that are just beginning to be tested in children. The drugs can cause serious side effects, and virtually nothing is known about their long-term impact. "It's really to some extent an experiment, trying medications in these children of this age," child psychiatrist Dr. Patrick Bacon tells FRONTLINE. "It's a gamble. And I tell parents there's no way to know what's going to work."

More proof that modern psychiatry is a quack science.
This is a follow-up to their 2001 report 'Medicating kids.'






click for part 2-5
www.youtube.com/profile?user=vodacuza&view=videos&query=medicated+child
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 02:13 PM
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1. What are you? Tom Cruise? "modern psychiatry is a quack science"???
Um - no it really isn't

Now I will agree with you that kids are being overmedicated, but this is the fault of the pharmaceutical industry, not Psychiatry.

Also most ADD and ADHD prescriptions come from General Practitioners, not Psychiatrists


But keep playing.
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 02:40 PM
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2. Psychiatry isn't a science, period
many individual psychiatrists will readily admit that.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=b30iwhEw9ho

There's no such thing as 'a chemical balance in the brain' which is what the entire field of psychiatry is based on. There's no possible way to test for such an 'imbalance.' It's an impressive, scientific sounding terminology they like to throw at their patients to make it sound like they know what they're talking about. But no actual test is ever done so how can they know that? It's a fraud. You don't have to be freaking Tom Cruise to figure that out.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 02:42 PM
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4. Dude you are talking out of your a** so much it stinks in here!
Do they use the Scientific Method? Yes

Does Scientology? No

And yes, there is a chemical balance to the brain. If I give you too much Seratonin, you get happy. Afterwards, you are not.

I realize you are probably affiliated with that 70's mind control cult, so you are not open to reason.
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 02:48 PM
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7. They do not use the scientific method
none of the alleged psychiatric disorders are ever tested in the lab, nor can they be. The diagnosis are purely subjective and you will get a different answer depending on who you go to.

Watch the psychiatrists interviewed in the video. That's what they say and they should know better than you do.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 02:52 PM
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8. Um, I've worked with Psychiatrists, and they use nothning but the scientific method
That video takes a lot of things out of context

Now I will agree many antidepressants were rushed through testing into the market under the Bush administration. And many under the Clinton Administration. But to say Psychiatry does not use the scientific method - is just asinine.

I ask you to prove it. And no, this video is not evidence.

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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 03:19 PM
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14. Read anything by Karl Popper...And you'll understand...
He wrote about the scientific method and basically stated that psychiatry, using Freud as his main focus, is NOT scientific method.

Just type Karl Popper and the scientific method particularly and you'll get his readings.
---He's my favorite philosopher.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 03:24 PM
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15. Freud was way off, but since then it has legitimized itself
Edited on Wed Apr-29-09 03:25 PM by Taverner
Freud was also the first. The first guy to do something generally makes a lot of mistakes. Just look at how we designed the airplane. Trial and error.


Psych meds have helped me more than any religion or philosophy ever has. They have helped countless others.

Having seen and worked with Psychiatrists, let me say the last thing they want to do is medicate. Most of the ADD and ADHD overmedication comes from Gen Practitioners, not Psychiatrists.

Psychiatry is a grounded science that like any discipline, can be used unethically for profit.

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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 05:50 PM
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17. Experimenting on little children
is their idea of 'science.' When you consider young children to be no better than animals, as does the field of psychiatry, then treating them as if they were lab rats becomes a perfectly acceptable practice.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 02:42 PM
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3. Actually this was a balanced program. I watched when it
aired originally.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 02:43 PM
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5. I'm sure the program is balanced, and kids are overmedicated
Its the other poster's claim that Psychiatry is an industry of death, etc... that gets to me

It is not an industry of death, any more than making movies is.

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county worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 02:47 PM
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6. The problem that I see here is that many people will read the bull shit put down here
Edited on Wed Apr-29-09 02:48 PM by county worker
by people with a real prejudice toward psychiatry. A lot of people who could live a better life never will because they'll believe that shit.

I was one of those who listened to the bull shit and would not seek help. My life was hell and now it isn't.

So to those who think psychiatry is quackery, you are not doing anyone a service, you are doing a great deal of harm.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 02:54 PM
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9. That poster is just trying to sell e-meters
He was claiming there is no such thing as a chemical balance to the brain and that the field of Psychiatry does not use the scientific method. Next thing he'll be spouting that Psychiatry was invented by Hitler*




* Actually Scientology makes something close to this as a claim.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 02:59 PM
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10. The fuck are you blabbering about? I grew up as an undiagnosed ADD kid (nobody knew)
there even WAS such as thing as ADD back then). All my life, I heard the same thing from everyone: "You're so intelligent; why aren't youre graedes better?"

I started medication for ADD in 1992, as a 38-year-old adult. My 12-year-old son is uncontrollable without his Straterra.

Don't you DARE question the reality of ADD / ADHD. I, for one, know it's REAL.

Redstone
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 03:04 PM
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11. I didn't know were were ADHD Brothers?
Edited on Wed Apr-29-09 03:05 PM by Taverner
Me too - took a while to find the right meds for me, but eventually something worked.

BTW...did you ever read Thom Hartmann's book on it? I totally buy the "Hunters in a farmer's world" metaphor
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 03:12 PM
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12. I'll check out that book, thanks. It was kind of strange to see an episode on adult ADD
on a news broadcast and turn to Mrs R and say: "Hey, they've been reading my mail!"

Good to see you've found a solution, as I have.

Redstone
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 03:18 PM
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13. Yes - now if they can just prescribe me some anti-asshole meds, I'll be fine :)
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 04:01 PM
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16. Now. THAT's funny. I could use some of that myself.
Redstone
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 06:07 PM
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18. It's a gamble


"It's a gamble. And I tell parents there's no way to know what's going to work,"
child psychiatrist Dr. Patrick Bacon tells FRONTLINE.


If you want to play Russian Roulette with these unproven drugs that's your choice.
But good luck to you.
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CANDO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 06:07 PM
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19. My daughter has ADHD
It was an exhausting journey to get to where we considered meds. My wife was very against it due to her worries of long term affects and also any social stigmas. I finally put my foot down and said I will not allow my child to grow up hating school and basically not getting an education. These kids who are left go are the "bad" kids in class who "just don't want to learn". Eventually they come to "own" their outcast status. We worked very closely with her Pediatrician and got her on a rather moderate dosage and ever since she's pretty much been an A's and B's student who likes to go to school. I get very pissed at the know it alls who cast aspersions on things they know nothing about. Ever hear Lynn Samuels on Sirius? She rails against people medicating ADHD. She says it doesn't exist.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-29-09 06:08 PM
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20. Tom Cruise, is that you?
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