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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:30 PM
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Keith Olbermann Special Comment on Afghanistan: "GET OUT NOW" - 11/30/09
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 10:51 PM by kpete
 
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General McChrystal has doubtless served his country bravely and honorably and at great risk, but to date his lasting legacy will be as the great facilitator of the obscenity that was transmuting the greatest symbol of this nation's true patriotism, of its actual willingness to sacrifice, into a distorted circus fun-house mirror version of such selflessness.

Friendly fire killed Pat Tillman.

Mr. McChrystal killed the truth about Pat Tillman.

And that willingness to stand truth on its head on behalf of "selling" a war -- or the generic idea of America being at war -- to turn a dead hero into a meaningless recruiting poster, should ring essentially relevant right now.

From the very center of a part of our nation that could lie to the public, could lie to his mother, about what really happened to Pat Tillman - from the very man who was at the operational center of that plan - comes the entire series of plans to help us supposedly find the way out of Afghanistan?

We are supposed to believe General McChrystal isn't lying about Afghanistan?

Didn't he blow his credibility by lying, so obviously and so painfully, about Pat Tillman?

Why are we believing the McChrystals?

Transcript:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34209743/
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the blues Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 10:50 PM
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1. K&R for Keith...
...A voice of reason and conscience in the vast wasteland.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 11:01 PM
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2. Verily, he speaks the truth. If only there were ears to hear.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 11:03 PM
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3. One of the last great men of honor
With the gravitas of a founding father. I swell with pride listening to this man who does not miss a beat to protect this country from its plunderers. He is funny, he is snarky, he is so clever he makes my head spin with a cyclone of plaudits. His friends are very lucky to be in the presents of such a man and you can see that in his guests.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 11:08 PM
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We cant afford Afghanistan. nt
 
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 11:08 PM
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4. "WE CANNOT AFFORD THIS WAR." AMEN brother!
Edited on Mon Nov-30-09 11:19 PM by chill_wind
K & R.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 11:21 PM
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5. K&R! Thank you! From KO's lips to the president's ears...
:patriot:
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 11:21 PM
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6. Is Karzai Afghan for Diem?
Just wondering.
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SandWalker1984 Donating Member (533 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 11:45 PM
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7. Does Nobel want their peace prize back? They should.
The reality is that Afghanistan is about the 3 P's -- pipelines, poppies & profits (war profiteers).


Pipelines to carry oil and natural gas, pipelines controlled by the US.

Let's Speak the Truth About Afghanistan

By Eric Margolis

30/07/08 "Huffington Post" -- - NEW YORK -- During his triumphant European tour, Senator Barack Obama again urged NATO's members to send more troops to Afghanistan and called the conflict there, "the central front in the war on terror." Europe's response ranged from polite evasion to downright frosty.

It is unfortunate that Obama has adopted President George Bush's misleading terminology, "war on terror," to describe the conflict between the United States and anti-American groups in the Muslim world. Like many Americans, he and his foreign policy advisors are sorely misinformed about the reality of Afghanistan.

One understands Obama's need to respond with martial lan to rival John McCain's chest-thumping about "I know how to win wars." Polls put McCain far ahead of Obama when it comes to being a war leader. But Obama's recent proposal to send at least 7,000 more U.S. troops to Afghanistan, and his threats to attack Pakistan's territory, and warnings about Islamabad's nuclear forces, show poor judgment and lack of knowledge.

The United States is no longer "fighting terrorism" in Afghanistan, as Bush, Obama and McCain insist. The 2001 U.S. invasion was a legitimate operation against al-Qaeda, a group that properly fit the role of a "terrorist organization." But, contrary to the White House's wildly inflated claims that Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda was a worldwide conspiracy, it never numbered more than 300 hard core members. Bin Laden and his jihadis long ago scattered into all corners of Pakistan and elsewhere. Only a handful remain in Afghanistan.

Today, 80,000 U.S. and NATO troops are waging war against the Taliban. Having accompanied the mujahidin fighting the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan during the 1980's, witnessed the birth of Taliban, and penned a book about the Afghan struggle, "War at the Top of the World," I can attest that Taliban is not a terrorist organization as the U.S. and its allies wrongly claim.

Taliban was created in the early 1990's during the chaos and civil war that engulfed Afghanistan after the Soviet invaders were driven out. Drawn from Pashtun tribes of southern Afghanistan, who make up half that nation's population, Taliban was a religious movement that took up arms to battle the Afghan Communists, stop the wide-scale rape of Afghan women, and halt banditry and the drug trade. Both Pakistan and the U.S. secretly aided Taliban.

The ranks of Taliban were filled with young religious students -- "talibs" -- and veteran mujahidin fighters whom the U.S. had armed and hailed as "freedom fighters." By 1996, Taliban took Kabul, driving out the Northern Alliance, the old rump of the Afghan Communist Party and its Russian-backed Tajik and Uzbek tribal supporters. Taliban, most of whom were mountaineers, imposed a draconian medievalist culture that followed traditional Pashtun tribal customs and Islamic law.

The U.S. quietly backed Taliban for possible use in Central Asia, against China in the event of war, and against Iran, a bitter foe of the Sunni Taliban. U.S. energy giants Chevron and Unocal negotiated gas and oil pipeline deals with Taliban. In 2001, Washington gave $40 million in aid to Taliban until four months before 9/11. The U.S. only turned against Taliban when, at Osama bin Laden's advice, it gave a major pipeline deal to an Argentine consortium rather than an American one.

Read the rest of the story at:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20386.h...
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Poppies, as in drug trade.

America's Drug Crisis: Brought to You by the CIA
Wed, 10/28/2009 - 14:32 dlindorff

Next time you see a junkie sprawled at the curb in the downtown of your nearest city, or read about someone who died of a heroin overdose, just imagine a big yellow sign posted next to him or her saying: Your Federal Tax Dollars at Work.

Kudos to the New York Times, and to reporters Dexter Filkins, Mark Mazzetti and James Risen, for their lead article today reporting that Ahmed Wali Karzai, brother of Afghanistans stunningly corrupt President Hamid Karzai, a leading drug lord in the worlds major opium-producing nation, has for eight years been on the CIA payroll.

Okay, the article was lacking much historical perspective (more on that later), and the dead hand of top editors was evident in the overly cautious tone (I loved the third paragraph, which stated that The financial ties and close working relationship between the intelligence agency and Mr. Karzai raises significant questions about Americas war strategy, which is currently under review at the White House. Well, duh! It should be raising questions about why we are even in Afghanistan, about who should be going to jail at the CIA, and about how can the government explain this to the families of the over 1000 soldiers and Marines who have died supposedly helping to build a new Afghanistan). But that said, the newspaper that helped cheerlead us into the pointless and criminal Iraq invasion in 2003, and that prevented journalist Risen from running his expos of the Bush/Cheney administrations massive warrantless National Security Agency electronic spying operation until after the 2004 presidential election, this time gave a critically important story full timely play, and even, appropriately, included a teaser in the same front-page story about October being the most deadly month yet for the US in Afghanistan.

What the article didnt mention at all is that there is a clear historical pattern here. During the Vietnam War, the CIA, and its Air America airline front-company, were neck deep in the Southeast Asian heroin trade. At the time, it was Southeast Asia, not Afghanistan, that was the leading producer and exporter of opium, mostly to the US, where there was a resulting heroin epidemic.

A decade later, in the 1980s, during the Reagan administration, as the late investigative journalist Gary Webb so brilliantly documented first in a series titled Dark Alliance in the San Jose Mercury News newspaper, and later in a book by that same name, the CIA was deeply involved in the development of and smuggling of cocaine into the US, which was soon engulfed in a crack cocaine epidemicone that continues to destroy African American and other poor communities across the country. (The Times' role here was sordidit and other leading papers, including the Washington Post and Los Angeles Timesdid despicable hit pieces on Webb shamelessly trashing his work and his career, and ultimately driving him to suicide, though his facts have held up.) In this case, Webb showed that the Agency was actually using the drugs as a way to fund arms, which it could use its own planes to ferry down to the Contra forces it was backing to subvert the Sandinista government in Nicaragua at a time Congress had barred the US from supporting the Contras.

And now we have Afghanistan, once a sleepy backwater of the world with little connection to drugs (the Taliban, before their overthrow by US forces in 2001, had, according to the UN, virtually eliminated opium production there), but now responsible for as much as 80 percent of the worlds opium productionthis at a time that the US effectively finances and runs the place, with an occupying army that, together with Afghan government forces that it controls, outnumbers the Taliban 12-1 according to a recent AP story.

The real story here is that where the US goes, the drug trade soon follows, and the leading role in developing and nurturing that trade appears to be played by the Central Intelligence Agency.

Read the rest of the story at:
http://www.thiscantbehappening.net/?q=node/408
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Profits, as in war profiteering corporations.

Pentagon Pouring Your Money Into Afghanistan: Are They Preparing for a Very Long War?

By Nick Turse, Tomdispatch.com
Posted on November 9, 2009, Printed on November 9, 2009

In recent weeks, President Obama has been contemplating the future of U.S. military operations in Afghanistan. He has also been touting the effects of his policies at home, reporting that this year's Recovery Act not only saved jobs, but also was "the largest investment in infrastructure since Eisenhower built the Interstate Highway System in the 1950s." At the same time, another much less publicized U.S.-taxpayer-funded infrastructure boom has been underway. This one in Afghanistan.

While Washington has put modest funding into civilian projects in Afghanistan this year -- ranging from small-scale power plants to "public latrines" to a meat market -- the real construction boom is military in nature. The Pentagon has been funneling stimulus-sized sums of money to defense contractors to markedly boost its military infrastructure in that country.

In fiscal year 2009, for example, the civilian U.S. Agency for International Development awarded $20 million in contracts for work in Afghanistan, while the U.S. Army alone awarded $2.2 billion -- $834 million of it for construction projects. In fact, according to Walter Pincus of the Washington Post, the Pentagon has spent "roughly $2.7 billion on construction over the past three fiscal years" in that country and, "if its request is approved as part of the fiscal 2010 defense appropriations bill, it would spend another $1.3 billion on more than 100 projects at 40 sites across the country, according to a Senate report on the legislation."

Bogged Down at Bagram

Nowhere has the building boom been more apparent than Bagram Air Base, a key military site used by the Soviet Union during its occupation of Afghanistan in the 1980s. In its American incarnation, the base has significantly expanded from its old Soviet days and, in just the last two years, the population of the more than 5,000 acre compound has doubled to 20,000 troops, in addition to thousands of coalition forces and civilian contractors. To keep up with its exponential growth rate, more than $200 million in construction projects are planned or in-progress at this moment on just the Air Force section of the base. "Seven days a week, concrete trucks rumble along the dusty perimeter road of this air base as bulldozers and backhoes reshape the rocky earth," Chuck Crumbo of The State reported recently. "Hundreds of laborers slap mortar onto bricks as they build barracks and offices. Four concrete plants on the base have operated around the clock for 18 months to keep up with the construction needs."

Read the rest of the story at:
http://www.alternet.org/story/143819 /

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NOW WHY IS IT WE SHOULD SEND MORE SOLDIERS TO DIE IN AFGHANISTAN?
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 04:12 AM
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15. I hope they withdraw the award.

It only gives him cover in this exercise. It is not his any longer.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 02:19 PM
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44. THIS is the post I want to recommend! Pipeline, poppies and profits!
Edited on Tue Dec-01-09 02:32 PM by Raster
Pipeline: to India
Poppies: The Opium Wars redux? China? Russia? History repeats itself?
Profits: The Military-Industrial Complex *MUST* have continuing conflict--real or manufactured--to keep their profits coming and thus keep their shareholders happy.

We--the United States--are a warfare-based economy. We are the world's largest manufacturer AND purveyor of weapons and munitions.

War is a good business!:kick:Invest your child today!

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PSzymeczek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 09:38 PM
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57. I remember Jim Hightower
talking about the pipeline back in '01.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-30-09 11:57 PM
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8. Well said, KO...
K&R

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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:36 AM
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9. McCrystal led the most hideous torture regime in Iraq, allowin no outsiders to enter or see.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:43 AM
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10. Another civil war is about to erupt there with us taking sides.It will never end, will not make us s
safer and is only promoting the war machine profiteers.

From all sides except the right wing war cheerleaders in the press and their handlers this is a BIG MISTAKE...anyway you look at it, it is proven failure.

Can't afford it, makes us less safe, we lack the manpower, leaves us exposed and is dividing and destroying our democracy. Only the president can stop this madness. There are so many better answers available. We must end this perpetual war machine known as the US Military.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:22 AM
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11. KO could be wrong. n/t
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 07:23 AM
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17. Darest thou question a DU god, mere mortal! Heresy!!
What next, a suggestion that Dennis Kucinich might be wrong about something?
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:47 PM
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32. Teh Awsum-est post--yeah!!!
You rulez! Greatest job getting in teh dig on that commie kucinich!!!




Seriously though... Really? Your going to jump of an illogical and unsupported 'what if Keith is wrong' blurb on a post that has nothing to do with Kucinich to toss in another anti-Kucinich sub-blurb?
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:13 PM
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35. Sorry you didn't get it. The point is at DU KO cannot be wrong and neither can DK.
Does that clear up my comment for you? Both KO and DK are viewed DU gods and as such should not ever be questioned.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 02:03 PM
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42. And also, you see a discussion about sending our troops into
harm's way as an appropriate stage for a bit of off topic snark. Why you see it that way is the question. I have seen many threads here on DU attacking Dennis. Far more than questioning him, they often call him 'equal to a Republican' and such things. So your snark is tasteless, your accusation baseless.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 02:26 PM
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45. Here is a solution for you: put me on ignore. When I finish this post I will put you there.
Sorry you are so easily wound up and offended, but evidently people do get offended when you question their god. I guess you are the definer as to what snark is tasteless and what is not.
:bounce:
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 04:48 PM
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50. This is nonsense
No one "worships him as a god." Those that cheer him on usually cite magical things (at least it seems mysterious to the BCBS dogs) called 'policy proposals' or 'positions.' See, to progressives it really doesn't matter whether or not he saw a speck of light in the sky or is short or that he is married to an attractive model. He is right on the issues.

He was right about many things that would have saved us money, lives, respect, and jobs. He continues to be right about healthcare, war, the environment, and the economy.

But again, joining in an unattributed and pointless attack on Keith Olberman to leap over and attack Kucinich as well seems really, really dumb. Though the attack on someone that actually helps articulate at least a center-left perspective on television seems probably even more stupid. As a democrat it would be like biting the hand that feeds you. Sadly as disloyal to the Democratic party platform as the BCBS Dogs are I cannot quite fully wax ironically about how weirdly appropriate this metaphor could be.
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 03:24 PM
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48. I guess you didn't spend much time here during the primaries.
Lots of Hillary supporters were questioning KO after his "special comment" on her campaign's tactics. He was "in the tank for Obama", so it was said. The republicans used that same "in the tank" meme about Keith, too. I wonder if their heads exploded after hearing his latest special comment.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 04:50 PM
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51. Yup.
Keith Olbermann hasn't changed; he still stands up for principles so it is those that have criticized him that have changed, or have failed to recognize the blatant hypocrisy that comes attendent with unthinking and uncritical loyalty.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 10:28 PM
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60. Do you have a problem with what he said? nt
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 09:53 AM
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21. in what way is he wrong. do elaborate, please. n/t
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:39 PM
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31. Yeah
I would also like some kind of qualification of 'how Keith Olbermann was wrong in this particular case' as well. Otherwise this is just a load of crap.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 07:07 PM
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54. Drive by fruiting? Do you have a real comment or just slinging mud? nt
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WileEcoyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 02:24 AM
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12. The CIA/Military Industrial Complex will kill Obama if he gets out of Afghanistan. Or...
Or kill his friends.

Same as they threatened Ted Kennedy and his family for decades. The list of buried bones is miles long.

Hale Boggs (body never recovered)
Gary Webb
Mel Carnahan
Paul Wellstone
JFK II

And many more similarly or less famous
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 02:27 AM
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13. Profound. I hope the President was listening.
One of Keith's best.
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 04:07 AM
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14. The Pentagon is like a barber who is asked 'do I need a haircut?'

Of COURSE you do.

'Obscenity' is Keith's most direct description of this folly. Congress needs to intervene at this point. Our commander in chief needs to be vetoed on this.
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mstinamotorcity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 06:24 AM
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16. I saw KO

A lot of what I have always felt and thought about war has already been proven on so many levels. And people in urban areas knew that they did not posess the planes and ships to bring the vast amount of drugs that end up in the U.S. They did not need an article in the newspaper or anyone to quote stastistics. For that to be a well known fact. It has always been that drug users are the reason so many drugs are here. They reason has never been that they bring the drugs here to keep you using them or that they put the most saturation in urban area where hope and dispair are more prevalant. And the drug is the ultimate escape from actually dealing with life. We have the best armed forces in the world and i hate to see them used for projects that don't prodduce a better quality of life for everyone. And i truly believe that when our President went into office he was faced with a hot shitty mess. And on a lot of levels since he went into office we have been able to see that it really was worse than we thought. And please believe that if he was to start f--king with some of this well established corruption, they would not hesitate to put a price on his head. I may be a conspiracy therorist,but it may be no accident that a couple strolled into the White House dinner the other night.Everybody thought it was kinda of cute. Not me.I felt like it was a warning. we must be very careful how far we push our President to make the changes we want. As a brilliant thinker i believe that with our help we can set things into motion for the dominoes to fall down around them without losing a great man of history. Still waiting for one voice.
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twitfinder Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 10:51 AM
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25. "I may be a conspiracy therorist,"
Ya think?????????????
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mstinamotorcity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:16 PM
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37. Welcome
to DU hope you enjoy the different points of view. Waiting to read yours.
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twitfinder Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:51 PM
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41. Hi Ms. Tina
Edited on Tue Dec-01-09 01:53 PM by twitfinder
Thanks so much for the welcome. :-) I opined, in an acerbic way, below.

To suggest the conspiracy theory promulgated above seems to me, in a pickle-minded sort of way, to lend much less credence to the opinion of the author of said post. Shall we do the "you can't prove that unicorns DON'T exist" dance?
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mstinamotorcity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 02:09 PM
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43. personally
i like the mythical idea of unicorns, but i have been in this world for half a century now and just when you think you have read all the bulls--t you can read there is some more bs. I have a belief that together we can do anything. Even if sometimes we don't agree on the method of getting there,i just want us to get there. Most of the things that we told was only our liberal minds playing tricks on us turned out to be true. So though i have not seen a unicorn i have saw fear,hate,lack of conscience,greed,and plain old f--k you from the previous administration,so if its a choice, lets choose option three. Got no time to be searching for unicorns.:-) :-) But have a lot of time to keep the knowledge going.And listening,and making sure that we keep our President accountable and safe.
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 10:51 PM
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61. Remember "Raymond Lee Harvey" and "Osvaldo Ortiz"?
Edited on Tue Dec-01-09 10:51 PM by RufusTFirefly
Lee Harvey and Osvaldo were arrested by the Secret Service a few minutes before President Jimmy Carter was to give a speech in Los Angeles in 1979. Lee Harvey was carrying a starter pistol with blank rounds.

Message received.
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 09:05 AM
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18. Thank you, Keith.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 09:21 AM
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19. Definitely one of the best special comments in recent memory
Absolutely correct, don't make this mistake Mr. President.
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 09:45 AM
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20. K&R
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 10:09 AM
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22. K&R
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 10:41 AM
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23. excellent - thank you Keith!
Thoughtfully stated, polite and direct. Let's hope it wasn't wasted on deaf ears.
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twitfinder Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 10:45 AM
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24. I'm certain now......
that, after listening to this diatribe from Mr. Olbermann, that our esteemed president will say tonight, "ya know what? After listening to Olbermann, I've changed my mind. We'll be out of Afghanistan by February." ROFL I wonder where in Canada Keith is looking for a house.
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Hard2believe Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:00 PM
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30. seems to me
that you have taken a break from your Newsmax residency.
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twitfinder Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:47 PM
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40. It's called...
sarcasm, Hard2.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 11:02 AM
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26. But, but. Isn't it our war now?
Doesn't that make it a good thing?
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 11:18 AM
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27. K&R.
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twitfinder Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 11:27 AM
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28. BREAKING NEWS.........
"CONFIRMED: An Obama administration official tells POLITICO the president is sending 30,000 new troops to Afghanistan. -- Carol E. Lee (10:50 a.m.)" And Gibbs said this morning on TV that they will be sent in much more quickly that the original 2 years that Gen. McChrystal asked for, so that there is a bigger "punch."

Hope and change or we hope for a change that he gets something right???
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 11:36 AM
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29. oh please....
Hello Chorus.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 12:55 PM
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33. K&R - thank you again & again Keith
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:03 PM
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34. Keith dumping like this saddens me greatly.
He KNOWS better. McDeadkidcrackhead wanted upwards of 40K. He's getting what, 30+? Can we hang together long enough to allow "the elected janitor" to whistle his tune and let's see who hears what? :freak:
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 03:08 PM
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46. I work on a military base
and colleagues and I have an escape plan should "Fort Hood Redux" happen in our neck-of-the-woods. Obama's military plan surely heights the chances.
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Stainless Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:15 PM
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36. Vietnam redux
Many of us have lived through this same scenario before. Lyndon Johnson lost his presidency when he unwisely decided to send more troops and money to Vietnam.
I voted for Obama because he was better than McCain/Palin IMO. Although Obama has been a big disappointment so far I still could have voted for him again in 2012. His Afghan decision however, ensures that he will no longer have my vote. Do we have grounds to recall this President?
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:17 PM
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38. K&R
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CRH Donating Member (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 01:24 PM
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39. K&R, ... n/t
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 03:13 PM
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47. Olbermann is a genius
even though he spouts the obvious, he does it with all the clarity research and history can provide.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 04:09 PM
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49. K&R n/t
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 06:32 PM
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52. Keith
Keith has admitted he doesn't have enough coordination to drive a car!

Most God's I know at least know how to drive!

I adore Keith and his practice of brave hard hitting journalism combined with delightful humor, but he's no God in my book.

Now, Frank Zappa, there was a God!

-90% Jimmy
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PSzymeczek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 09:48 PM
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58. It's not lack of coordination,
It's lack of depth perception due to a concussion. He hit his head while boarding a subway car several years back.
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 09:53 PM
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59. Thanks
thanks for the concise clarification. I recall Kieth mentioned it in a self deprecating way, so I thought it was more ingrained than an accident.

Once again, I thank you and I like facts!

-90% jimmy
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 07:03 PM
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53. UH-OH....
I think what Obama has said is I can fight a war cheaper, smarter, quicker then any of the Republicans ever did.

I guess this move will end the historical debate about which party fights wars better but, all of the death will belong Obama, that much is sure. How can he sleep at night?
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mother earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 07:25 PM
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55. War...what is it good for! And we voted for change to get us
the hell out of both wars...and now we're looking at 3 more years just for Afghanistan?

It's time for peace marches...it's past time. We trusted we would be out when Obama was in, or the window of an exit strategy would be months, not friggin years.

To listen to the warmongering general is BANANAS!!!
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-01-09 07:39 PM
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56. And allow theTaliban to take over again? And allow Al Qaeda back? Get real.
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