Naomi Klein Issues Haiti Disaster Capitalism Alert: Stop Them Before They Shock Again

[Joanne98]

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Journalist and author Naomi Klein spoke in New York last night and addressed the crisis in Haiti: We have to be absolutely clear that this tragedy—which is part natural, part unnatural—must, under no circumstances, be used to, one, further indebt Haiti and, two, to push through unpopular corporatist policies in the interest of our corporations. This is not conspiracy theory. They have done it again and again.

[lib2DaBone]

1. The Corporate and Free Market Zombies will be here shortly...

..to attack Naomi Klein as a Socialist and anti-American.

[Alameda]

48. they have arrived already....

[still_one]

2. I tell you what naomi, now is the time to save lives. You can deal with "disaster capitalism" later

It would be nice if you had a sense of priority

[mmonk]

3. Why do you think these countries do not have the resources

themselves?

[urgk]

5. Is it your understanding that we cannot do both?

That we can't help while being vigilant?

Because that doesn't seem necessarily true. Or well thought out. It seems to me that we are perfectly capable of responding to a disaster while guarding against those interests who would take advantage of that disaster.

[peacetalksforall]

8. We are here, we can't help make a splint. We can't work at the air control tower. We need

to anticipate and we know how to anticipate. We need to blast the world with a position and she has stated it. There is more work to be done. First, we let them know we are suspicious, that we are watching, and analyzing.

If only we had a fly on the wall at IMF and the World Bank, But, their and our evil history for Haiti is well known and stuff does come out. We have to start watching for the stuff and expose them.

We can start by watching the contracts for work. If the old hands in profiting are involved, we know where the work is.

Expose. Expose. For now, work on their history, not ours - their ugly inhuman histories.

In other words, I don't agree with your position. At all. Naomi Klien speaks for people with a heart and care for people and country.

[Mithreal]

9. Well done

:applause:

[defendandprotect]

38. Wonderful post . . .K&R

[ooglymoogly]

52. +1

Its disheartening to see so many freeptards on this site.

[elleng]

89. Shouldn't we keep THEM out, IMF, World Bank?

And watch others, do what we can to assure cash infusions are NOT LOANS, but grants?

[Mithreal]

10. You would divert our attention from neocon and neoliberal agendas. Why?

We can do both, save lives and prevent further hostile actions against this country.

[Lorien]

79. Gotta maintain those creds of being "still one"

and s/he sure as hell is Still one, there's no doubt about that!

[tomp]

12. that, because you missed it, is exactly her point.

save lives, assist haiti and haitians, and do ONLY that.

and also, because in general you have missed it, there is no time but NOW, to fight disaster capitalism. it makes absolutely no sense to close the barn door AFTER the horse is gone.

your cluelessness is astounding.

[ooglymoogly]

51. +1

[amyrose2712]

91. +112 !

[earth mom]

15. The corporate sharks don't give a shit about saving lives. That's what Naomi is saying.

Get a clue. :eyes:

[defendandprotect]

39. And pity any who have not yet figured that out ----

:)

[icee]

18. I agree with you a 100%. This woman is too self-aggrandizing

for me anymore. She has allowed her ego to get in the way of her message.

[still_one]

21. I really find it quite poor taste in the middle of a disaster to use it for politics

Right now you don't need to alienate anyone, including corporations, to try and get help when they need it the most

[icee]

31. Copy that---

[LaPera]

35. The fucking corporations are NOT waiting as Naomi points out - Stupid fucks!

The corporations are working overtime to jump on this now as they do in every disaster, the corporations KNOW the time to exploit is IMMEDIATELY!! While EVERYONE is looking the other way....Thank you Naomi, you're correct!

The stupid fucks who ignore all except saying well, I, me mine, I'M sending money for food, nothing should get in the way...No it shouldn't....after all the bullshit occurs....they'll say gee how did this happen to this poor country we were sending food& supplies ...again, stupid fucks can't do two things at once, to help the people and keep the corporations from capitalizing on this disaster...no stupid fucks want to point fingers at people warning them BEFORE it's fucking too late...but stupid fucks are far too dim and get their lack of importance and ego in the way, as they believe they are oh-so-righteous...Stupid Fucks!

Everyone should give, fuck go there and fucking help out...they can use all the help they can get from EVERYONE...but don't be a stupid fuck and believe that's all they need.. not seeing ways these corporate sharks finding to profit and capitalize on the disaster years and years after it's been been over & over again in the past and no one is better for it, yet you've forgotten have the usual tunnel vision about it and go on to some more finger pointing....as you will do now.

The disaster is real and so are the capitalist corporations, IMF & World Bank...All should help out unfortunately, REALITY folks, not everyone sees it that way.... But stupid fucks ONLY see what's right in front of their faces...NEVER see the peripheral - which matters so much in the future to help and make sure a quake of this magnitude won't devastate every facet that could of been controlled and avoided...again the self-righteous are just too fucking shallow to see past the TV headlines they are seduced by oh we are helping so much, don't get in our way with facts....they really have no ideas or original thoughts of their own...Just want everyone to believe they are so fucking righteous....yet can't see the importance of recognizing the corporate fascist cannibals who will cause this to happen again and make matters worse....Thinking of two things at once dazes & mystifies these slow witted lunk-headed stupid fucks!

What is anyone doing right now, now that you've sent your donations of help and ALL your concentration is on watching every TV show (which TV certainly isn't going to tell you what Klein is trying to warn you about), while munching & drinking in your comfy living room. What are you doing tonight and the weekend (it does take long to simply think) what's so important that the self-righteous can't even think about ways to expose & fight these corporate predators that Klein (have you even read her book) speaks so expertly about?

[icee]

50. Very informative post...Not. What is about to happen to the US will

make us understand Haiti even more. I answer to a higher power than the corporatists, who will get theirs some day. And even if Naomi Klein kills a relative few as a result of people listening to her and determining that they will not send money or food, she still has killed that many and will have to answer to a higher power as to who does she think she is forcing people to deny the least of these food in their time of peril. And to you, He will just rumble "tsk, tsk."

[bjobotts]

64. Nonsense.Bitch at Falwell and Rush comments.Do U even know about the rice tarriff, sugar sweat shops

[bjobotts]

65. Why so many died from no building codes etc.Your ignorance is appauling.

[bjobotts]

66. No emergency mgmnt systems etc and here you condemn and speak for GOD? What an ego

[bjobotts]

67. To this day no one can account for the millions sent to Pat Robertson to aid Katrina victims

[icee]

86. Don't presume what I do or do not know, Mr. Rant. I know there are

inequities and false situations in life, but at the final moment when life meets death, I will be trying to aid life, whereas people like you will allow death for basically political abstractions. For you and those like you there can never be a final judge. You are it: the decider...in reality, the noisy gong or the clanging cymbal. I suppose you have some merit somewhere. There actually may be a Vulcan.

[Karenina]

96. The Haitians back Naomi's observations...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F5TwEK24sA&feature=channel

[defendandprotect]

41. Rather, I found the BAIL OUTS in "poor taste" . . . and it should be the corporations ....

which are concerned about "alienating" the taxpayer who has saved them

once again!

And where their next taxpayer dollar might be coming from!

Wake up!

[donheld]

77. Did you lambaste, with the same venim, the Heritiage foundation for

using a disaster for politics? I highly doubt it.

[defendandprotect]

40. Ah . . .. "uppity woman" ... eh?

Naomi Klein is sounding the warning -

and any who do not yet undertand corporatism/fascism had best wake up to it!

Handy that men have no "ego" . . . !!!


:eyes:

[LaPera]

43. Correct, you've got it!

[ooglymoogly]

61. dupe

icee, just_one and Lapara are you a tag team.

[ooglymoogly]

63. Upety freepers are the problem here.

icee, just_one and Lapara, are you a tag team and who pays you?

[bjobotts]

59. Then you're an idiot to think saving lives is not her priority too. Heed her warning

[bjobotts]

60. "Forget about those people robbing the vault and get these hurt customers out"

[bjobotts]

62. Hey goober, it only takes a second to shut the vault door. But you say sshhh.

[defendandprotect]

37. One of the ugliest and most feared words today is "Capitalism" ....

You had best wake up to the conspiracy which is done behind WAR and behind tragedy of

any kind by elites --

The two next words are "corporatism/fascism" ---

[Karenina]

98. Seems Naomi NAILED IT YET AGAIN!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7490771

[ooglymoogly]

49. You are erecting a straw man

She is saying we have to make sure by helping them, that, that help must be from generosity and not based in greed. Helping by indenturing them is not really help and I agree with her and it is not such a difficult task to do so.

[bjobotts]

55. That is EXACTLY how these disaster capitalists want you to think.U know nothing of Haiti's past

[bjobotts]

56. They did the same in NO after Katrina, which destruction they caused.

[bjobotts]

57. They would delay help to make a buck or make sure their plans are set.

[bjobotts]

58. Naomi knows damn good an well to make saving lives a priority.That was stupid comment.

[MrMickeysMom]

75. What, you don't think we're capable of helping and knowing HOW to help?

... at the same time?

It might be even nicer if you understood that HOW to help becomes the priority. It doesn't take one second longer to do both.

[Lil Missy]

97. Now is EXACTLY the time to make her point. This is when they swoop in like vultures.

I highly recommend the book "Shock Doctrine" by Naomi Klein.

[chat_noir]

4. a FReeper's take on it

I would like to see us conquer Haiti, or at least let the French take it. Would love to visit. Beautiful landscape and a lot of money could be made.

4 posted on Friday, January 15, 2010 7:30:18 AM by wolfman23601

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2428968/posts

[pattmarty]

6. Boy, I see it's DU Friday with the bashing the messenger crap...........

...............Naomi Klein is young, brilliant and entirely on target with this. How in the fucking world can you accuse her of not caring is fucking beyond me. I am beginning to think that DU is becoming the Left version of those no nothing RW sites. I think half of the people here don't know what being "left" really is.

[pjt7]

7. Klein's insights

are on the mark.

thanks for posting.

[Mithreal]

11. No, no, no. These people you speak of are a loud minority.

It is easy to spot them and they embrace New Dem philosophy. They are not winning here.

Naomi Klein is brilliant and anyone who says otherwise identifies themselves as the pestilence they are.

[earth mom]

16. That's because there is a shitload of DINOS on DU these days. nt

[defendandprotect]

42. They had to increase the numbers, because the tide's against them . . .!!!

[earth mom]

93. You got that right!

While they weed the rest of us out one by one: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7481878

:grr:

[icee]

17. I used to think of Naomi Klein in great reverence, as you apparently

do. I no longer do. I feel she is primarily into self-aggrandizement and therefore not a person I look up to anymore.

[ProfessorPlum]

19. Oh yeah, when was that?

You also, I note, "no longer support" Rachel Maddow.

Either you are just disrupting, or you certainly fly into a huff easily.

Can you name one thing that Klein talks about which is self-aggrandizing in this clip?

[icee]

20. I never reply to posts where an initial "disrupting" etc, allegation

is thrust out. Have a good day. Your name suits you.

[ProfessorPlum]

25. A brilliant reply.

[ooglymoogly]

53. Judging from your posts you'd just dig yourself deeper

into the ignorance hole.

[icee]

87. I'll find the bottom of that hole and save a few along the way. Et

tu'? What will you do? Stand on the rim and worship the current pretend hero while thousands die, when even if the hero were false, a hundred could be saved. God save us from dedicated men, or women.

[Divine Discontent]

74. mmm mmm mmm....

[MrMickeysMom]

76. Interpretation:

"I thought I'd sound like I knew what I was talking about, but now that you've cornered me into explaining that... nobody's home!

[icee]

88. I have roughly 100 posts on a board known for wanton removal

of those whose perceived political ideology has cast them as unwelcome demons. If I eviscerate you, lad(y), that just makes me a fiercer demon, regardless of my intentions. I'm a People over Party person. If someone is dying and I can help, I will: I don't care if they are Demo, Indy or Repub. It's a concept you'll never understand. But eventually you'll be questioned about it.

[MrMickeysMom]

94. Question-

Was your post edited by some demon that jumped on the keyboard to type-

"If I eviscerate you, lad(y), that just makes me a fiercer demon, regardless of my intentions"
???

Damn! :rofl:

[Uncle Joe]

24. This should have nothing to do with your feelings re: Naomi Klein and everything to do with

her ideas; do they make sense, is her message moral and/or logical?

I contend on all counts, they do.

Carpet bagging didn't end after the Civil War it just became corportized and internationalized.

[icee]

26. I have sent money to Haiti every day since the quake. I will continue

to do that regardless of the all-knowing Ms. Klein. I would still send money even if only $50.00 of the $150.00 makes it past the carpetbaggers. You and the accusatory Professor Plum can do as you wish. Many of her messages make sense. But the frequency of those messages gives me cause to wonder if she simply grandstanding. And grandstand in the face of tragedy makes her no better than Rush Limbaugh to me. She could have intermixed a few words of compassion in her tirade against the viscious avariscious snakes. Slowly, but very perceptively, I am trusting no one anymore. Have a good day.

[Uncle Joe]

27. If her message is moral and logical, now is precisely the time to state it, not after

the horse has escaped the barn.

[icee]

29. The horse escaped the barn long ago.....

[Uncle Joe]

30. This earthquake just happened, what happens after that and how the world reacts to

this; is the horse; that I'm speaking of, but I believe you know that.

[bjobotts]

71. If I were this clueless I'd be jealous of Kline's insight also.Try to justify "self-aggrandizing"

[bjobotts]

72. Have you been sending money to Haiti everyday addressed to 'current resident'.Too stupid to have a j

job if all you got out of this post was condemning Klein. You continue to show ignorance by smugly attempting to justify your comments.

[icee]

84. I attempt to justify nothing, Mr. Rant. I do what I think is right. When

a person is suffering, I try to help, whereas people like you do nothing with the abstract reasoning your help will not reach those intended for because of your latest demon, in this case Klein's corporatocracy. You always leave yourself an out, so you never have to help. It's always someone else's fault you remain impotent. Pfffth

[DesertDiamond]

83. icee, she's calling for all help to be gifts, not loans; you can't see the compassion in that?

[icee]

85. My donations were gifts given through Mercy Corp. I'm just a person

not job giant corporation granting loans so that he can enslave the indigents down the road. However, many who read Klein may glean from you constant harping that no one should give ANYTHING! I hope to God that my wife or myself are in desperate straights someday our lives are not let to peter out because Klein has made statements against those that might help us. When all are the enemy, no one is friend.

[Crowman1979]

13. If anything, Haiti deserves TOTAL debt forgiveness.

[defendandprotect]

44. +1000%

[ProgressOnTheMove]

14. One thing I'm learning is debt can be a mean thing unless interest free. They own an individual's..

future or at the extreme level a whole nations.

[sushi]

22. Haiti's poverty

I don't know much about Haiti at all.
How has the US government 'been complicit in deepening the poverty of Haiti?'
Thanks!

[okie]

36. A couple good pieces

From the Guardian - Our Role in Haiti's Plight
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jan/13/our-role-in-haitis-plight

"'Those people got there because they or their parents were intentionally pushed out of the countryside by aid and trade policies specifically designed to create a large captive and therefore exploitable labour force in the cities; by definition they are people who would not be able to afford to build earthquake resistant houses.'"

Al Jazeera - Haiti's History of Hardship
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttqexOlqhWM

[defendandprotect]

45. Additionally, they were on their way to democracy and fairer land distribution ....

when Artistide was elected --

CIA coup took him out --

Clinton as I recall it brought him back once --

Then, the right wing machinery went into swing -- Aristide was Swiftboated and made

an enemy of democracy and justice -- and he was forced to leave the country.

W Bush pressed even further with injustice in Haiti for the benefit of elites.

[Uncle Joe]

23. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Joanne.:thumbsup:

[BEZERKO]

28. I was working last night

and remembered her book and thought 'uh oh, look out Haiti!'

Way to go Naomi!

[Mika]

32. Kick

Thanks for posting this tube.

:hi:

---

[NICO9000]

33. Wondering about what corporatists can get out of Haiti

I know next to nothing about Haiti, but just did a quick wiki search on their economy. Does anybody have any guesses as to what might happen to a shocked Haiti? They don't seem to have any nationalized industries that can be privatized or an abundance of natural resources to be plundered. The only thing I could think of was that somehow the real estate where people live (or lived) gets in the hands of western corporations, although I'm not informed enough to surmise what they would actually do with it. Since the country itself is so desperately poor, it doesn't seem to me there's that much money that can be stolen from it.

[defendandprotect]

46. Any land is valuable -- plus labor . . . enslavement --

And, naturally, the land has potential --

as someone was mentioning, if Haiti could freely plant marijuana or hemp ...

they would profit handsomely -- plus grow their own foodstuff.

1% elites control the entire nation and its economy -- land.

[Nostalgic]

34. I thank Naomi for this reminder.

I can't believe the Heritage Foundation said those things, first after Hurricane Katrina, and now just a day after the Haiti earthquake! How self-serving.

[RoccoR5955]

47. GO AWAY YOU FREAKIN' TROLLS!!! Naomi Klein is 1000% correct!

These corporations don't care about anything but their sacred dollar. They are only putting forth this facade of altruism, because it sells product.

Klein's statement is more proof that capitalism is a failed system.

[bjobotts]

68. Agreed. These 'moralists' are as ignorant as FEMA under Brownie

[Lorien]

80. They aren't ignorant. They're corrupt. They agree with the Heritage foundation

just look at their earlier posts. It's a wonder they aren't wearing granite by now.

[ooglymoogly]

54. This message is so clear and so right.

Those who are taking offense are clearly on the wrong site or are here just to disrupt because their agenda has been gored.

[bjobotts]

69. There was absolutely nothing in this video that deserved criticism so now we know who yu are and wha

[bjobotts]

70. In Ancient Greece a wealthy slave owner trained his own huge private fire brigraide

So when any wealth mansion caught fire he would negotiate to but it for a few bucks then suddenly roll out this brigaide and save it. If they wouldn't sell he just let it burn to the ground. Friends neighbors...didn't matter...nor did the destruction of priceless possessions. Many fires were started mysteriously...get the point. These people only care for profit not human life.

They need aid...not loans...volunteers not $1mil/yr blackwater security soldiers. I see clearly now that this informative and innocent video was demonized by ignorant, clueless trolls who are obviously not part of this DU community but comment under false pretense and clueless condemnation...one even speaking for the wrath of God...on Naomi Klein for christ's sake... Sickening.

[Faryn Balyncd]

73. k and r

:hi:

[Douglas Carpenter]

78. kick and recommend

[veganlush]

81. yes the corporatists would like to make it into a phony free market

...experiment like Iraq originally was meant to be. they'll be selling us on how it's in the best interest of Haiti to be a haven of dirt cheap labor enriching multi-national fat-cats. Klein is right to sound the warning and now is the time, not after when it's too late....

[Caoimhe]

82. OK UM.. OK UM... What does this person have to contribute to the rescue and recovery of the poorest

nation in our hemisphere?

I find now to be a real shitty time to measure everyone's inseam.

[RoccoR5955]

92. You don't get the point. It's not about not helping, it's about

helping, and seeing the profit motive of helping.
To many of us it's just morally wrong to make profits on things like this, and it's what huge corporations do all the time.

[trungpa ricochet]

90. Haiti never had a chance to stand up. The US has always knocked it down.

Read the twentieth-century history of Haiti, starting with the Marine Corps' treatment of the people. Read how dictators have run the place with US support. Read what Clinton and Bush did to Aristide and any other leader who dared defy the gangsters. Charity is fine, but Haitians deserve their own freedom from tyranny in the first place.

Here's a thought: give a few billion usually handed out to Israel over to Haiti for a while.

[amyrose2712]

95. Just another kick. nt