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TrollBuster9090 Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 06:26 PM
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Waterloo Was The Right Analogy.
 
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Waterloo was the right analogy.

Jim DeMint was right. This was Waterloo. But he was wrong about who was to be Napoleon and who was to be the Duke of Wellington.

For anybody who knows their history, the Republican party was a closer allegory to Napoleon than Obama. Napoleon took Europe by storm, beginning in 1797 (1993) with a new series of battle tactics based on cavalry and artillery, while the old European generals were still relying on the infantry. (The equivalent of the Rovian/Atwater tactics of wedge issues, dog whistle politics, fearmongering and demagoquery, while Democrats were still putting out six point plans only policy wonks found comfort in.)

These tactics continued to work until about 1812 when the opposition armies started to imitate them (see Paul Waldman’s 2006 book “Being Right is Not Enough” for a concise list of the Republican tactics that yielded their election victories from 1993 through 2004, and a plan to translate them into Democratic tactics, including wedge issues, dogwhistle politics, demagoguery, and a “reverse southern strategy.” If you follow what the Democrats have been doing, it looks like most of the senior tacticians have followed Waldman’s strategy to the letter.)

Napoleon hit his high water mark between 1806-1809 with these tactics (as the GOP did in 2002-2004). Following Napoleon’s high point he was presumptuous enough to try to force Czar Alexander I to let him marry his sister (basically the equivalent of Bush trying to privatize Social Security), and that was the last straw. Napoleon, like the Republicans, had mistaken a high water mark for a new trend. The Czar thwarted Napoleon’s efforts, beginning the war of 1812. By now most of Europe was sick of Napoleon’s constant wars and egotism, and his enemies had developed effective counter tactics. Napoleon lost in Spain (the 2006 mid-term election), and then got thumped big time on the retreat from Moscow in 1814 (the 2008 election), and was sent into exile.

But Napoleon’s ego stopped him from getting the message that even the French were sick of him, and saw a moment when the newly installed French Royalist govt was faltering and unpopular as an invitation to return. Wrong. Dissatisfaction with the ruling party is not necessarily an invitation for the party that was just kicked out to return.

Wellington (Obama) had a much less experienced army than Napoleon, who had brought his Old Guard. But Wellington chose ground he knew he could defend, the high ground at Waterloo, as did Obama, with a very centrist health insurance reform plan, which was (ironically) mostly inspired from centrist Republican ideas. Napoleon sent the screaming, flashing, loonie French cavalry (the Teapartiers, the PAC money and lobby groups, negative TV ads, and the shills writing OpEd pieces for think tanks) charging at the British infantry many times to make them lose their nerve. If they HAD lost their nerve, he’d have won. But the British managed to hold their lines in the face of charging cavalry long enough for the Prussians to arrive, and the rest is history. We do not remember Waterloo as the battle that Wellington ALMOST LOST several times. We remember it as the decisive and final defeat of Napoleon. What made a potential massive loss for Wellington into a massive loss for Napoleon? NOT LOSING HIS NERVE. A valuable lesson we’ve just learned again. We’ll forget that Obama nearly lost this battle several times, but I hope the Democrats in Congress don’t forget that winning it was ultimately a matter of not losing your nerve.
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MindandSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 06:29 PM
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1. Thank you for this! It's a good explanation (and interpretation) of a historic fact!
And we all know that history repeats itself. . .

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TrollBuster9090 Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 06:36 PM
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4. At the 4 minute mark
...you can see Obama say "If Pelosi doesn't come through with the votes now, they'll break every bone in my body." ;)
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 06:30 PM
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2. I can't believe they based a whole movie on that song by Abba! n/t
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TrollBuster9090 Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 06:34 PM
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3. ABBA!
I think that ABBA song should become one of Obama's new theme songs! They can play it every time he comes on stage at a political rally in November.
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MindandSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 06:43 PM
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5. That would be fun!
In the mean time, I think I'll suggest that the Belgian send President Obama a picture of the "Lion de Waterloo," a monument erected in the fields where Napoleon was defeated. The monument consist of a man made (actually, women made. . .the women from the are carried the dirt to built that hill on their backs, until that hill was tall enough to stand proud in those flat field) hill in the middle of a huge field. The British and allies then melted all the canons and bullets left behind by Napoleon's troops, and out of those melted canons, they made a huge lion figure that stands proudly on that hill, in the middle of that field.

I was born 2 miles from there. . .near Brussels, Belgium.
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TrollBuster9090 Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 07:07 PM
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6. Good idea!
Yeah, or we could photoshop Obama's head onto that famous portrait of Wellington and make a poster of it.

I didn't know about the monument, that's very interesting.

<IMG SRC=>
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keopeli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 08:25 PM
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13. Image of the Lion and the Mound


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TrollBuster9090 Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 08:29 PM
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14. Thank you!
Very impressive to think that was made out of melted-down brass canons.
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MindandSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 08:40 PM
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17. Yes, thank you very much!. . .and the hill was built by women carrying the dirt in baskets
on their back!. . When I was younger I saw a picture of the file of those women. . .It was impressive
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Lebam in LA Donating Member (717 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 07:17 PM
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7. Brillant Analogy
Thank you:toast:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 07:47 PM
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8. Very Good, TrollBuster!
Napoleon wanted to marry his sister?!
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TrollBuster9090 Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 08:04 PM
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10. What can I say? It must be a "Corsican thing?"
Hahah!

No, he wanted to marry Czar Alexander I's little sister, the Grand Duchess Anne. Napoleon figured this would make him more 'legitimate' (to continue the GOP analogy...more legitimate, like taking GRANT off the $50 and putting Reagan on instead). Since Napoleon was not of royal blood, he figured he could at least crank out some kids that had royal blood, quieting the hyperventilation of the European Aristocracy over being ruled by a commoner.

But the Czar refused the offer saying Anne was too young for Napoleon. Napoleon got pissed, divorced Josephine and married the daughter of the Austrian Emperor instead, and then used Austria (Poland, Italy etc.) as alies in his invasion of Russia. The lesson...the most dangerous place to be is in between a horny Frenchman and the girl he's got his eye on? I dunno...
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 08:22 PM
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11. Lol! I read
it twice:rofl: Thanks for clearing that up.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 08:04 PM
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9. Excellent! And thank you for this post! - K&R!!! n/t
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lordcommander Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 08:24 PM
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12. @ 5:06
Edited on Tue Mar-23-10 08:25 PM by lordcommander
Boehner: Sir, Pelosi has the votes!
Demint: Damn!
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TrollBuster9090 Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 08:31 PM
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15. Haha!
Yes, either that or "Sire, Stupak has agreed to change his vote in exchange for an executive order!"
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lordcommander Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 08:39 PM
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16. That too! lol nt
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TrollBuster9090 Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-10 10:10 PM
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18. The Sean Bean (Boromir) version of WATERLOO
For any Sean Bean (Boromir) fans, this version of the battle of Waterloo is pretty good, too. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zO_jqslKjM
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