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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 05:04 PM
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"Brave" U.S. Soldiers Murder Old Iraqi Man?
 
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greencharlie Donating Member (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 05:14 PM
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1. in the video...
Edited on Fri May-21-10 05:19 PM by greencharlie
it's pretty clear that the guy had an explosive device, right? That's what exploded after he was shot in the leg? Then he attempted to get up and they shot him?

What am I missing? Those soldiers shouldn't even be there... but let them protect themsleves at least...

If this happened on the streets of LA, the LAPD would shoot the guy, too.
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 04:17 AM
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20. The flash is from the ammo fired, I think
No ballistics expert, but the black flash looks a lot more like one that would come from explosive/blue-tipped ammo than from some explosive device on the guy.
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 10:47 AM
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32. That's what I think too.
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Travis Coates Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 03:57 PM
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41. show me a 55 grain .223 round that's going to blow like that
Please, just one.
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 04:04 PM
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42. Not sure I can
But then again, I think I left enough caveats in my comment to warrant a more informative answer.

Perhaps start by establishing what part of the video shows that to be the ammo used?
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Travis Coates Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 05:10 PM
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43. The ammo used
The GIs all appear to be armed W/ standard issue M4s the standard round for this weapon is a 5.56 NATO 55 grain FMJ round. Explosive ammunition is forbidden by the laws of land warfare.
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Travis Coates Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 05:45 PM
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2. I would have shot sooner NT
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 06:41 PM
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5. Woulda, shoulda, coulda...
... so what is stopping you from singing up, tough guy?

(awaiting creative excuse)
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humblebum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 07:49 PM
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7. He probably can't hit a high note. nt
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 10:28 PM
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13. LOL... damn dyslexia!!!
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Travis Coates Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 06:49 AM
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21. so what is stopping you from singing up, tough guy?
Edited on Sat May-22-10 06:52 AM by Travis Coates
I did my time (3/11 FA Desert Storm) now you go do your's

Creative enough for you?

On Edit
Clearly the guy was a threat I could hear the NCOIC in the background ordering some one to shoot. The BG kept advancing toward the check point after repeated orders to back off.

Again, I would have shot the very first time the NCOIC gave the order
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 10:28 PM
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12. No, you would have just peed in your pants then fainted.
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Travis Coates Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 06:54 AM
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22. Please see response 21 NT
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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 06:00 PM
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3. They are there and have to deal with this shit. What would you have done?
Nasty shit happens in war and this guy clearly had some kind of explosive on him.
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civilisation Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 09:43 PM
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9. occupation = war ?
There is a war? Looks like an OCCUPATION from here,. suppose killing the locals is the "Nasty shit" that "happen" eh.
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 06:41 PM
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4. Thanks for posting this freeper magnet;
Kpete.

DOH!
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 06:53 PM
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6. He had an explosive so I don't blame them, BUT we really shouldn't be there.
We need to end human losses on all sides by bringing our troops home now.
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 10:04 PM
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10. Were I an Iraqi, and the US had done to my country and my people
what the US government had done, I would be looking for every opportunity to get even, now and forever. I salute the old man who stood there, alone, surrounded by armed killers. May his children avenge his death.
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Travis Coates Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 07:01 AM
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23. Do you see the fallacy in your thinking?
I dont fault the Jihadi for trying to fight for his cause. I question his tactics but I dont fault him. At the same time, if you take up arms against the U.S. Army (The soldiers were wearing 3rd ID patches) dont be shocked when someone kills you.

Regardless of your stand on the war those soldiers had every legal and moral right to defend themselves.
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 08:56 AM
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24. As did Rome when they invaded Parthia and had their ass handed
to them. In terms of righteousness, I'll take the side of the old man. But, yes, I see your point.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 08:48 PM
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8. I haven't been on DU much lately, but it seems there are more than the usual
number of heartless freepers.

God help the people who are going to die because of what is in this video.

Our kids should not have to be there.

We are wrong, wrong, wrong.

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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 10:21 PM
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11. I wish you hadn't posted that video, kpete. It reminds me of
Vietnam, where our illustrious military was doing the same thing. I remember other brave soldiers taking target practice using poor peasant farmers gathering crops to feed their starving children. I can see it still in my mind's eye. Those were the days I began to hate the United States and all it stands for. Still do...
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Travis Coates Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 09:24 AM
Response to Reply #11
26. So, what country do you live in now
Or are you just a hypocrite?
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 09:32 AM
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27. The US. For about 1.5 years more. I am not a lone agent who can
make my own decisions. Were I not married, I would have left Crap Nation USA upon arriving back in the States in 1971 when I got out of the Service. My daughter left the US long ago. I'll be the hypocrite. You be the old-man-killer. Let's see who walks in the Light some day, should it exist. Meanwhile, I'll fight guys like you at every turn.
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Travis Coates Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 10:06 AM
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28. I don't buy it
If your truly had the courage of your convictions you would have left (curious as to where you might go BTW) long ago. Wishing for the death of US Soldiers (kinda like WBBC) does not speak to me of someone who is working for change it speaks of hate.

As for being an old man killer, the old man had a bomb on him and was in the act of trying to kill American Soldiers,fortunes of war. They had (and you agree so) every legal and moral right to kill him in self defense.

I'm not pro war BTW but if we're there we need to fight to win or get the hell out right now.
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 10:14 AM
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29. Win? There is no "win"--never was-- Belize. That's where some
of my friends live now.
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Travis Coates Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 10:39 AM
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30. Win? There is no "win"--never was
Edited on Sat May-22-10 10:39 AM by Travis Coates
Then bring 'em home right now.

Belize, isn't that where the rich freepers go to evade income tax?
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 10:44 AM
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31. I don't know. I pay my income tax so that the US can invade
other nations and steal from its inhabitants.
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Travis Coates Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 11:12 AM
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33. Which makes you just as guilty
Edited on Sat May-22-10 11:13 AM by Travis Coates
If you really don't support the American form of government and you really don't believe changes is possible or worth trying for then leave W/ my honest blessings. I wish you well

Just don't bitch about how bad America sucks for 40 years while you're sitting here sucking hind tit. Even the Mojados have more balls than that
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 11:22 AM
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34. I have never depended on the United States for anything... I
have paid my share of Crap Nation's bills. Have you?
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Travis Coates Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 11:31 AM
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35. Of course I have
But again if it sucks so bad, go. Most of my family came here w/ nothing I have no sympathy for you go
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 03:14 PM
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37. You are one of those brave troop lovers...
... until they open their mouth and they don't say what you want to hear, then they stop being useful.
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Travis Coates Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 03:38 PM
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39. Go back and read my posts
I was one of those brave troops.
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annm4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 10:41 PM
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14. wow, I kicked and second later it was at Zero
Edited on Fri May-21-10 10:41 PM by annm4peace
there is no bravery when you are just trying to keep you and your buddies alive. Sort life if you grew up surrounded by gangs.

True Bravery is refusing to deploy. Now that takes bravery.

How many more have to die or be injured, homicidal or suicidal before troops say: "man, this a bunch of bullshit" ?

That is what it is "Bullshit"! and they all need to refuse to go back, deploy, etc.

All they are protecting is power hungry corporations.
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timefortherevolution Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 10:42 PM
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15. If Iraquis were in my country, I would do the same thing
The arrogance of my country is astounding.

Imagine if occupiers took over our neighborhoods.

Damn straight I'd be an insurgent. It's called "fighting for your country".

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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-10 10:59 PM
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16. It's all senseless ... most of all, that we're even there...
Set aside everything you think about this video and what it represents (I just love some of the Monday morning quarterbacking)....

Other threads talk about what this country is being reduced to by privatizing section 8 housing and the mess created by privatization already.

I say, and for the same reason this video exists, GET THE HELL OUT OF THESE TWO UNFUNDED WARS that are draining us dry for no reason- OUT!
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Devil_Fish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 12:03 AM
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17. Wait, how do we win? Somthing about WMD's and getting Sudam and the Iraqis Voting...
Whats the objective again? take Bagdad.... topple a statue.... Purple fingures.....

Man I's so confused.
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pundaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 02:21 AM
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19. We will leave once we find the WMD's that should have been very clear by now.
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herbm Donating Member (980 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 12:25 AM
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18. Isn't this one of the Iraqi population that was going to meet our troops with flowers?
Sure he might have had a bomb, but why not? His nieghborhood is being bullied by an occupuying force that has turned 90% of the population against it. Just think: if we weren't there, he wouldn't have been pissed off at a bunch of US soldiers shouting to kill him or shoot him for 10 minutes before finaly doing it. Think this little video won't piss of a bunch more Muslims? I think our troops have serving way too long.
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Travis Coates Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 09:22 AM
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25. IME
Most EM joined up because they needed a job or they wanted to go to college. They don't give a damn about the politics. They don't deserve your contempt.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 03:16 PM
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38. ...says the chickenhawk with an itchy trigger... I mean "typing" finger
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Travis Coates Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 03:40 PM
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40. Pissy aren't we NT
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Travis Coates Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 12:07 PM
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36. Unnrec for misleading title
The old man was armed W/ an explosive device
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