A Tale of 2 Countries - Looking at 'Evil'

[Raoul]

Run time: 07:17 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfD-6jme1kM   Posted on YouTube: December 09, 2010 By YouTube Member: raoul116 Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: December 09, 2010 By DU Member: Raoul Views on DU: 932

 

[davidthegnome]

1. Bold words

True words, but very bold. I approve.

[ForeignSpectator]

2. My rationalization for believing obama in'08 comes down to one point basically...

I just couldn't believe that someone could pull such a MASSIVE bait-and-switch on his voters.

The standard politician will say 'A' on the campaign trail, get elected and do 'B'. Big deal,
seen it a thousand times.

But this guy built his whole campaign premise (and promise) on hope, CHANGE, 'we can believe in'.
And how it resonated with the people, the youth in particular, it was clear that this is what
the people hungered for: CHANGE.

If I was in his position before the election, knowing that the republicans are gonna be my best
friends and I'm gonna take a huge dump on 'change' as soon as I get in office, I would have gotten
scared shitless. Scared by the sheer POWER of the masses that I triggered with my promise of hope
and change.

I basically thought, no one could be such an ass to knowingly disappoint hope on such a massive scale.
That is the rationalization that led me to believe in him. I had reason for serious doubt but it
got swept away by that hope.

When I think of the campaign, I remember one scene in a video I watched where he "listens" to a
woman on the campaign trail, sitting at a table with her... while she tells the story of her sick
husband, how they don't have health insurance...and he nods to her like he "understands", "listens",
touches her arm, gives her such HOPE that she starts to cry. THAT's how people believed and that
I can't forget.


EDIT to add : LOVE your videos!! Watch them too rarely though...but love em

[Raoul]

3. I'm humbled

by your thoughtful comments because they could have been penned by me. You share my and my wife's feeling down to the last word in your response. When you spoke about his touching that lady, it triggered a past thought that surfaced. I remember him meeting an elderly black woman on the campaign trail who said her husband, also black, was dying of cancer. But he was so proud to see this day arrive when a fellow black American possible being the first black to win the presidency, that he was desperately trying to survive until he could vote for Obama. Unfortunately, he didn't make it. I was going to mention that in this video but I get too choked up and emotional, as I'm getting right now, to be able to express how sad I feel for millions like that magnificent elderly couple. Those are the people he let down and I can't forgive him for this. I still like him personally but as a politician, well..

[movintocuba]

4. Evil!!!

Long time lurker first time poster,love your video's. Often when I rant to my wife about evil Karl Rove or Dick Cheney or some other sick Bastard my wife will recoil over my hatred for these scum , thats when I describe them as pure evil with blood on their hands, that she gets. I'm really sickened how we all got conned again, it's like they can't or won't do what's right for America, best country on earth, MY ASS!

[Raoul]

9. You're stealing my thunder

Just joking but I intend to talk about Cheney, Rove, Bush and others in the next segment next week. Thanks...

[nckjm]

5. Thank you so much for your reply, ForeignSpectator

You put into words how I feel and it helps so much to know I am not alone. My hurt and anger with this man too often takes up too much of my day and I know it is not good for my health. I feel so betrayed. It is anguishing.

[EnviroBat]

6. Back in the days when I was supporting Obama getting elected.

I believed in him as a true voice of reason, and a vehicle for change that this country so desperately needed. We have been suckered. It's that simple. There was a time when I thought that meeting this man would be one of the greatest experiences of my life. He's turned out to nothing more than a false prophet, a sham, a snake-oil salesman. I no longer believe in this man. I no longer believe that this country has a representative government. These "elected officials" no longer represent the people of this country. The time for revolution is at hand. If we cannot organize ourselves and revolt financially, (starve the beast), then I see things going in a violent direction very quickly. I want to leave here, but I fear that the greed fostered by this young nation has spread like a virus to just about every other place on the planet by now. Most of the civilized world has been fucked and left with a nasty STD by this our good ole U.S. fucking A. Greed and rampant capitalism needs to be dealt with in much the same way as cancer. Cut out, burned out, dissolved chemically. What ever method, we are sick and dying.

[Raoul]

10. Amen...

couldn't have said it any better.

[EnviroBat]

15. Keep em coming brother...

And say hi to your gorgeous lady for me!

:hi:

[Paranoid Pessimist]

7. You're Both Right and Wrong

The French Revolution, which you cite here as a possible course for this country, led to widespread unjust bloodshed. The royalist establishment did get executed, but then it spread to anybody who made anyone who could call for an execution nervous. Thousands of people who had nothing to do with keeping the peasants in subjection were executed. The madness grew so extreme that Robespierre, who had been in charge of doing the executing, himself went to the guillotine.

That's what happens once people decide to storm the Bastille. The genocide of the Jews during World War II was only one of many massacres in history -- it resonates with us because it was done with a kind of mechanical bureacratic efficiency, but was it really morally worse than some of the other massacres? Read what Andrew Jackson's soldiers did to the Creek Indians (the book A Nation Rising by Kenneth C. Davis gives a good unvarnished account of all that -- it also tells the tale of the slave insurrections that took place in America); remember what the Tutsis did to the Hutu in Rwanda, what French Catholics did to the Hugenauts in the 1570s; check out what the Romans did to the Cartheginians after the Third Punic War to name just a very few. Quite a few groups who could be considered "a people" have been wiped off the face of the earth without a trace.

The "Kill 'Em All and Let Got Sort 'Em Out" approach (when I was in the Army during the Vietnam War T-Shirts with that slogon were common) does not bring justice, only widespread suffering and death.

Non-violent revolutions do happen: Philippine "People Power" in 1986 happened because the soldiers refused to fire on the civilians. It didn't happen that way at Tiananmen Square which is more typical of the outcomes one sees in the history books. Gandhi showed a way to affect a nonviolent overthrow, but once the British were out and the nonviolent Gandhiji was shot, Hindus and Moslems began a bloodbath that led to the splitting off of Pakistan, massive relocation including multiple mass murdering.

In today's America I wouldn't want to encourage people to rise up. The first to heed the call would be the Tea Party types who, during the last election, seemed to me to be one tweak away from morphing into a lynch mob ("second amendment solutions"). Do we really want to go up against that kind of self-righteous rage?

In a fight-it-out scenario, the good guys are at an extreme disadvantage because they would be less sure who "deserves" a painful death and are more likely to hesitate. The others believe what they do is ordained by God so they can kill anybody the don't like and be assured of their holy forgiveness.

There must be another way. I don't know what that way is but I keep thinking how the Iranians overthrew the Shah of Iran with cassette tapes. There has to be a way to use this mass mediated world with multiple communication devices to undermine the Powers That Be without letting loose a shoot-'em-up free-for-all. I don't know what that could be, but I can't support an attempt at violent overthrow. They have us outgunned and would use everything up to and including nukes against anything threatening to them that started to happen.

[Raoul]

8. How can one

be right and wrong? It's an oxymoron. No I am not saying we should rise up and attempt to shoot our way to real freedom. What I am saying is that we have to do something other than rely on a broken 2 party system to effect real and meaningful change for all of our people. I am simply pointing out what insatiable greed will cause people to do. And yes, I am well aware of where the revolution headed particularly the reign of terror that ate its own founders in the end.

Unless you have witnessed evil up close and personal as I and others have done, your words are simply hyperbolic. Yeah, it would be nice to wave a flower and do the non-violence thing aka Ghandi, however what we're dealing with in this country is beyond what you so naively wish for.

And all of your examples have nothing to do with the French Revolution's impact on the REST of Europe and how it caused a change in behavior regarding the rich that has lasted through time right up to now while I'm writing this. Why do you think European governments seems to have more compassion for their citizens than our government does? Why do you think European gov. officials have to tread very lightly when interfering with social programs that benefit their citizens? Why do you think the income distribution between rich and other classes is much more reasonable than over here? Why? Because everything goes back to the French Revolution and its impact on the rest of Europe.

The point of my videos on evil is to discuss 'evil' and its true traits. To show how it infects society and if allowed to go unchecked, destroy our society. It's interesting that you had NOTHING to say regarding Dr. Peck's and my observations regarding evil behavior.

I am well aware of most of those examples you cite which show how easily people can be influenced to perform evil acts on their fellow man. However, those acts were singular in nature even if repetitive to our senses. The French Revolution dealt with the insatiably greedy rich and even though it went on to excesses, killing innocents, its initial actions dealt with the evil of excess wealth living alongside excess poverty.

[Paranoid Pessimist]

11. I absolutely agree with this

"we have to do something other than rely on a broken 2 party system to effect real and meaningful change for all of our people."

What is that something we can do?

[Raoul]

12. If I could

figure that out I'd be the smartest person in the universe. The only thing I could think of is to stop all of them in the primaries which are where everything gets fixed so that the corporate sponsered politicos win regardless of party affiliation. There are many states that allow write in candidates during the primaries however cooridinating these kind of efforts and getting people to run as 3rd party or even real progressive Dems like Grayson, Kucinich, etc, is almost impossible.

Other than that I don't know what we could do. Maybe national boycotts or stop buying 'things' or even massive telephone calls to a designated credit card company to try and force them to lower rates. Or even just stop paying one particular card but it would take millions of us to do this to be effective.

Those are just a few things but I really don't know if any of them would be effective over the long run.

[Paranoid Pessimist]

13. That's a really disturbing thought

We have to hope that the smartest political mind who ever lived has a sudden flash of insight, gains access to global communications, and says, "I've got it! Here's what we do!"

Keep on doing what you do. At least you're doing something.

[EnviroBat]

16. Starve the beast...

I've been suggesting for some time now that a national tax boycott would certainly get their attention. If we could get everybody to stop paying their taxes to these assholes, they'd have nothing to give away to their rich CEO fuckers. They would have to come after all of us. That alone would break them. People are far to chicken-shit to do this though.

Step 1. Maximize you exemptions on your W4
Step 2. File your taxes. Obviously you'll owe.
Step 3. Don't pay them a fucking dime.

Can you imagine if 300 million people did this?

[Raoul]

17. Oh

if only, in only. I can't fathom how much they crap their pants. Know why? I used to work for the bastards so I know their mentality inside out and the only way to fight them is exactly how you put it.

[LinkUP]

14. Well said

Right there with yah

[Raoul]

18. thanks

and it's humbling how much so many folks agree about this. I was a bit leery of putting this one out but now I know I'm on the right track..

[EnviroBat]

19. We got your back brother...