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Segami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 08:08 AM
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MSNBC's Dylan Ratigan on The Federal Reserve, Media Censorship, Bilderberg @ #occupywallstreet
 
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 09:36 AM
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1. K&R, nt
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 10:35 AM
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2. absolute must watch, big K&R, notice the level of debate that Ratigan brings to the table vs. the
spewing of slogans from most mainstream bought and paid for media shills.

One of the best examples is when he said 'if you tear down all the markets of capital, you destroy yourself'.

Compare that to blathering of Michael Moore, who when confronted with a real issue of substance (ending the private Federal Reserve's death grip on the public monetary supply) simply bellowed 'end capitalism!'.

Moore has made well over 100 million dollars from his so-called target of choice, what a hypocrite. I do like some of his points he raises in his movies, but Moore is simply, at the end of the day, controlled opposition.

Dylan Ratigan for the win vs. Moore.
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Larry Ogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 02:47 PM
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6. Beware of the corporately owned "Pied Pipers" of the world...
Their also called spellbinders, snake oil salesmen, media pundits, politicians and psychopaths.

They know more about what you want then you know yourself, and their really good at acting like your best friend...,

Just before they lead you to the edge of a cliff and cut your throat.

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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 09:38 PM
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20. Are you talking about Dylan or Obama?
But, seriously. I think Dylan is legit. He had issues at CNBC because of the way Wall Street worked. He would not have had those issues and left if he were a snake oil salesman. He is conservative, but insists on fair rules in the way money works.

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canoeist52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 03:12 PM
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8. Doesn't have to be vs.
I'll support any one who support getting corporate nmoney out of government. We need every voice combined to save this country. Just say NO to division.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 05:44 PM
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13. Nobody takes Michael Moore literally on that statement.
We all know that he does what all comedy does -- exaggerate and oversimplify. We like him for the same reason we like other comedy. He takes a situation that produces anger and anxiety and exaggerates and oversimplifies in a way that seems so incongruous with reality that it causes us to laugh.

Do we all know that Michael Moore in his serious moments wants the reform of capitalism, not the destruction of capital.

Michael Moore might push things further than Dylan Ratigan in some ways, but they are both desiring the reform of capitalism. They share the same goal but express their ideas in different ways.

Obviously, Michael Moore is a capitalist and proud of his success. He is a devout Catholic who tempers his pride at his own success with great compassion for others.
Don't knock him. Just remember who and what he is and if you do you will love him.

His film Roger and Me educated a whole generation and thanks to him and another comedian, Jon Stewart and many others like them, you see a crowd on Wall Street that is well informed and determined but nonviolent. That crowd has a sense of humor that helps them place their anger in a good perspective.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-11 01:19 AM
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33. You again. Always with the
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 01:23 PM
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3. Wow
Should be at the top of the greatest page.

We can argue about issues all we want-- AFTER we get the money out of politics. This has a chance to work.
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daleanime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 01:23 PM
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4.  Oh, hell yea...
think I've got a new man crush.:blush:
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canoeist52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 01:53 PM
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5. "Separation of Business and State". Yes!
"Ya take money, yer fired" good -keep it simple.
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reformist2 Donating Member (998 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 10:31 PM
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25. That has a nice ring to it.
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civilisation Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 03:08 PM
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7. interesting rant,.
he is a bit of a blow-hard but I suppose that is his job,. The tactic is perhaps useful a "take money and your out" policy for politicians. Kinda tough to police such a policy,. with the level of greed we are dealing with here.

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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 04:27 PM
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9. Dylan is...
down there collecting info for his wall street buddies and trying to take over the Occupy movement..He's full of it.
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 05:05 PM
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11. Evidence?
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 09:28 PM
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19. Dylan is...
down there collecting info for his wall street buddies and trying to take over the Occupy movement..He's full of it. Is that you Dylan..
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-11 12:01 AM
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32. Again, where's the evidence that Dylan is collecting info for his Wall Street buddies
and trying to take over the movement?
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 11:51 PM
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29. Dylan was against the bailouts when bush was in charge ...
you supply no evidence.

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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 04:43 PM
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10. K&R
How can we claim to be a "free country" when our leadership is bound by obligations to a small segment of our society -- the tiny minority that funds their campaigns and lifestyles?

Dylan Ratigan is just smarter than the average newsrepeater.

I don't agree with him on everything, I am pretty sure, but he is definitely on the right track on this and a lot of other issues.

MSNBC is leading the way.

Even Morning Joe had a good segment on a Starbucks program to provide money for micro-businesses in areas that need them.

Good work, MSNBC. MSNBC and Current TV are the only decent TV sources for news.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 10:47 PM
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26. Scarborough is full of shit...
I can't wait till someone stomps the shit out of him!!!
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 11:31 PM
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28. I would always have agreed with you except on this show.
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Charronxyz Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 05:34 PM
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12. What a load of BS...
Edited on Tue Oct-04-11 05:47 PM by Charronxyz
Is he suggesting a constitutional amendment? does he know how hard it is to amend the constitution and how long it would take(decades), that it would be eventually watered down to nothing, that the chances of getting 2/3 of the states to go along is nil, this guy is a con artist and he wants to divert this movement into a pointless goose chase. anyway the US constitution has been thrown in the garbage a long time ago, who is he kidding..

You can't get money out of politics in a capitalist economy, even in Canada where there is strict limits on campaign financing the corporation still rule, they have control over the media and who is seen as credible and there are many other ways to pay off and control the politicians... Capitalist greed can always overcome barriers that are put in front of it, whatever happened to FDR's reforms...?
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 05:47 PM
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14. The Citizens United decision is based on the Court's interpretation of the First
Amendment. It may be that the only way it can be set aside is via an amendment to the Constitution. So Ratigan is right in advocating for the amendment of the Constitution. It will take a long time, but it is probably our only choice.
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Charronxyz Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 05:57 PM
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16. Right...
Maybe we can wait for a generation or two while the politicians who are owned by the corporation decide to pass a constitutional amendment that limit the power of corporation...:crazy: catch22
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 11:23 PM
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27. Maybe in the next election, we can refuse to vote for any candidate
who doesn't agree to vote for the amendment. Make it the litmus test.
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civilisation Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 05:53 PM
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15. yeah,. kinda seems weak in that sense.
How do you monitor peoples intake of any capital with so many ways to transfer wealth,. Better to devise a system where manipulation is not possible. something a bit more direct perhaps.
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Charronxyz Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 06:04 PM
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17. you can't...
as an example many Canadian politicians end up on the boards of large corporation after they leave politics, pretend jobs where they get huge salaries and bonuses...
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 09:42 PM
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21. "this guy is a con artist" - Evidence? n/t
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Xtraneous Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 10:19 PM
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23. Okay, so something else we can't do...
in a reasonable amount of time... what can we do? Your observations about the media are spot on. So another part of this is breaking up the media, putting controls back in place to limit ownership and force the media to give equal time and fund public access media.

I've read all the statements that the OWS protesters are taking on as their platform, but what is the end game? The election next year is a joke. $1billion for the disappointing- and bought- incumbent and then there's the rest of the jokesters. And even before another election takes place, something has to be done to discard the fake voting machines. In the meantime there also needs to be more participation at the polls, not less. Even if Ratigan's idea were doable the voting system can't be trusted. FDR was dealing with a smaller group of corporate players. Today, most people in the US act as though they're embarrassed millionaires. Greed is now systemic.
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Charronxyz Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 11:54 PM
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31. There are no quick easy solutions...
sorry!

We should avoid traditional politics at all cost, it's a waste of time and energy, whatever real change will come will happen because people are engaged democratically in their daily life, the OWS movement has succeeded in changing the narrative and that is a huge step forward but it's only a first step. This is about changing peoples perspective, creating an alternative view of the world that is fundamentally democratic.

There are quick solutions but we are in a catch22 situation, the people who could easily change thing for the better are not inclined to do so because they perceive it to be against their interests so we should prepare for a long struggle and avoid supporting half measures.

Well maybe, if other states had public banks like South Dakota, that could be done within a few years, I know that California was looking into that...read the following article.

http://www.shiftoftheage.com/2011/05/17/what-a-public-bank-could-mean-for-california/">www.shiftoftheage.com

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PuppetGubment Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 06:13 PM
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18. GET MONEY OUT!!!!!!
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 10:18 PM
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22. Separating money and state.... Must be music to Mr. Feingold's ears...
Mr. Feingold tried to keep the money limited... It can be done, and it should be done.... There was helicopters of money being dropped in Wisconsin for our recall elections...
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 10:30 PM
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24. k&r
to finish watching later
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-11 11:52 PM
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30. knr nt
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iamhuman Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-11 03:10 AM
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34. Dylan Ratigan
Sure seems like the real deal.
don't quit.. until we get fair back into North America

Dylan Ratigan
Sure seems like one of the real deals!

Don't stop Dylan!
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