Occupy Oakland Protester admits bottles were thrown at Police BEFORE police responded

[alp227]

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Oct. 27, 2011 - Occupy Oakland Protester (Tasha Casini) admits to Lawrence O'Donnell on MSNBC that protesters threw bottles at Police BEFORE police responded

[derby378]

1. Unless those bottles were filled with acid or napalm...

...that still doesn't justify the excessive use of force against the protesters in general - and Scott Olsen in particular.

[Booster]

2. The cops are trained for this kind of thing & I'll bet that training

didn't include "always aim at their heads". No excuse for that.

[xultar]

3. I don't believe that chick for one moment... looking of camera

looking up and to the left....she was lying her ass off

back into the lurk.

[DURHAM D]

4. Agree - something seems off...

[enough]

7. I just watched it with the sound turned off (something else going on in the room) and

her manner certainly looks strange.

[civilisation]

5. If so where is the video???

Cops have more cameras than the activists!,. and yet no video of people throwing anything other than tear-gas back at the police line after the cops started firing that sht.

[yardwork]

6. Who is this person? Was she actually part of OWS Oakland?

[DURHAM D]

11. ...

:hi:

[frylock]

8. yuh-huh..

listen here, granola girl. you get your ass in front of that camera and tell them you saw people hurling bottles, and we won't take you downtown tonight.

where is the video?

[sce56]

9. I have to say I have yet to see video of rocks or bottles but that is a trick they use to start

Police Riots by the undercover cops or agent provocateurs! Lets see who started throwing then see if we can match up with the OPD!

[justiceischeap]

15. Someone threw something at the cops (Graphic photo warning)

That said, it seems to me that the throwing of "things" happened earlier than the full out assault by the police on the demonstrators.





And there's a huge difference between the police photos I posted and this one: (the red on Olsen is blood, the red on the cop is paint)

[Exultant Democracy]

34. Agent Provocateurs is right, this is a classic tactic used regimes threaten by mass movements

I highly suspect people who try to distract for the far greater outrage of the 99% with bullshit like this. We got them on tape at the Aerospace museum in addition to piles of other evidence.

The people who did this are either right wingers or the mentally ill and if they are mentally ill then the blame falls on Regan and the right wing war against the poor and underprivileged.

[Grassy Knoll]

10. Oldest trick in the book....

and O'Donnell was "Fish On" , what a plant that was, Probably from BEKKKistan.

[Pharaoh]

12. WHERE IS THE VIDEO

Of protestors throwing bottles and rocks?

[alp227]

16. wherever the video of Tea Party protesters spitting on black Congress members is nt

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[alp227]

19. oops, here's that video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmP4Gb2pEsY

[Grassy Knoll]

21. Whats you point ?........

that a teabagger actually spit on a congressman ?
weak sauce, DAD.

[cui bono]

25. Yeah, we know a Tea Party asshole spit on a congressman.

What are you trying to prove?

[alp227]

28. if we expected to see video of bottles thrown at cops

then video should corroborate EVERY accusation of violent or disorderly conduct

[DocMac]

32. And the cops have videos.

Good luck getting those. Police fail!! Hold them responsible.

[cui bono]

36. What??? You proved there was video of the Tea Party spit.

I don't know why you did but you did. How does what you just said follow logically? There WAS video of the spitting, you didn't prove there was no video of it. I'm not following, so if you are making sense please explain again.

[alp227]

37. people kept asking where the video was.

at 1st i assumed there was no video of the TP spitting incident so i initially posted that for a little humorous edge, but i was wrong and so i guess i'll wait for the throwing stuff video, but the police response was an excessive over reaction.

[cui bono]

41. Okay, thanks for the clarification. n/t

[zbdent]

30. I had one RWer claim it never happened ... and then turned right around and

claimed that the congressman was just in the way of "juicy speak" ...

plus, the "liberally-biased media" went gaga over that "Iraq veteran spit on by liberals" ... with absolutely no video. Of course, what video the guy produced showed that the alleged spitters (not seen spitting in any of the video) were far enough away that the alleged spitters would qualify for the final rounds of spitting (distance spitting) contests ...

[alp227]

31. did some searching and found this from mar. 2007

http://mediamatters.org/research/200701300001

and a google search revealed another alleged incident from summer 2008, but the top result was the other forum (hee hee).

[Dont call me Shirley]

13. Looked like she was listening for her earpiece que, obvious lying.

[Beartracks]

35. It appeared to me that there was a time lag.

A lot of times with a satellite link-up, viewers hear questions before the person being interviewed does. It looks to me that she's still listening to his questions even though we already finish hearing them.

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[TheDebbieDee]

14. Were these bottle-throwing protestoers right-wing plants?

Plants dispatched to stir shit up and make the Oakland Occupiers look violent?

I wouldn't put anything past these bastards!

[Kennah]

17. Assuming bottles were thrown, which I doubt ...

... then the response is to shoot one guy in the head with a tear gas canister? Then toss another tear gas canister in amongst those who were going to the injured man's aid?

Bull-fucking-shit.

The Oakland PD stepped on their dick in front of the world.

[mistertrickster]

20. Most bottles are made of PLASTIC. I let my dog play with them and chew on them.

Where do glass bottles come from? Beer?

[TheeHazelnut]

22. I hate all these kneejerk replies that she's a "plant" lying to discredit Occupy...

Unless the comments that this woman is lying are coming from people who were there and saw that no bottles were thrown, discrediting her testimony out of hand strikes me as identical to the way right wingers act -- you can't get them to accept evidence of anything that contradicts their ideology (global warming, the lack of WMDs in Iraq, Obama being a capitalist rather than a socialist) -- because any evidence you offer is immediately discredited as conspiratorial lies. She looks like she's listening to an earpiece because she's listening to Lawrence O'Donnell's questions, probably with a slight delay.

I wasn't at the protest, I don't know if bottles were thrown by anyone or not. But I have read other accounts from peaceful protesters who have discussed the presence of a small minority of troublemakers, which aligns with what she describes. Doesn't justify the police response at all, but certainly no reason to attack this woman you don't know, accusing her of being a paid stooge of the police for making an observation that might add a tiny shade of gray to the black-and-white good vs. evil narrative.

Every "unrec" or response (such as this one) that doesn't fall lockstep within a certain narrow band seems to get instantly accused of being done by paid troublemakers by some people. Seems like a simplistic way to view the world to me.

[cui bono]

24. However, Tea Partiers don't accept evidence in the form of hard facts,

let alone some random person's word.

My question is, if she were a real protester why would she go on national TV and say that? That's pretty stupid. And we all know that the Republican's have no problem with setting people up, hiring fake protesters and hiring agitators/disruptors.

So it's a pretty good bet she's lying, but I can't say for sure.

[frylock]

26. well then plz do work on finding that evidence of bottle throwing..

look, the cops have cameras EVERYWHERE. there are cops in the crowd working undercover. they have eyes in the sky. surely, there must be some evidence of rock and bottle throwing. moreover, she doesn't strike me as exactly confident in her answer to the question.

REPORTER: Did you see people throwing uhhhh bottles and rocks at the police before they uh used those tactics?
TASHA: Ummmmmmmmmmmm...... yeah....? (shrugs shoulders)

on edit: shaking her head no as she answers in the affirmitive. several other instances of body language that may point to being less than truthful.

[notadmblnd]

29. Yes, I would suspect that all Occupy groups, after all this time

of being nothing but peaceful, are now going to be inundated with a "small minority of troublemakers".

I've already read reports about troublemakers in Zuccotti Park. This is getting bigger, and the powers that be are growing weary. They don't like where this is going andd they want it stopped. Soon, before change is forced upon the 1%.

[russspeakeasy]

23. There is something hinky about Tasha...

[2pooped2pop]

39. My problem with thinking she is a plant

is- how did she come to be interviewed by him? Are you guys saying there were many plants, (And yes, I believe there are provocateurs) and he just happened to interview one? I would like to see video of people throwing things before the gas. I would like to see who, and what they are throwing.
Yes, today most bottles are plastic. I suspect people threw what was in their hands (their drink)I doubt people brought rocks to throw. Is it happening where rocks are on the ground? What park has rocks big enough to do any damage laying all around? And this one is concrete right? So where would rocks come from? Would you carry an extra five pounds of rocks in your pocket for a protest march? I wouldn't. I would have too many other things to carry like water and maalox for teargas treatment. No room for rocks. Would not want to be carrying extra weight.
It would be helpful to see who is doing it. Didn't the Boston protesters follow 4 men from their group and observe them going into the federal building using key cards? Have no idea if that story is true or not.
I don't think she is a plant though it is possible. I think the protesters are stupid if they are throwing shit before an assault begins. THey will knock out any chance of proving wrongdoing by "starting" it. I think the protesters for the most part if throwing anything it is their coke bottle which is plastic.
I wonder if throwing the paint on them might become a common occurrence. It sure marks the cop and must be embarrassing for him. However, at this time I believe protesters need to either leave when told, or sit for arrest. It is very hard for them to claim we are violent if we are sitting. Very bad publicity for them to attack sitting protesters.

Sit in people. SIT in.

[alp227]

27. HERE'S THE FULL INTERVIEW HOSTED ON MSNBC.com

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540#45055884

[TheeHazelnut]

33. for the deniers: video of Scott Olsen's protesting friend also stating things were thrown at cops

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/45070073#45070073

Go to the 3:40 mark in the interview on Ed Schultz. How many people have to say things were thrown at the cops in order for you to stop slandering people as liars who were actually there for stating what they saw? These people are protesters who believe in the Occupy cause appearing on TV putting their real names on the line unlike most of the people on here (including myself) using pseudonyms. For pseudonymous internet commenters to call these people liars and political plants without evidence strikes me as morally questionable behavior.

It's a large protest that anyone can attend. I find it easier to believe that a few creeps stepped out of line by throwing things for whatever reason than I do to believe that the entire crowd had no jerks in it. That in no way excuses the cop response and the attack on the protesters. I just don't like seeing people attacking anyone who claims that they saw a small amount of misbehavior occur, when it's hardly implausible that there would be a few random idiots who wanted to start shit in a crowd that size.

[sulphurdunn]

38. Whether or not anyone threw a bottle

is irrelevant because eventually someone will, whether its a protester or an agent provocateur doesn't matter. It will happen. The cops will be unleashed and the press will have a field day creating a narrative that portrays the protesters as anarchists. That's how it's always done. People need to quit spreading the corporate meme that any act of violence by the protesters is a defeat for them. That is just plain bullshit.

[AsahinaKimi]

40. What she has said has put a new light on this

incident and it doesn't look good for anyone. I would also like to see the video tapes of proof, that bottles and rocks were thrown. Sure it could have been people planted to do this..or it could have been people who were stupid, and didn't get the idea of what the protest was about in the first place..


I don't like this at all.. I certainly don't know anything about Tasaha Casini, but find it hard do believe she was some kind of plant, to confirm what the Police said, and got on Network TV to say so.

This whole thing stinks to high heaven, and needs further investigation. Until then, its just wise to see what pans out.