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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 03:53 PM
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"Kucinich's entire approach has repeatedly been proven false."
This piece by Steve Benen has been posted elsewhere but I think it's worthy for the BOG.

I don't understand why dennis doesn't think he can get anywhere on just the facts?`

"A RECORD OF POST-PASSAGE PROGRESS.... Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) has received a fair amount of pressure lately, following his stated intention to join right-wing Republicans in killing health care reform, because, as he sees it, the Democratic plan is too conservative.< [br />
The liberal Ohioan talked to Benjy Sarlin yesterday about his position, and repeatedly cited the work of Jacob Hacker, the Yale professor who was largely responsible for crafting the idea of a public option. That's an odd rhetorical choice -- Hacker has repeatedly said he wants Congress to pass the Democratic proposal. Kucinich is citing a scholar, while ignoring the scholar's judgment. Perhaps he doesn't know about Hacker's conclusion?

But this observation, related to the public option, was even more striking.

Kucinich says he doesn't buy Obama's latest argument to progressives that there will be other opportunities to improve upon the legislation once they help him pass this bill.

"Fix it later, are you kidding?" he said. "If you don't get it in the bill up front, it's not going to happen."

Now, the president really has told progressive lawmakers that Congress can return to the public option later, and incorporate the idea into this reform framework. The notion that improvements like the public option are gone forever if they don't pass immediately is foolish.

But just as importantly, it's a belief that's belied by history. Kucinich's entire approach has repeatedly been proven false.

On all of the major progressive breakthroughs from recent generations, it's not even a close call."

Continue reading...

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"When Medicaid passed, for example, it did very little for low-income adults, which is now seen as the point of the program. There were no doubt progressive advocates who, at the time of its passage, feared that it wasn't ambitious enough, and that if they didn't get improvements in the bill up front, they wouldn't happen. With the benefit of hindsight, we know those fears were incorrect.

When Medicare passed, it all but ignored people with disabilities, didn't cover prescription drugs, and made no allowances for home health services. It was, at best, a limited program at its inception. There may have been liberal Dems who thought that if they didn't get improvements in the bill up front, they wouldn't happen. With the benefit of hindsight, we know those fears were incorrect.

When Social Security passed, the benefits were negligible, and the program excluded agricultural workers, domestic workers, the self-employed, railroad employees, government employees, clergy, and those who worked for non-profits. The original Social Security bill offered no benefits for dependents or survivors, and included no cost-of-living increases. There were plenty of liberals at the time who thought Dems had watered down the plan to the point where its value had all but disappeared, and that if they didn't get improvements in the bill up front, they wouldn't happen. With the benefit of hindsight, we know those fears were incorrect."


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—Steve Benen 11:00 AM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (51)
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/

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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 04:02 PM
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1. My, my Kick please
To bad we don't have the option of a R button but K will just have to do.

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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 04:07 PM
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2. Those who feel strongly about passing important legislation on
establishing a Museum for the Ukraine, DK's most outstanding actual legislative achievement, would disagree.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 04:44 PM
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3. Yes, I know..there is that..but,
for those who are into Progress on important matters will just have to forge ahead without the museum guy.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 07:09 PM
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4. "the museum guy"

That should become our new inhouse snarky reference of DK
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 11:37 PM
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10. Now, Now, don' be hatin'......
:rofl:
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mr1956 Donating Member (211 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 07:37 PM
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5. Thanks for the link
I love coming to DU because I have the opportunity to learn. I can only hope someone points out these facts to Mr. Kucinich so he can stop making a tool of himself.
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nevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 07:47 PM
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6. It is very simple
Dennis votes no and Health Care Bill passes = much press and many interviews for Dennis
Dennis votes no and Health Care Bill fails = much press and many interviews for Dennis
Dennis votes yes and Health Care bill passes = zippo for Dennis
Dennis votes yes and Health Care bill fails = zippo for Dennis
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 07:52 PM
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7. Yeah, ..all he's lost
is his integrity.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 08:17 PM
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8. Comment from Steve Benen's "Political Animal"
Why does Kucinich not acknowledge that the Senate bill contains language drafted by Bernie Sanders that allows states to put in place their own single-payer programs? Or that the bill contains billions in funding for the creation of community health centers nationwide?

I'm not so convinced of Kucinich's altruism in voting "no". On the one hand, a "yes" vote brings relief from insurance company abuses. On the other hand, a "no" vote gives the green light to insurance companies to keep on keeping on with their heinous practices and to even kick it up a notch if they so please.

Given the consequences of a "yes" vote against the consequences of a "no" vote, why does Kucinich really still insist on voting "no." His "no" vote means he is voting with and for insurance companies.


Yet, in the world of Dennis and a majority of his fellow idealists, somehow this makes him more liberal than anyone else.

And unlike his fellow Dems, I haven't heard Kucinich refer once to a single person in his district who is in dire straits now whose situation would be helped by the bill. Is his district somehow the healthiest one in the entire U.S.? What justification does Kucinich have for those who, say, have diabetes and can't get insurance -- what does he tell them that justifies his "no" vote?

Toxic idealism (if it really is a case of idealism) doesn't do anyone any good."

Posted by: June on March 13, 2010 at 12:41 PM | PERMALINK
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_03/022846.php#more
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 09:13 PM
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9. I am just LOVING
that Dennis Kucinich is finally getting run over the fucking coals. It is long-deserved. He is useless as a Congressman.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 06:32 PM
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11. Yeah, all those who use disingenuous claims against
those who are actually doing the work to help Americans need to be raked over and over.. and I'm talking about glen fucking greenwald here.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 08:12 PM
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12. dennis is the scammer..
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