GOP RON PAUL...He speaks,,,People Listen..But..Trapped,,in a party of deciet.Truth is not trusted

[opihimoimoi]

This just reveals the nature of the GOP Party....they cannot deal with Truth and Reality...so Ron Paul ends up as an outcast....bewildering ...isn't it?

[jgraz]

1. What does that say about our party's treatment of Kucinich and Gravel?

:shrug:

[malaise]

2. Bingo n/t

[TheWatcher]

24. .....

And Very Well Said.

[opihimoimoi]

3. They may not be the popular candidates...but they are not OUTCASTS

as the GOP is treating Paul....they actually wanted to keep him from participating but feared a backlash...

[jgraz]

4. You don't think the Dems tried to kick out Gravel?

I'm pretty sure I heard they did just that.

[opihimoimoi]

6. I didn't hear that...mighta been....but It never got to me...

[Dhalgren]

5. It is only a matter of time until more venues cutout all but the top three.

Soon they will cutout Edwards, as well. If the Democratic Party allows this "pre-selection" to continue it will suffer - but the Party seems not to care about things like that.

[opihimoimoi]

7. But only 1 can win the big prize? This is how it was designed....

[Dhalgren]

13. Yeah, you're right. And it's not like it is going to matter one way or the other, anyway...

[TheWatcher]

25. The Pre-Selection was determined a long time ago.

Most have not figured that out yet.

Perhaps when in 2008, the choice is Hillary Tyranny VS. Rudy Tyranny, people will figure out there was never any choice at all.

[opihimoimoi]

30. I still feel Optimism will somehow prevail.....

[BeHereNow]

37. Hello? SO true, are you.

Choice- in perfect keeping with the Hegel model- there
never has BEEN a choice, simply enough illusion to
stave off the masses with the delusion of "choice."
i.e. a "two party' government system
BHN

[FreeMeFromInsanity]

40. I hear you loud and clear

How many more clues do people need to see? I've stated I would vote for Ron Paul but deep down I know the candidate has already been chosen.

[StarryNite]

32. In a way it seems to be more the media

that is ostracizing them. The media seems to be doing the dirty work for the neocon machine by trying to choose our candidate through ignore and smear tactics.

[opihimoimoi]

39. Those Nasty GOP and their Nefarious ways/tatics....Damn them for they are hurting America

Big Time

[KharmaTrain]

8. He's The Gift That Keeps Giving

Ron Paul is one of the best cons in American politics. It just shows how off the deep end the Repugnican party has gone that he sounds "reasonable". It's not how good of a candidate Paul is...if you look closely at his record, no Progressive or Liberal would go near the dude and any true Independent would be hard-pressed to see much common cause, either...but how morally and politically bankrupt the GOOP has become.

Paul's a great agent provocateur...and while he says he won't...I smell his as the third party exit many are searching for. I expected Gingrich to fill this role...and he may still...but it appears Paul is using these debates to raise his profile and then could easily bolt (he did run third party in '88) and take some GOOP votes with him.

At least there's someone in those awful debates to push Ghouliani and the others further to the right...

[opihimoimoi]

10. The Analytical Master

Sending wine and lobsters :toast:

[KharmaTrain]

12. Ya Sure That's Not Anal-Lyitical???

I always defer to my friend from the Aloha State when it comes to making sense of things. :toast:

I remember a great restaurant...right on the southern tip of the big Island...great seafood. I hope it's still there.

Now we gotta get you to YearlyKos...show ya the "big city"

Cheers...

:hi:

[opihimoimoi]

14. Opi went to many big cities in da past....I like Kaneohe by the Bay

Small town of 70,000

Opi been to Chicago, NY Big Apple, New Orleans, London, Paris, Rome, Venice, Lisbon, San Francisco....and Waimanalo....

[blondeatlast]

17. We need to examine him in preparation for that third-party bid

--uniformed voters are only going to see his anti-Iraq invasion creds and won't look into his voting recors, which is worse than abysmal for progressive issues.

He's a wacko Liberartarian who really isn't (regarding his votes on abortion rights, for instance), but I see him as you do, an agent provocateur. I also see him as a useful idiot for the Republicans--not only will he split off uninformed voters from the Democrats, buI can just see him getting shady RRRepublican money to run a la you-know-who if the Democrats become tooo successful in the polls.

He bears very close scrutiny, very close indeed.

[opihimoimoi]

31. We got the microscopes lighted.....It don look good for the Paul Guy

[bigtree]

9. Trapped?

like a mouse after republican cheese, maybe

[opihimoimoi]

11. LOL, yup...he is Trapped...stuck in an Obstinate Party...the GOP picked Bush 2X

Stuck with peeps who reject what Paul sez....

[LoZoccolo]

15. I don't know much about him, but it seems he's been an outcast for some time.

He seems to be a very staunch libertarian in a party that has largely embraced neoconservatism.

[opihimoimoi]

16. Poor Ron, he chose a Party that changed on him...he can't do anything right

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

18. Paul, IMHO is great for furthering the debate on the war and the assault on the Constitution. I am

opposed to him for his anti-choice and anti-entitlement position. I trust that if it was up to him, there never would have been a civil rights movement.

[ComerPerro]

19. How many times do I have to keep saying this: Ron Paul is not a hero, Ron Paul is not your friend

he is a batshit insane libertarian jackass, at best. Just because he doesn't like the war and doesn't seem to like Bush doesn't automatically make him great.

[High Plains]

20. I'll give him credit for calling for an end to the war on drugs.

I wish we had some more "batshit insane" politicians with the courage to attack our batshit insane drug laws.

Kucinich and Gravel are also good on drug policy reform.

Why is this issue relegated to the margins? $40 billion a year to arrest almost 2 million people a year and keep about 500,000 in prison. Almost 900,000 people arrested for pot, 90% of them for simple possession. The eroding Fourth Amendment. The prison-industrial complex. We've got something like 97 people in federal prison on terrorism charges and 97,000 on drug charges.

That's about all I like about Ron Paul. Guess I'm not a libertarian, just a libertine.

On edit: Oh, and his position on the Iraq war, too!

[ellisonz]

23. I will answer in song form.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oiUjnSEJUAk

[Swamp Rat]

21. Ron Paul is going to divide the repuke party in two.

Or at least take a large portion of disgruntled, libertarian-minded repukes with him. ;) :D

[opihimoimoi]

27. The GOP is suffering from Fractional Fatigue...which also plagued the DEM Party no end

His wounds to the GOP are deep and serious...He is the Correction Course hardly anyone wants to hear

Now the GOP get a taste of their own Brotherly Blood.

Love that Preempt and Plunder bumper sticker.....

[Swamp Rat]

29. I like watching Ron Paul rip the other repuke candidates to shreds with the truth about Bushler

and Iraq, but the rest of his anti-human, anti-environment platform sucks donkey balls.

[opihimoimoi]

33. He takes the EATING YOUR OWN Factor to New Levels..with him,. its an Art Form

[Swamp Rat]

35. Didn't you get the memo?

They've officially dumped Bushler (my poor poll needs help :( ):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1049141

[opihimoimoi]

38. No Loyalty in the GOP....Its save your ASS MODE...but a few obstinate ones remain

[in_cog_ni_to]

22. He should run as an Independent. SPLIT the party vote. Be a Ross Perot. n/t

[opihimoimoi]

34. Seems to be a possibility looming on yon horizon....

[nam78_two]

36. I wish Tancredo would too

That would be awesome! The neo-nazi fragment of their base wouldn't know what to do :evilgrin:.

[mdmc]

26. Kucinich!

Kucinich / Paul 2008

Power has a hard time with truth. The GOP and the Dems just can't handle the truth!

[opihimoimoi]

28. GOP/GREED/POWER.......

[LeftishBrit]

41. The Republicans always seem to be trying to move their party ever-further to the right...

and isolating all moderates. Just as our Tories did under Thatcher. That being said, I don't think Paul sounds like a moderate on anything except the war - I've looked him up in several places and he seems to be EXTREMELY economically right-wing, and anti-choice for women. I hope he splits the Republican party, but I hope he doesn't win!!!