Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Bush: "I strongly believe that we are in a war with a group of ideologues"

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 02:11 PM
Original message
Bush: "I strongly believe that we are in a war with a group of ideologues"
Edited on Wed Jun-06-07 02:29 PM by bigtree
Bush today: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/06/20070606-10.html

" I strongly believe that we are in a war with a group
of ideologues and that we can eventually win this war by promoting an
alternative ideology.

And so the speech yesterday was to speak clearly to people around the
world that the United States is committed to this freedom agenda, that
there is a realistic reason why we promote freedom, that it's for our own
security; there's a moral imperative to promote freedom, and that is to
recognize that there are people who live in societies that are still
repressive and that free nations have an obligation to work to secure their
liberty. I made it very clear that democracy takes time, that it takes
different forms in different places, but, nevertheless, there are
underlying principles which are essential to free societies."


There's so much here to rebut, but I think it all comes down to what he's demonstrated in Iraq.

Apparently, to Bush, 'freedom' for Iraqis involves invading and overthrowing their sovereign government, and occupying their country while arbitrarily directing assaults and airstrikes against those communities who actively resist the imposition of U.S. forces.

Take what Bush has done in Iraq and apply that example to Russia, for instance. Should they be allowed to posture as if their invasions and occupations of their neighbors are promotions of 'freedom?"

There is also the question of Bush's own double-standards toward other countries he chooses to regard as allies, or, even enemies, which clearly do not intend to adhere to any of his standards of 'freedom' or 'democracy.' Bush indicated that, although he couldn't wait to invade and occupy Iraq, he was willing to take a 'long-term' approach to Pakistan, Korea, Saudi Arabia, because of what he called, "the reality on the ground."



from the press conference today:


Q. How do you square your commitment to democracy and as a priority for
your foreign policy with what we're seeing in Pakistan now -- major ally in
the war on terror, but also a place where a core leadership of al Qaeda has
found some sanctuary in tribal areas, the government has been taking a
repressive attitude toward a free press, it's got into this conflict with
the judiciary, firing the chief justice. Have you had conversations with
Musharraf about democracy in his country? Do you want to see free and fair
elections in Pakistan?

BUSH: I do, and said that in Pakistan the time I was there,
standing right next to President Musharraf. And we do discuss democracy, as
well as routing out foreigners in his country who are an equal threat, a
threat to America and a threat to him.

It's a very -- Pakistan is an important ally in this war against these
extremists. As you mentioned, there are some in his country. And I'm
convinced that he would like to rout them out. But it's not easy territory
in which to rout people out. We've had some successes inside Pakistan,
thanks to his leadership. And in terms of the democracy issues, he's going
to have to deal with it. And the interesting question is is the issue about
uniform, and he addressed that at the last -- only time I've been in
Pakistan. He said he would seriously consider -- I don't want to put words
-- you'll have to pull up the press conference.

Q. But if you think democracy is the best way to confront radicals and
terrorists, shouldn't we be pushing hard for democracy to really get
established in Pakistan?

BUSH: Well, democracy is -- it's a lot more established in
Pakistan than some of the other nations I mentioned. And there's upcoming
elections. And what you're seeing is a lot of posturing about the election
process, and it's not perfect. Either was our democracy perfect for 100
years when we enslaved people.

And so it's -- we do push for democracy. We push in the context of the
reality on the ground, as well. I mentioned Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is a
close ally in the war on terror. His Majesty has done -- and his services
have done the world a service, a good service by bringing people to
justice. And he is also making some incremental reforms. He will go at a
pace slower than some would like to see; nevertheless, he's moving. And the
question is, is there progress?

We live in a world where people expect things to happen overnight, and
that's just not the way it works. I think it's going to be important for
whoever is President to take a long-term view of the ability of democracies
to progress and, therefore, change.


Bush is making it up as he goes along, and the more intelligent leaders of the countries he's rationalized out of his 'freedom agenda' will take full advantage of the ignorant contradictions and double-standards of the cobbled philosophy he's built around his military imperialism in the Middle East.


http://journals.democraticunderground.com/bigtree
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 02:18 PM
Response to Original message
1. I hate this a$$hole so much.
Edited on Wed Jun-06-07 02:20 PM by alyce douglas
I can't even read what he says without doing this :puke:

* talking about Saudi Arabia, does he remember that those 19 from 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia. * is totally whacked out.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. you know, it is overwhelming when you consider how much all of this is a lie
to justify his aggression against Iraq
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 02:21 PM
Response to Original message
3. Insane, totally nuts, confabulating, deceitful? Talking Points 101
Incredible. How to take 1 minor point (control, war is peace) and talk all around it to finally end up soooo confusing, it must be really deep.

War is peace. Progress is change. War of ideologies. blah blah blah.

Hard to figure out what he is saying, but he says it repetitively.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #3
7. sounds like he wants his own master race.
Edited on Wed Jun-06-07 02:38 PM by alyce douglas
and religion, crusades for everyone. I hate him. How much more are we going to take? wait until he leaves and by then America will never look or be the same.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ioo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 02:22 PM
Response to Original message
4. He would know an ideologue when he sees it, he is one!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 02:40 PM
Response to Reply #4
10. definitely, he talks about something or someone else but
he is talking about himself. He is an ideologue, a delusional one.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 03:37 PM
Response to Reply #4
15. Exactly! Look in the mirror, George FUBAR Bush, and tell me what you see.
:puke:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #4
19. It's that pot and the black thang again.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 02:25 PM
Response to Original message
5. He's right. The idealogues are called "neocons." n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 02:25 PM
Response to Original message
6. 3500 dead GI's and 655,000 dead Iraqis. 4.2 million refugees. The fruits of "democracy."
“What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy.” - Gandhi
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 06:16 PM
Response to Reply #6
20. we are no better than any other sick regime that has sick leader.
* is a$$hole.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
antonialee839 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 02:35 PM
Response to Original message
8. What Dimwit? You and Condi on the outs
with the rest of the gang again?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 02:37 PM
Response to Original message
9. I think he takes what we say about him and then tries to use it against other people.
He must be painfully stupid.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 03:15 PM
Response to Original message
11. "with a group of Idealogues". Is the idealogues fer us or agin us?
I am guessing could be either.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Sapere aude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 03:25 PM
Response to Original message
12. It reads like he is being coached. Instead of saying ugh all the time he starts a sentence
then changes thought in mid speak.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 03:33 PM
Response to Original message
13. I know AMERICA is, and the "ideologues" are Bush and Cheney!
Edited on Wed Jun-06-07 03:38 PM by WinkyDink
Bush plans Global War------to bring FREEDOM!!

Does he plan to overthrow all tyrants AND monarchs?! Is he going to overthrow the Pope?!

O.................M....................G!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It cannot be said enough: He is clinically, and criminally, INSANE.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bamacrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 03:36 PM
Response to Original message
14. Is this like his dictator quote?
It would be easier as long as I am the ideologue. what a douche bag.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 03:46 PM
Response to Original message
16. As are we
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 03:46 PM
Response to Original message
17. THE WHOLE WORLD REJECTS HIS IDEOLOGUE-ISM!!!
This man is,...sick, criminally sick.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-06-07 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #17
18. Busholini said that god has decreed that Freedom shall
Edited on Wed Jun-06-07 04:09 PM by Disturbed
reign over the World. He is following god's plan. God of the Old Testament helped the Israelites slaughter millions. The same plan is still in progress with Busholini in charge.

"Freedom is not this country's gift to the world. Freedom is the Almighty's gift to every man and woman in this world. And, as the greatest power on the face of the earth, we have an obligation" to carry out the Lord's mission." GW Bush

It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing of innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said “Thou shall not kill”. For example, God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21). God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3). He orders another attack and the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses” (Joshua 6). In Judges 21, He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife! Just about every other page in the Old Testament has God killing somebody! In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered.

http://www.evilbible.com/
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed May 01st 2024, 07:13 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC