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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 01:52 AM
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Hillary would make the best Prez for several reasons....
- she's a woman. It's time.

- Bill is her husband. You get her, you get part of him.

- Gore is obviously close to that family.

- She has age and experience. Obama should take the job in 8 years.

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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 01:53 AM
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1. I refuse to vote for gender or because of someone's spouse!
What an inane reason to vote for someone!
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 01:56 AM
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3. Uh...why is it "insane" to consider the spouse when voting for someone?
Are you married? Does your spouse have any influence on you?

nuff said.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 03:25 AM
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22. I am.And he has run for office.People did not vote for him because of me.
He was the candidate.They should vote for the candidate.And the officeholder should be responsible for their own decisions.I would not vote for Hillary to get Bill as an advisor.Bill could advise anyone without being married to them.BTW, Gore is NOT close to Clinton.They are not close as families either.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 06:20 AM
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32. You're probbly right that in the past people did not vote FOR someone
because of their spouse, but they sure have voted AGAINST someone because of their spouse! Remember all the flack Kerry took over Theresa?

Look at the stories about Fred Thompson's wife!

And if you want to go back far enough, Bill Clinton took a lot of flack becase HIS WIFE was considered too strong and too influential!
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 01:56 AM
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2. "Gore is obviously close to that family." No....I think this family is
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 01:59 AM
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5. What is that picture supposed to say to us?
Posting that and pretending that you've made some kind of point is just silly.

Take a stand....say something intelligent about your picture if you think it's relavent. Otherwise......

:shrug:
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 02:13 AM
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10. No it is not silly
the look on Jr. face says it all
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 02:45 AM
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19. Ok. In your own words, what does it say? n/t
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 03:31 AM
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26. A thousand words
To me the exclamation to happiness and joy should tell you something
If it doesn't, they a thousand words won't help.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 04:23 AM
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30. What are your words on this photo?
Do you think that GWH bush is a criminal?

Love how the Clintons support Carter
Oh, yes give me that Photo
and one with Gore coming to helping the people of Katrina

He came there but support Bush daddy in the
help for Katrina...........that worked well.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 09:59 AM
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41. Beat me to it!
I was going to say that last I heard, Gore had distanced himself from Bill and Hillary during his 2000 campaign and the distance has just grown larger since then.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-23-07 05:41 AM
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101. Bill and Hillary Clinton were at his daughter's recent wedding
Or so it was reported. I don't have a commment one way or the other about the "campaign," just wanted to contribute that for informational purposes.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 01:57 AM
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4. Ah, so the truth comes out.
What a shocker. :eyes:
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 02:00 AM
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6. Excuse me?
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 02:00 AM
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7. Huh?
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 08:32 PM
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87. You're excused.
We knew you didn't really like Gore anyway.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 02:06 AM
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8. Don't be silly
"she's a woman. It's time."

Being a woman doesn't make her better than anyone else running. Sorry, no bonus points given.

"Bill is her husband. You get her, you get part of him."

Bill wasn't a great president, he was merely a moderate Dem. No gain here either.

"Gore is obviously close to that family."

No he isn't.

"She has age and experience. Obama should take the job in 8 years."

By that argument Mike Gravel is the best candidate, as he is older and has more experience. Or perhaps Bill Richardson, if quality and depth of experience is valued. I support neither of those by the way.

You are wrong. If you want to convince me that Hillary is a good candidate you need a better argument.

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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 02:10 AM
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9. I disagree.
- she's a woman. It's time.

Perhaps it is, and she is a woman. Not that rare, as they go.

- Bill is her husband. You get her, you get part of him.

Yes, the NAFTA part and the media monopolization part.

- Gore is obviously close to that family.

Is he? They seemed rather chilly IIRC.

- She has age and experience.

She has not a moment of executive branch experience, and as far as
who should take the job in 8 years, well, who knows.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 02:37 AM
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15. So..that fact that she's a woman, Bill is her husband, and Gore has a connection
all that means nothing to you.

You say women are "not that rare". Correct you are, but that's like a global warming denier saying that water vapor is by far the main greenhouse gas.

No woman has ever been president.

You have beefs with her husband Bill.

Do you not think he would be a good First Gentleman?

He has an amazing wealth of experience that stretches over past decades. To dismiss that over a couple of decisions he made is narrow.


And this comment of yours:
"She has not a moment of executive branch experience"
is very odd.

Do you not think 8 YEARS IN THE WHITE HOUSE
MARRIED TO THE PRESIDENT
gives you any insight or "experience in the executive branch"?????


:shrug:
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 03:59 AM
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29. And so now you yell so late at night
by increasing fonts?

LOL............

I HAVE PLENTY OF INSIGHT ON THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH BESIDES JUST THE CLINTONS


I am ready for the future and not the past
do you understand that?
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 02:17 AM
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11. Condi Rice has more experience and she is black and a woman
if you want to go that route.

Just about the same relevance.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 02:42 AM
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18. You seriously thing Condi has more executive experience?
Come on. Hillary was the First Lady for 8 years, and had interestes beyond libraries.

Not to mention, taking Bill to the WH means his experience becomes her experience.


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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 03:28 AM
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24. First Lady is NOT executive experience! And Bill's experience is NOT her experience.He was president
she was not.Hillary has NO executive experience.The only candidate with executive experience on our side is Richardson.He is a Governor!
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 03:47 AM
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28. It does if you think it is a kingdom
and a continuation of fiefdoms with royal succession

The royal players play on the party boat of Rupert Murdock's
ships while the helm is stewarded by the captains of industry.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 10:45 AM
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45. Excuse me? I didn't say anything about who my choice was .It is a fact that
Richardson is the only candidate with executive bona fides. All the other candidates are current or former members of the House or Senate.And I have no problem with that.That is why a governor is the usual candidate.The only candidate that the 'royal sucession" charge can be laid at is Hillary.Whatever are you talking about?
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AJ9000 Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 02:22 AM
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12. Those are very weak arguments and she is the one Dem candidate who could blow it
for us in the 08 general election.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 02:25 AM
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13. Thanks for figuring it all out for everyone. I guess the other candidates can close up shop.
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 02:40 AM
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17. Just telling you my opinion. No need to be so pissy. Maybe you see it too, and don't like it?
:shrug:
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 03:15 AM
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21. See "it"? See what, the inevitability con? Not fallin' for the okey doke.
:boring:
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 03:26 AM
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23. "It" being the topic statement. The topic. n/t
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 04:31 PM
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74. "it" being the flame-bait OP...
You are right not to get sucked in.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 02:27 AM
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14. Let's just say she is not a white male and leave it at that.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 02:39 AM
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16. wrong place n/t
Edited on Sun Jul-22-07 02:40 AM by Harper_is_Bush
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AdHocSolver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 02:55 AM
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20. Hillary Clinton probably would generate the most hostility among voters of all the candidates...
and moreover, a lot of Americans dislike Bill Clinton. She has little chance of winning the general election.

That is why I do not want to see her be the Democratic nominee.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 03:29 AM
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25. Stephen Douglas, John Nance Garner, and LBJ all had experience
Doesn't mean they would've been better Presidents than the guys who ultimately got the job.
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 03:36 AM
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27. Yeah but what about her house? And the light-bulbs that she uses?
I wonder... :think:
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 05:59 AM
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31. Hillary is the best candidate corporate money can buy
There is no doubt about that because the Republican field is a joke. If you want corporatism to keep flourishing and trouncing the rights of individuals, then elect Hillary.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 07:00 AM
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35. I believe that position belongs to Obama.
Follow the money. I know, I know it's been the meme on DU for a while, but then again it is a meme.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 06:26 AM
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33. I haven't been looking at the candidates by gender or their
relationship to other politicins...at least not yet. I'm looking for the candidate that is intelligent, uses common sense, and has the BEST ability to respond to the crap the Pubs continuously throw at their opposition...true or not! When I read Hillary's response to Gates regarding the letter his assistant sent to her, she got another very positive mark in the YES COLUMN on my list! That's exactly what our candidate has to do!!! Respond quickly, professionally, and very forcefully!!!
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Wesin04 Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 06:34 AM
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34. Reasoning is all wrong
Sorry, I don't vote for a woman just because that's my gender. I want the most competent, capable leader possible, and in my book, its not Hillary.

Second, Hillary wouldn't be where she is in the polls without her husband. If we were voting for her because of him (presuming she needs him to help figure out the soultions to our country's problems), what happens if Bill's health goes south? I vote for a candidate because the are the most competent, capable leader. Not because of their spouse.

Where, oh where did you get the impression that Gore is close to the Clintons? That's almost laughable! Bill Clinton is the Bush family new best buddy-at least Poppy Bush.

These comments are not in defense of Obama or any of the current group of candidates. They are just my thoughts on your reasoning to vote for Hillary.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 08:43 AM
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36. I agree with you that Hillary would make the best president
The Clintons already have the respect of people and leaders around the world

I believe those relationships will go a long way in repairing our horrible world image


Besides her intelligence, Hillary comes across as tougher, and more confident than the other candidates


The far left loons and the far right loons may hate her, but the polls show she is out ahead

with the great in-between. She will be a fantastic president
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 10:02 AM
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42. "The far left loons'"???
Okay, so when my local party calls me and wants me to knock on doors or phone bank for them, I will tell them I am just a far left loon and since I hate Hillary, they wouldn't want my help anyway.

Sounds like a plan then! :sarcasm:
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 10:24 AM
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44. I imagine the party would rather not be represented by unstable volunteers
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 11:01 AM
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46. Then I take it the party has forgotten what we "far left loons"
(your term, not mine) did to help them win Congress back last November. I am an anti-war activist and I know activists all over the country, all of whom put their feet to the ground this time last year to take back Congress. We don't take too kindly to being called "loons".

It is way past time for you DLC folks to recognize that OUR party is a big tent. And many of us on the far left are the MOST ACTIVE grassroots workers. I personally gave hours and hours to my local party last year, helping identify voters, knocking on doors and running up my cell phone minutes. I also spent more money than I care to remember buying office supplies and food for our district headquarters, since the DLC wing of the party was too busy sitting on their asses at home and believing that a few dollars once every election cycle and a yard sign was all they were obligated to do to support their party.

Two years ago, in Crawford, TX, there were 12,000 "far left loons" who cared enough about this country to show up to support Cindy Sheehan. A month ago, several hundred "far left loons" gathered in Chicago to discuss strategy and how we could best HELP THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY take the country back. In January and again in March, hundreds of thousands of "far left loons" traveled to DC to show their support for ending the war and impeaching the president.

Now if you really believe the DLC wing of the party is stupid enough to call us on the left names and discount the work we have done to HELP ELECT DEMOCRATS then the party is in worse shape than I thought.

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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 11:45 AM
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48. Synopsis......boohoo blah..blah blah..me..me..me
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 11:59 AM
Response to Reply #48
49. Actually, more like us...us...us!!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:12 PM
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51. Count me among the far left loons who is just unstable enough
Edited on Sun Jul-22-07 12:12 PM by sfexpat2000
not to support a DLC corporatist somewhere to the right of Richard Nixon.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:15 PM
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54. Hi Far Left Loon!
Edited on Sun Jul-22-07 12:15 PM by Madspirit
Just a :hi: and a :hug: from another far left loon.

Lee
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:22 PM
Response to Reply #54
61. The whole flock is up, I see!
:hi:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 02:17 PM
Response to Reply #61
68. Oh we are a flock?
I would rather be a herd. :)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 02:19 PM
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69. Or a flood!
:)
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:16 PM
Response to Reply #48
56. Wow...the Centrist Loon has such a way with words.
:rofl:


Lee
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:32 PM
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64. Synopsis: "America’s anti-Hillary Clinton alliance is growing by the day"
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/07/15/2545

Jane Fonda says that Hillary is a “ventriloquist for the patriarchy with a skirt and a vagina. It may be that a feminist, progressive man would do better in the White House.”

For Fonda, the big disappointment was Hillary’s 2002 Congressional vote giving George Bush the green light to go to war on Iraq. It turns out that Hillary didn’t bother to read the top-secret intelligence report, that she as a senator was given access to before the vote. The six senators who did read it all voted against, because the still-secret report seems to have persuaded them that the case for war was flimsy.

“Women sometimes bend the wrong way just to prove themselves to men,” remarked Fonda. “But when we learn to listen to ourselves, that will be revolutionary.”

Americans might well ask who is the real Hillary Clinton? Her potential supporters are certainly having trouble working it out. Is Hillary a liberal who has been victimized by a “vast right-wing conspiracy”, or a scheming political control-freak who will stop at nothing in her bid to become the first Mrs President?

.... She is obviously number two. :puke:
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 08:38 PM
Response to Reply #46
90. Hey, loons are the state bird of Minnesota! No, really!
I'm delighted to be a far left loon, who was more interested in getting Kerry elected than he was in getting himself elected, I guess, judging from the way he conceded before some people had even voted.

Koo-woo-hoo. :-)
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 08:04 PM
Response to Reply #42
82. I thought that we had seen the last of that slur
Once, as you posted, the dlc figured out just who makes the donations and who does the work, that slur had disappeared.

I guess they need to be reminded again.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 08:23 PM
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85. Do these centrists not understand how the religious right got so much power
in the republican party? They put their feet to the ground and did the grunt work knocking on doors and phone banking. They built up the party when many had abandoned it or refused to do the legwork. Then they had a voice in the party. They had earned it.

This is how Tom DeLay rose to power. He recognized what the religious right was doing and he moved from being Hot Tub Tom to I Love Jesus Tom. Pretty soon he had all the help he needed to win his elections.

Same thing is happening to the Democratic party today. But instead of being welcomed, the activists who are doing the grunt work are being pushed out. This thread right here is a graphic example.

So the DLCers need to either get to work or be a bit more welcoming to those who ARE doing the work.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:13 PM
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52. Well then, maybe THIS far left loon will take her vote elsewhere
What a crock of crap thing to say. Well, I guess not for a Centrist or RWer. Actually it's kind of par for the course. So nevermind. What else should I expect.

Oh wait, this Group has "Underground" in it's very name and "progressive" in it's very description. I guess I do belong here. Maybe you should consider "Centrist/RW Underground".

Lee
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #52
55. that would be the DLC
a front for republicans pretending to be Democratics. FDR would be rolling in his grave.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:18 PM
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57. Another Far Left Loon
:hi: :hug:

Lee *Proud Far Left Loon*
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:19 PM
Response to Reply #57
59. I prefer
Far Left Lion!

:hug:

:hi:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:25 PM
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62. Loons are quite beautiful.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:26 PM
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63. very true...
how did they/we get such a bad rap??

:)
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 02:20 PM
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70. Hey that looks like my cousin!
I always knew he was a further to the left loon than I am! :rofl:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 03:48 PM
Response to Reply #70
72. LOL! How dare you lefter my kids!
:rofl:
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 04:35 PM
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75. I'm down with being a Far Left Lion!!
:)
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:13 PM
Response to Reply #36
53. the world realizes Hillary is a corporatist first and foremost
and a neocon/aipac/dlc warmonger. Not just the "looney left" but the whole fucking world. DLCers need to quit drinking the kool-aide because they will be SHOCKED when very few turn out to support their LOONEY RIGHT candidate. Oh, and I trust these polls as much as the ones showing support for w back in 2004.

:eyes:
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 08:30 PM
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86. Far Left Loon checking in.
A far-left loon who predicted the second attack on the World Trade Center, predicted that no weapons of mass destruction would be found in Iraq, realized that the invasion was illegal, immoral and more than likely would result in an insurgency, realized that Americans would soon be pretty sorry that they felt they needed to have huge gas-guzzling vehicles.

A far-left loon who was HORRIFIED to see H. Clinton, John Kerry, John Edwards and others whom I was depending on to stand up for humanist values, intelligent analysis and to fight the rising right-wing influence, only to see them enable George W. Bush, of all people by voting for IWR.

Two masters degrees (o.k. I didn't actually finish my thesis for the second one, but I took all the classes!). Yeah, I'm a real looney.

If you mean radical totalitarian leftest, no, I'm not one of those. I deplore totalitarianism. Am I a vegetarian? No, but I probably should be. Do I have long hair? No, I don't have much of any hair. But, if being an open-minded secular humanist who maintains a healthy skeptical suspicion of authority and believes that peace and skepticism of automatic corporate and military solutions to any problem is not the same as being a "pacifist" (or a "communist"), then, yeah, I'm a far-left looney.

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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 08:37 PM
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89. You mean the far left loons that won us the congress in 2006?
The ones like me who phone banked and went door-to-door and got people to the polls while the rational adult centrists sat on their asses? Those far-left loons?

Maybe you'd like to see what the Democratic party looks like without us. Nominate Hillary and you might get your chance.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 08:47 AM
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37. I will never vote for a CORPORATIST!!
Why do you think this country is so fucked up?
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RedCappedBandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 08:52 AM
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38. Thats it?
Looks like we're in trouble.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 09:44 AM
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39. i can give you three reasons why she'd be an incredibly shitty president-
D.
L.
C.
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 09:56 AM
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40. Not a word about her policies?
I guess even Dems have a hard time requiring substance to their reasons for voting for someone. That must be human nature.

While your list is nice, the items certainly don't contain substance.

A woman? That's nice and I think we'd all love to see that but it is certainly no reason to vote for someone.

Bill? Bill will be there for any Dem president. He's a team player.

Gore? I don't think the Gores and Clintons are bestest of pals.

Age? Experience? Well that sure didn't help old Dick Cheney did it?

Give me some policy differences. Where is she on Iraq that is different than her opponents? WHere is she on important international policy? What is her thought about separation of powers? What would she suggest about improving the economy and the value of the dollar? How will she deal with Putin? China? Iran? How would she choose a Supreme Ct. Justice? How will she clean out the justice department? Will she push for investigations into the previous administration? Who would she likely have in her cabinet? Will she be wedded to the DLC and if so how will that affect us all? How will she bring back accountability to the executive branch? What will she do about the military industrial complex? Is she too entangled with corporate American? Will this affect her ability to be a populist? What about the environment? What are her plans there?

How do the answers to the above questions set her apart from the other Democratic candidates?

Let's not revert to high school mentality and vote for the most popular....let's vote for the most capable.

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 10:05 AM
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43. 1. a sexist remark and not a good reason to vote for anyone
If that was really true, then we could also promote voting for Condi.

2. When I voted for Bill Clinton, I was voting for HIM, not for his wife. Same thing will be true if Hillary gets my vote.

3. No, Gore USED TO BE close to that family, but I think he has kept his distance for many years now.

4. 6 years in the Senate is not really very much experience.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 11:11 AM
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47. No DLC member will get my vote.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:01 PM
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50. Uggg...
What the hell? Those are your reasons for electing her to be President? This is a very disheartening OP.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:19 PM
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58. That's a pretty lame resume.
I mean, if I was applying for a position, and the best arguments I could make for getting it were that one good canidate and I were friends, another was younger than me, that my SO used to do the same thing and might help me out, and that I'm a woman, I wouldn't get an interview. Honestly, I'd be embarrassed to apply if those were the best arguments for hiring me.

Because stripped down that's what this campaign process is- we're hiring a CEO for the country on a four year contract. So let's focus on who's best qualified to do the work, getting sidetracked by everything else is how we got stuck with Bush.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:19 PM
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60. Lame.
Lame.Lame.Lame.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:37 PM
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65. Obama has more experience than Clinton. 6 years in elected office vs. Obama's 11
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 09:00 PM
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93. He could have 20 years experience and the country will call him a lightweight
because he is one.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:45 PM
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66. OK, Reality check. She is only 5 points ahead, according to the latest polls
of Giulianni, inexplicably McCain, and other republican numb nuts.

This election will be lost by us for sure if we nominate her.

Why the missive from the Defense Department just aimed at her? To get us to rally around Hillary. They WANT her to run, they are salivating that she will be our nominee. WE WILL LOOSE if she is our nominee.

If it was not an almost 6 point margin of error over Giuliani say a twenty pointer, then maybe. Six points? are you kidding us? There are more Democrats I know that universally will not vote for her. Myself included.

Stop will the shilling for a lost cause. A cause the republicans will lead with trumpets and fanfare.
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 12:53 PM
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67. she would make a decent President..
She has age and experience. wow..a reason not to vote against her!

Bill is her husband. You get her, you get part of him. another reason not to vote against her?

Gore is obviously close to that family. is that a reason to vote for or against her?

she's a woman. it's time. its past time for a woman as President, but its also time for a Democrat as President..and one who can win, regardless of gender!

does this mean we should nominate her? sorry, but your argument hasn't won my primary vote.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 02:20 PM
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71. She'd be much better than any republic, that's true.
And I admit that having Bill on board would be exciting and useful.

But, please don't nominate her because I can't vote for her.
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 04:10 PM
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73. The minute Canada is allowed to vote for my president...
is the minute I'll consider your suggestion.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 05:54 PM
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76. Maybe you should listen to Canada a bit more, hmmm?
yeah, maybe so.
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 06:35 PM
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77. Why?
Edited on Sun Jul-22-07 06:36 PM by Blue Belle
I haven't seen any merit in their advice.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 07:34 PM
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78. No merit to Candian advice? So....invading Iraq was a good decision in your view?
:wtf:
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 07:53 PM
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79. Well... maybe your girl Hillary should have listened to Canada...
She voted for the war after all. Where was Bill to influence her on that one? Where was her woman's intuition on how this war would progress? Where was her solidarity with Gore when he was making speeches about what a huge mistake the Iraq war would be? It's pretty clear that all of her years serving as First Lady didn't quite prepare her for that decision... but apparently this business of leading is a little more complicated than drafting a failed health care policy and campaigning for her husband. By the way... what is her solution for Iraq now other than leaving the troops there?

Don't get me wrong... I like Canada, but when it comes to choosing my president, I'll make my own decisions.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 08:48 PM
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92. "She voted for the war after all".....what a rightwing talking point.
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 09:40 PM
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94. It's not a talking point... its the truth.
Edited on Sun Jul-22-07 09:40 PM by Blue Belle
An inconvenient one for your arguments.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 09:44 PM
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95. It is a talking point. Nobody voted for the war. The vote wasn't "do we go to war?". It was used
to defeat Kerry.

And now you're using it.
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 09:49 PM
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98. I'm using it because it is her voting record...
One that will constantly be the albatross around her neck, and yet another reason not to vote for her.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 10:28 PM
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99. It is her voting record, according to FOX news I guess.
To thinking Americans, nobody "voted for war", they voted to give Bush the authority...with a large number of caveats which were ignored.

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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 11:17 PM
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100. Thinking Americans realize Hillary's stance on the war...
Edited on Sun Jul-22-07 11:18 PM by Blue Belle
remind me again what plans she has to end the occupation and bring home the troops?

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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 07:54 PM
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80. Yeah. Canada sucks!
Free Quebec!
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 08:10 PM
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83. Ha!
:+
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 08:34 PM
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88. The same Canada that chose Harper?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

No thanks.
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Harper_is_Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 08:48 PM
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91. Yes, the same Canada that expressed such disdain for Bush...before YOU chose him for a second term.
nice job.
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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 09:46 PM
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97. Absolutely not. n/t
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 08:02 PM
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81. I like Hillary more and more, but disagree with all of your reasons to support her.
Electing a female president would be a progressive statement, but electing a woman just because she's a woman is insulting.

I love Bill Clinton. If I had children, I'd tell them "back in my day, we had good presidents like Bill Clinton." :) But he's not an accessory. I don't see why he should give up what he's doing now to play house husband at dinner parties and the like.

If Gore wants to run, Gore needs to run. I'm not so sure Hillary and Al are bestest friends, but it doesn't really matter either way. After all, George W. Bush thinks Jesus is his copilot.

I agree with the experience comment, but don't think Obama has to wait. Even though I predict it will be Hillary/Edwards, I think Obama has the qualifications too.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 08:11 PM
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84. She's too conservative and corporate. So is Obama.
Gender and race aside.

I personally like Hillary and think she's brilliant. She's just not holding the right positions on issues for me.
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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 09:45 PM
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96. On which day? And in front of which crowd?
You don't know what she believes because there's no reliable trail of evidence. She can't hold a candle to someone like Senator Boxer, a true warrior for the cause.

Hillary a hollow candidate who will set back the women's movement at least a generation.

On a related note, the "it's time for a woman" is sexist and demeaning to women. It presumes that gender is a determinant (and I should remind you that you listed it first), and that is no way to treat people (regardless of which gender YOU are). What does that mean, exactly? That you'd vote for Ann Coulter over John Edwards because "it's time" for a woman president? Give me a break. Give the sexism a rest.
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