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kurth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 12:59 PM Original message |
Man arrested in NY on hate-crime charges for throwing Quran in toilet |
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EST (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
1. Is he purchasing, legally, the copies he's putting in toilets" |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 01:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Yep. Mister Schmulevich seems like a general pain in the ass and a hopper clogger |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 01:15 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. It's potentially hard on the plumbing |
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Always AskWhy (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
99. Question...... |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
3. And who was the victim? |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 02:51 PM Response to Reply #3 |
21. A protected class of people. .....in this case, Muslim students.... |
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Tulum_Moon (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 04:41 PM Response to Reply #21 |
37. What do you mean by "protected class of people"? |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 05:04 PM Response to Reply #37 |
43. That's a bit of a clumsy term I used....... |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 05:07 PM Response to Reply #37 |
47. Legal term of art |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 09:06 PM Response to Reply #21 |
75. A class action crime? lol! |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 10:43 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. Do you have some problem with the term "protected class"? |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 10:49 AM Response to Reply #79 |
92. Idiotically false dilemma. |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 11:03 AM Response to Reply #92 |
95. Thanks for providing us with....... |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 11:38 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. I agree. If he he threw a bible in the pot would Christians be a protected class |
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Mike Daniels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 07:29 AM Response to Reply #21 |
82. I was wondering about Piss Christ as well - or the Virgin Mary splattered with dung |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 09:23 AM Response to Reply #82 |
85. I suppose one could argue context is everything...... |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 01:49 PM Response to Reply #85 |
100. Context??? |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 03:44 PM Response to Reply #3 |
28. Moaning Myrtle! (NT) |
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Fridays Child (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
4. I'm not sure I agree that throwing the Quran in a toilet constitutes a hate crime. |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 02:18 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Painting swatsikas on a Jewish nursing home wall |
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stirlingsliver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 02:20 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Right. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 08:14 AM Response to Reply #13 |
84. That is a swatsikas though |
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speakclearly (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 10:58 AM Response to Reply #13 |
93. True, but a religious building |
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smirkymonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 03:15 PM Response to Reply #4 |
26. Would it be a hate crime if he threw a bible in the toilet? |
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Fridays Child (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 04:19 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. Not in my opinion. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 04:27 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. They either both are or neither one is |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 05:54 PM Response to Reply #34 |
55. Well put |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 05:56 PM Response to Reply #34 |
57. Exactly. I'd say destroying a Koran or a Bible |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 06:43 PM Response to Reply #57 |
66. I don't know if it is or isn't |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 06:16 PM Response to Reply #26 |
59. Yes, IF... |
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beastieboy (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 10:29 AM Response to Reply #26 |
88. I'm an equal opportunity holy book flusher. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
5. Is it a similar crime to throw a Bible in said receptacle? How about the Book of Mormon? |
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TheFarseer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 01:19 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. If it was the original Dead Sea Scrolls |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #5 |
17. In certain circumstances, yes |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 10:20 AM Response to Reply #17 |
86. I think this is nuts. It's vandalism at best, same as burning an American flag. |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
6. This is ridiculous. |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 02:57 PM Response to Reply #6 |
23. What if the state can PROVE it was done to intimidate? |
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ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 11:01 AM Response to Reply #23 |
94. hwo do yu intimidate someone by flushing a BOOK? |
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TheFarseer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
7. this might be hate, but I can't see a crime |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 02:20 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. Malicious mischief |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 06:35 PM Response to Reply #15 |
64. Trespassing? |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 06:56 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. It is a charge that can be used if |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
9. It kind of depends on circumstances, doesn't it? |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 02:23 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. You've got it |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
11. If I flush a bible down the toilet that is a hate crime too? |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 02:32 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. Lets not get into apples v oranges here. |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 02:35 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. Where and when might be a factor |
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stirlingsliver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
12. Criminal Mischief and Aggrevated Harassment, MOTIVATED BY |
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indepat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 02:55 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. Yeah, let's incarcerate him for 25 years at a public cost of maybe $1 million: that'll |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 03:57 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. The guy could be in big trouble for this- |
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stirlingsliver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 06:04 PM Response to Reply #22 |
58. 25 Years? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 06:37 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. And then everyone complains prisons are overcrowded. |
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indepat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 07:37 PM Response to Reply #58 |
69. Five years is better and would only cost the public about $200,000 to warehouse this hate criminal |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 07:42 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. Good community service for him (if he did it) would be going around |
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indepat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 07:52 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Here, here! |
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ncabot22 (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
20. I don't consider this a hate crime |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
24. Based on his name, he could be jewish. |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
25. Here's another link/article... Apparently, he is a former student. |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 04:50 PM Response to Reply #25 |
38. apparently, the books didn't belong to him, and the toilets didn't belong to him... |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 05:06 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. Ah, I missed that. I think that moves it further down the road... doesn't it? |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 05:26 PM Response to Reply #38 |
53. If they're not his books, then at the very least he's guilty of destruction of property. nt |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 10:30 AM Response to Reply #38 |
89. Now we have a crime. |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
27. "Torn am I on this law" -Yoda |
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matcom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
30. Fucking stupid |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 04:26 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. What if were a Gay pride Flag? |
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matcom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 04:36 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. same thing applies |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 04:38 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. I agree completely. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 05:04 PM Response to Reply #30 |
42. it's not just about the book, it's about the intimidation. Is hanging a noose nothing more than |
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matcom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 05:06 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. in my mind, yes |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 05:11 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. so bias in the commission of a crime shouldn't be a factor? what about gay bashing? |
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matcom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 05:25 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. i don't think it is a crime to flush a book |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 06:23 PM Response to Reply #52 |
60. Marilyn Manson would tear up a bible and throw the remains |
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matcom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 06:26 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. that isn't his right? |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 07:15 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. i would think. it never occured to me that someone would |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 06:28 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. I guess as long as he didn't flush it down the toilet. |
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Nevernose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 10:20 PM Response to Reply #52 |
78. It IS a crime if it's someone else's toilet. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 10:26 AM Response to Reply #42 |
87. Let's see: a noose just MIGHT be seen as an ACTUAL means of mayhem; |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
31. I think it is an utterly dispicable thing to do.....but this is not a hate crime. |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 04:56 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. it might possibly be a hate crime, given that he vandalized other people's property... |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 04:57 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. We rarely have all the facts and familiar |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 09:36 PM Response to Reply #40 |
76. not sure who or what you're really arguing with, here... |
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genie_weenie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
41. The only crime involved using a Pace University toilet as the receptacle |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 05:07 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. not flush it down a university toilet. That is a crime and stealing the book is a crime. |
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genie_weenie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 05:10 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. I clearly indicated if |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
50. Throw them all in the toilet...creationists want all of it taught...well, to be fair... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 05:56 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. Deleted sub-thread |
Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
51. If it's his Quran and his toilet, I don't see the problem. Someone else's toilet |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 05:35 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Oh right. According to the article, muslim students/activists |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 10:12 PM Response to Reply #54 |
77. I'm not saying it was the goal. But it might be the net effect. |
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Always AskWhy (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 09:05 PM Response to Reply #51 |
74. AMEN |
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mudesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
61. Unless he stole the Quaran, this is not a hate crime |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
70. Anyone wanna bet this article is a hit piece? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-29-07 07:44 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Oh sure. I will take this bet. |
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entanglement (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 06:52 AM Response to Original message |
81. "Muslim activists decided to report the hate crime because it wasn't easy to find two copies |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 08:11 AM Response to Original message |
83. Hate crime? |
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Always AskWhy (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 10:34 AM Response to Reply #83 |
90. Some people |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 10:47 AM Response to Reply #90 |
91. I agree |
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Always AskWhy (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #91 |
97. If it is MY |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 12:17 PM Response to Reply #83 |
98. Hate crimes often are vandalism. |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-30-07 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
96. Stretching the Limits of Hate Crime |
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