Military members implanted with microchips

[ls317]

http://www.inteldaily.com/?c=166&a=2957

The Department of Defense is planning to implant microchips in soldiers' brains for monitoring their health information, and has already awarded a $1.6 million contract to the Center for Bioelectronics, Biosensors and Biochips (C3B) at Clemson University for the development of an implantable "biochip".

Soldiers fear that the biochip, about the size of a grain of rice, which measures and relays information on soldiers vital signs 24 hours a day, can be used to put them under surveillance even when they are off duty.

[Mythsaje]

1. Oh, this is NOT a good development. n/t

[That Is Quite Enough]

2. They're gonna use the chips to subject the soldiers to MIND CONTROL!

:tinfoilhat:

Seriously, though. Is it possible there might be more to these chips than just monitoring vital signs?

[The Doctor.]

21. Very difficult to do. We simply don't have the technology.

The best they could hope to do is intermitently block or facilitate a set of impulses... without having a very good Idea of what they would be doing. Eventually the subject would re-establish the requisite pathways.

Unless they intended to kill the subject... that wouldn't be difficult at all.

[Subdivisions]

25. How do you know

what's going on at Area 51? Maybe it's alien technology?

[The Doctor.]

32. "I'm not only a member of the Alien Overlords hair club..."

Well, I've heard some neat stuff about all that, but even if any of it is true, we aren't going to back-engineer mind control off of alien tech when we have perfectly workable methods of doing so already.

Chip implants would require a sophisticated multiple target-placement and even more sophisticated inter/intra-communication strategy in the hardware coupled with fairly intense conditioning of the subject and maybe then we could trigger certain actions/reactions under given circumstances in an otherwise optimally functioning subject. Then we'd have to worry about the perietal/occipital conflicts with that very stimuli. That can be handled with simple incisions, but then the subject will show loss of optimal performance in certain intuitive traits like 'sense of humor' and such.

No... it's too complicated, and I doubt the 'aliens' would leave us any 'mind control' clues. :tinfoil:

[That Is Quite Enough]

27. I wasn't incredibly serious about the mind control thing. It was mostly tinfoil.

[Contrary1]

28. Well, I did find this story from Oct. '05...

:wow:
Super-soldiers may get brain-chip

"US military experts are attempting to create an army of super-human soldiers who will be more intelligent and deadly thanks to a microchip implanted in their brains.

Scientists believe the implant will vastly improve the memory of troops so that they can recall every detail of their training and become more effective fighters.
Researchers at the University of Southern California's bio-engineering department have created the chip, which acts in exactly the same way as the hippocampus - the part of the brain that deals with memory.

In experiments, the team removed that section of the brain of dead rats and inserted the chip in its place. The implant sent exactly the same electronic signals as the real thing.

The next stage of the project is to test the implant on live animals. If this work proves to be as successful, experiments could one day be carried out on soldiers."

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17013218-13762,00.html

[That Is Quite Enough]

49. Creepy stuff.

They'll try to make up for their continuing loss of soldiers by turning them all into super-lethal killing machines.:o

Except it sounds like it would be expensive or time-consuming to implant a chip like this in the brain of every soldier. But then again, they do sound pretty intent on the "vital sign monitoring" chip idea so I shouldn't put it past them.

[bananarepublican]

58. It could possibly be also used to 'suicide' future Tillman-like troopers! n/t

[zabet]

3. I would be willing to bet good money...

that it does more than monitor health info. :tinfoilhat:

[pocoloco]

4. I will never forget the relief I felt when I awoke the morning of Jan !, 1985.

But the repreive was way too short!

[BrotherBuzz]

5. How long before the enemy learns of these chips implants...

and the potential danger of holding live prisoners presents to them?

[file83]

19. Exactly - the chips could be used by our enemies to locate our soldiers.

This is the dumbest idea I have ever heard.

This should do wonders for recruitment levels. :banghead:

[The Doctor.]

22. Highly unlikely.

Coded frequencies are becoming more and more difficult to decrypt. The technology to do so just isn't available unless it's sold to the 'bad guys'... and even then, they would likely need the codes.

It's kind of like saying that because you have a cell phone, a guy with a CB radio could find you.

I also suspect that a specifically coded relay is necessary as such devices would have limited range.

All in all, the tech to link a soldier in the field this way is a pipe-dream. Just like the neo-cons getting sold on the idea of 'battlefield automatons' and funding it. They'll pay and pay for shit they want to believe is possible, but in fact is not.

"Hey Wolfie... I got a great cyborg package for you. Just .2 billion and we'll have it ready to deploy by 2013!"

[file83]

44. Decrypting the message is irrelevant - all you need to do is triangulate the signal source.

It isn't necessary to decrypt the signal in order to do that. And if there are relays in the field, at the very least, that'll give the enemy at least a hint of the vicinity where our soldiers may be. Like, if they know the range of the relay is 2000 feet, there's your target area right there. I'm sure there are many creative ways this system, useful or not, could be exploited to the enemy's advantage.

[The Doctor.]

55. I approached the issue from "detect our soldiers' to mean

"intercept" the incoming band.

I had it totally wrong that way. I mentioned in another post that such a device could not possibly give off a long-range signal, that's why it didn't occur to me that someone can detect those signal unless they were looking for them.

Yes, they could be easily detected with relatively available equipment if those implants gave off signal.

[Canuckistanian]

45. ANYTHING that transmits a radio signal would be bad news

Whether or not the enemy could "decode" the message.

The mere presence of an RF signal could give away troops' locations.

How do you think they managed to destroy Saddam's missiles? Because they emitted radar signals.

Simply lock onto a signal with a guided missile and Bob's your uncle. Or at least used to be.

[hack89]

35. They are not permanent

they would be injected into wounded soldiers to monitor blood functions.

http://www.clemson.edu/c3b/projects.html

[BrotherBuzz]

51. Well, just like the way rumors fly on DU, I can accept the enemy hears the same rumors

The word in the Baghdad alleys will be US troops are bad mojo to capture and hold as hostages. Doesn't bode well for our troops that get separated from their unit.

[The Doctor.]

56. That makes more sense. One injection, one receiver to map all activity.

It's something most physicians would love to see.

Agent Mike loves that stuff too. He missed the DU volleyball tourney this past July.

[tbyg52]

6. There's gotta be something unconstitutional about this

I'm aware you lose a lot of your rights when in the military, but this is going too far.

[BeHereNow]

7. No rights, that's right. I'm sure the prison population is next.

Gotta keep that big money machine rolling over
as many people as possible.
You do realize they sit around all day and dream
this shit up, don't you?
They are the EVIL doers.
BHN

[tbyg52]

8. No, military people do not lose *all* rights

I can't believe this is not going too far. Anybody currently in the military have an opinion on this?

[BeHereNow]

12. I would like to hear from active service too, on this topic.

As far as rights go, from what I see in the current trend,
they simply wrap everything under the guise
of "national security." So, I don't know how
many rights they actually do have or can exercise
under that ruse...
BHN

[hack89]

33. Read the article

follow the link to http://www.clemson.edu/c3b/projects.html

this is for emergency medical treatment. There is no movement afoot to have permanent chips implanted in soldiers.

[BeHereNow]

36. I did read the article and it does state that they plan to implant them.

Five years off, granted, but most certainly it does say
they plan to implant soldiers with them.
Why would a soldier or any other witness to
these evil fucks believe it is only for medical emergency treatment?
I certainly don't.
BHN

[hack89]

38. Only when they are hurt

and to monitor blood functions. Why is Clemson evil?


on edit: have you considered that the Intelligence Daily twisted the C3B article to support their agenda? Can you find any other source that says the say thing?

[BeHereNow]

40. I don't think Clemson is evil- I think the FatCats see another opportunity

to utilize the technology for their own purposes.

We have two articles going on this thread- the one the op
linked says the following-

"The researcher predicts the biochip is five years away from human trials,
and the DoD could start implanting microchips in soldiers bodies soon after."

One COULD conclude that in the case of the soldiers, they plan
to implant them PRIOR to trauma as a prevention.

I can see where they would be useful as referenced in
the article you posted, however, that is not what
I think the other article states, as far as the military use.

More pre-emptive use, in the case of soldiers is what I understood.

BHN

[hack89]

42. But where did the Intelligence Daily get their "facts?"

looks to me like they distorted the meaning of the C3B article.

[NeedleCast]

13. I'm Ex-Military

And I would not have submitted to this. There are far easier ways to monitor vital signs than biological implants. Can we not monitor vital signs just fine already? Doesn't seem much of a stretch that current medical technology, coupled with current wireless technology would be a relativly simple alternative to brain surgery.

I can't imagine the military is actually thinking about this, as it would have a crushing effect on recruitment...something they can't afford right now.

[BeHereNow]

16. Needlecast, for checking in on this- as far as the recruitment issue goes-

If things keep going the way they are, I would not be surprised
to see a draft, or some backdoor mandatory "civilian" service corp
formed. That has already been flown with the ability of the
pResident to call such civilians to "work" in other countries
in times of emergency.
I put nothing past these rat bastards.
BHN

On edit- left out my thoughts on the failing economic conditions-
I think more and more young people will turn to service due to
the inability to find a living wage job.
Most people like eating and having a roof over their heads.
Joining the military may soon be the only way for many
young people to survive. An economic draft, if you will.

[hack89]

34. What brain surgery?

if you are wounded, these chips would be injected by a medic into your bloodstream to monitor lactate and glucose.

http://www.clemson.edu/c3b/projects.html

[NeedleCast]

46. The article in the OP

suggested that these chips would be implanted prior to injury and used to monitor the status of a soldier. If they were used for a legit medical purpose to treat injury and then removed, I'd have no issues with them.

[hack89]

47. Yet when you go to the orginal source

you find that the OP distorted the orginal meaning. Where did the Intelligence Daily get their "facts"?

[Olney Blue]

9. It sounds like a tracking device to me.

http://www.homeagain.com/

[orleans]

48. it is a tracking device. undoubtedly. what, everyone is too fucking busy

to take your blood pressure with a cuff, or your temperature (which takes all of a few seconds)

it is absolutely a tracking device.

[madmunchie]

10. K&R Holy Shit, - - - this REALLY is frightening!!!!!!!!!

[mopinko]

11. oh, that should help with the recruitment goals.

sure, sign me up for that.

[SoCalDem]

14. Anybody watch "The 4400"?

:)

or an updated version of the Manchurian Candidate :scared:

[Hekate]

15. KnR. Why, pray tell, in the BRAIN? And yes, you bet your bippy it would track them...

...all the way to Canada and back again.

I don't know whether to cry or throw up.

I want my country back. :cry:

Hekate

[Hekate]

17. Anyone know what the Freepers et al. think of this invasion of bodily integrity?

Just askin'

Hekate

[orleans]

50. well, right now those assholes probably think it's a great idea.

five years from now, when the dod is planning on actually doing this, the free ps will probably be having shit fits (due to a democratic president & congress running the show). yep. five years from now they'll be screaming about how it takes away their rights.

this thing is really fucking creepy.

[silverweb]

18. Oh, THAT's gonna help recruiting!

Sign up now for a cash bonus and a monitoring implant in your brain!

Goons.

On Edit: Anyone taking odds on a surge in AWOL numbers?

[lonestarnot]

26. LOL

[HCE SuiGeneris]

20. WOW!

This is just too surreal... somebody wake me, and in lieu of that, just shoot me.

[lonestarnot]

23. What?

[sarcasmo]

24. Glad I was in and out of the Military by 1990. This will make Orwell roll in his grave.

Kick and Nom.

[BlackVelvet04]

29. Well, it's for their own good.......

"But Anthony Guiseppi-Elie, C3B director and Professor of Chemical and Biomolecular Engineering and Bioengineering claims the that the invivo biosensors will save lives"

Yes, that's sarcasm.

[hack89]

30. Did anyone actually read the article?

that the invivo biosensors will save lives as first responders to the trauma scene could inject the biochip into the wounded victim and gather data almost immediately.

From http://www.clemson.edu/c3b/projects.html

Implantable biosensors for trauma monitoring during mass casualty

C3B researchers are working pertinaciously to develop an implantable biosensor for monitoring lactate and glucose levels. Funded by the Department of Defense, the goal of this platform project is to develop a temporary implantable biosensor with wireless transmission capabilities.

[BeHereNow]

39. Yes! I don't think it conclusively states that they would only be used on trauma victims

AFTER injury.

We have two articles going on this thread- the one the op
linked says the following-

"The researcher predicts the biochip is five years away from human trials,
and the DoD could start implanting microchips in soldiers bodies soon after."

One COULD conclude that in the case of the soldiers, they plan
to implant them PRIOR to trauma as a prevention.

I can see where they would be useful as referenced in
the ariticle you posted, however, that is not what
I think the other article states, as far as the military use.

More pre-emptive use, in the case of soldiers is what I understood.

BHN

[hack89]

41. Perhaps the Intelligence Daily twisted the meaning

of the C3B article to support some agenda? It is quite a leap from the C3B article to the OP and you notice they did not source any of their claims.

[AmyDeLune]

31. Brain Surgery?!?

I don't think so!
I agree with others, way to kill potential recruits (possibly literally as well).
*shudder*

[hack89]

37. Reading comprehension on this thread sucks.

Go the original source http://www.clemson.edu/c3b/projects.html

No mention of brain implantation.

They are not permanent

You have to be severely hurt before they inject one into you.


BTW, they could be a life saver for millions of diabetics.

[orleans]

52. and how do they get it out of you? and you'd trust them to do that? n/t

[Canuckistanian]

43. Military "personnel" would have sounded better

I involuntarily winced when I read that headline.

[bridgit]

53. No wait!! Don't tell me...The Center for Bioelectronics, is a Bush Family donor...

:thumbsdown:

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

54. Cheney would love to have an army of WarBots

Soldiers who are programmed to kill, follow every order, have no fear, and feel no pain when they die.

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[cgrindley]

59. So is my cat

it takes a lot of the worry out of owning a house cat.

[undergroundpanther]

60. Not just for military..

They want them in mental patients too. My therapist of all people brought that up awhile ago.I asked her how would clients accept such a thing? She said their benifiets get cut off totally if they don't take the chip,I asked her what would she do if this started happening (where I go for therapy)she said warn clients and quit.
This idea of controlling through technology has been around a long time..Just more sophisticated now.
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20817F9395812738DDDAE0994DD405B858AF1D3
Emotional monitoring..
http://www.synopsys.com/news/pubs/compiler/art3_chipimplan-mar03.html
Already chips are going into people, It's NOT five years down the road it is happening NOW.
http://www.wanttoknow.info/cbscnnimplants
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20041013-4305.html
http://digg.com/politics/All_Airport_Employees_To_Have_Microchip_Implants
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002835871_chipimplant01.html

.A chip to replace the memory center,Is it JUST to help alzhiemers patients?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A43210-2004Oct18.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2843099.stm
Or could it be used another way,say to erase memory?
The military already is cranking out drugs to make soldiers forget crimes during war,
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/science/mind/s817005.htm
http://pressesc.com/01184528191_cure_for_fear
This is bad because if a victim could no longer remember, a psychopath could lie cheat and abuse all the people they want and..no one will remember what was done to them, where those scars came from,why they got pregnant out of nowhere.A bullies dream come true erase the victims memories,and the bully gets accountability to no one for their actions.Erase the boundaries use people any way you want and the psychopath thinking himself superior to us seeks to disable our brains,if this occurs bullies will get away with it.
http://www.wanttoknow.info/microchipsimplantsnewsarticles

FDA says it's OK to MicroChip the Citizens but spare the worst criminals? Congress cares for psychopaths freedom more than yours or mine...Bullies always look after their own kind.

http://www.topix.net/tulsa/2007/05/house-rejects-forced-microchip-implants-for-violent-criminals


Howabout looking through a cats eyes and recording what it sees?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/471786.stm

How far could this go?
http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~toby/writing/PCW/upload.htm
http://www.stevequayle.com/News.alert/03_Genetic/030221.soul.catcher.chip.u.html
Imagine a microchip implanted behind your eyes, able to record everything you see, anything you hear, all the sensations you feel. Imagine your whole life captured as electronic data for anybody to watch...

‘This is not like TV only better. This is life, a piece of somebody’s life straight from the cerebral cortex... I mean, you’re there, you’re seeing it, you’re doing it.’


Dr Chris Winter from British Telecom’s Martlesham Heath Laboratories, near Ipswich who really upped the ante and sent science watchers into a spin last year, when he mentioned BT’s ideas for the ‘Soul Catcher’. A micro-memory chip, designed to be implanted into the human brain to record life as it happens.

‘This is the end of death... By combining this information with a record of the person’s genes, we could recreate a person physically, emotionally and spiritually,’ announced Dr Winter. ‘All we think, all our emotions and creative brain activity will be able to be copied onto silicon. This is immortality in the truest sense - future generations will not die.’

‘As proposed,’ says Chris Winter, ‘the chip could store the equivalent of video, sound, smell and touch files for you to replay.’

Think of it as making a back-up copy of your life...

http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/world/soulcatcher.htm
And who should be allowed to see it?