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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 09:31 AM
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An interesting observation about Kucinich
A lady I know who served in the state legislature made a very interesting comment during the debate last night. I asked her why Kucinich is perceived as unelectable. She said one of the most important things an elected official needs to do is build a coalition of support. That's why they join groups and caucuses, like the Blue Dogs. When they write a piece of legislation, they then have other reps to co-sponsor.

She also said it is important for congress reps to be able to compromise. They start with what they want, knowing they may have to give in and give up certain things, in order to pass the legislation they propose.

She said Kucinich is known as a loner. He is respected but has no group or coalition backing him. That makes it difficult for him to put legislation through. And she said he has been in Congress too long to have not emerged as not only a member of a coalition but a leader of one, especially since he is running for president now.

And she said he has a reputation for being stubborn and not willing to compromise.

He is still my favorite candidate and I think he did an awesome job last night. But I thought these comments were very interesting.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 09:34 AM
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1. That is an interesting observation
But I suspect Kucinich's unwillingness to compromise and get along is seen as a strnegth by his supporters; he's, ideologically speaking, the most pure candidate.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 09:39 AM
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2. just the kind of President I want
seriously though we couldn't as a country go wrong with an Edwards/Kucinich White House duo
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 09:45 AM
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4. I agree
I also think there is a cabinet position waiting for Kucinich if he doesn't get the nomination. Perhaps Secretary of the Department of Peace? :)
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 09:47 AM
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6. Inability to compromise is what we have now
and I don't think it's any way to govern, although it would be a lot more comfortable if I agreed with it.

Kucinich needed to join the Progressives in Congress a long time ago. That he didn't speaks to his failure, not his success.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 10:05 AM
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8. and thats taking that as gospel, what is said about the kuch by the person saying it
personally I don't know that for a fact
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BringEmOn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 10:31 AM
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13. Kucinich is a member of the Progressive Caucus
http://cpc.lee.house.gov/index.cfm?ontentID=166&ParentID=0&SectionID=4&SectionTree=4&lnk=b&ItemID=164

Caucus Member List
Co-Chairs
Hon. Lynn Woolsey
Hon. Barbara Lee

Vice Chairs
Hon. Diane Watson
Hon. Raul Grijalva
Hon. Emanuel Cleaver
Hon. Hilda Solis
Hon. Mazie Hirono
Hon. Phil Hare

Senate Members
Hon. Bernie Sanders

House Members
Hon. Neil Abercrombie
Hon. Tammy Baldwin
Hon. Xavier Becerra
Hon. Madeleine Bordallo
Hon. Robert Brady
Hon. Corrine Brown
Hon. Michael Capuano
Hon. Julia Carson
Hon. Donna Christensen
Hon. Yvette Clarke
Hon. William “Lacy” Clay
Hon. Steve Cohen
Hon. John Conyers
Hon. Elijah Cummings
Hon. Danny Davis
Hon. Peter DeFazio
Hon. Rosa DeLauro
Hon. Keith Ellison
Hon. Sam Farr
Hon. Chaka Fattah
Hon. Bob Filner
Hon. Barney Frank
Hon. Luis Gutierrez
Hon. John Hall
Hon. Maurice Hinchey
Hon. Michael Honda
Hon. Jesse Jackson, Jr.
Hon. Sheila Jackson-Lee
Hon. Eddie Bernice Johnson
Hon. Hank Johnson
Hon. Stephanie Tubbs Jones
Hon. Marcy Kaptur
Hon. Carolyn Kilpatrick
Hon. Dennis Kucinich
Hon. Tom Lantos
Hon. John Lewis
Hon. David Loebsack
Hon. Carolyn Maloney
Hon. Ed Markey
Hon. Jim McDermott
Hon. James McGovern
Hon. George Miller
Hon. Gwen Moore
Hon. Jerrold Nadler
Hon. Eleanor Holmes-Norton
Hon. John Olver
Hon. Ed Pastor
Hon. Donald Payne
Hon. Charles Rangel
Hon. Bobby Rush
Hon. Linda Sanchez
Hon. Jan Schakowsky
Hon. Jose Serrano
Hon. Louise Slaughter
Hon. Pete Stark
Hon. Bennie Thompson
Hon. John Tierney
Hon. Tom Udall
Hon. Nydia Velazquez
Hon. Maxine Waters
Hon. Mel Watt
Hon. Henry Waxman
Hon. Peter Welch

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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 01:08 PM
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17. Good. The "loner" appelation was starting
to make him look just a little odder than he already looks.

Thanks for the info.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 06:21 PM
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19. We already have one of those kind right now, not what I want.
I want my president to be able to compromise, thats life and in such an office should be mandatory, after all he is the president of all Americans not a select few.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 09:42 AM
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3. Ahem
In a proper Compromise, both sides must give something of what they want. I believe we have swung so far to the right on so man crucial issues that we have little left to give up.

When you are driving in the ditch, you do not compromise with the ditch about whether you should get back on the damned road. You have to veer left to get out of it.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 09:46 AM
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5. That's a good point.
We certainly have swung far to the right.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 10:07 AM
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9. thats the way I see it too
theres a time for compromise as well as not.
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jojo54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 09:51 AM
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7. Kucinich is a rebel ex-hippie. I am too & that's why I like him.
Don't take me wrong, that's not a bad thing by any stretch. He tells it like it is, and let's be real; Americans don't want to hear it like it is. They want to hear lies about how these other candidates are going to make their lives all peachy keen.

Kucinich is HONEST and REAL. Anybody who is somebody on the hill dosen't want him in office. It'll mean death to a lot of pork, pet projects and dishonesty.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 10:09 AM
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10. He's not "one of the boys"?? The horror! The horror!
If only for that fact, he's better than most.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 10:23 AM
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12. Yes I agree and so did the lady I talked to
She was just explaining why he has had a hard time gaining support and respect.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 10:35 AM
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14. Those talking points of hers
Edited on Wed Aug-08-07 10:37 AM by notsodumbhillbilly
sound like they came right from the DLC playbook. DK is the antithesis of everything they stand for.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 10:45 AM
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16. She is definitely not a DLCer
She is very progressive.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 10:36 AM
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15. Margaret Thatcher famously remarked of Gorbachev that "we can do business with this man."
This is at the heart of corporatism - that a politician will TRADE the only commodity under his control (the interests of the People) for the commercial value. I don't want another "business-oriented" politician in the White House. Not because I don't honor ethical business and the "win-win" of fair trade - but because the vast and overwhelming global corporate interest is NOT in 'win-win' but in unbounded private profit ... exploitation of human misery and suffering.

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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 10:10 AM
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11. There is a middle ground there
The Dems who voted for the appalling FISA act could be compromising to get an agreement. There's a time when you have to stand on prinicple. Compromising for the sake of compromising, as if you always have to, is what has got us farther and farther to the right, as the far rights has taken advantage of the unwillingness to be stubborn and rock the boat and try to get along no matter what.

Chimpy never compromises! Nobody every criticized him for that.
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 06:19 PM
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18. some things should NOT be compromised-our CONSTITUTION-Rule of Law-why are dems
afraid to stand up for basic rights?????


I just don't get it.

I WANT someone that will bring America's core values back.

I want someone that will not be bought...
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