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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 09:35 PM
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NYT: Wrong Way Out of Iraq
Edited on Sun Aug-12-07 09:43 PM by ProSense
Editorial

Wrong Way Out of Iraq

Published: August 13, 2007

As Americans argue about how to bring the troops home from Iraq, British forces are already partway out the door. Four years ago, there were some 30,000 British ground troops in southern Iraq. By the end of this summer, there will be 5,000. None will be based in urban areas. Those who remain will instead be quartered at an airbase outside Basra. Rather than trying to calm Iraq’s civil war, their main mission will be training Iraqis to take over security responsibilities, while doing limited counterinsurgency operations.

That closely follows the script some Americans now advocate for American forces in Iraq: reduce the numbers — and urban exposure — but still maintain a significant presence for the next several years. It’s a tempting formula, reaping domestic political credit for withdrawal without acknowledging that the mission has failed.

If anyone outside the White House truly believes this can work — that the United States can simply stay in Iraq in reduced numbers, while ignoring the civil war and expecting Iraqi forces to impose order— the British experience demonstrates otherwise. There simply aren’t reliable, effective and impartial Iraqi forces ready to keep the cities safe, nor are they likely to exist any time soon. And insurgents are not going to stop attacking Americans just because the Americans announce that they’re out of the fight.

In Basra — after four years of British tutelage — police forces are infiltrated by sectarian militias. The British departure will cede huge areas to criminal gangs and rival Shiite militias. Without Iraqis capable of taking over, the phased drawdown of British troops has turned ugly. The remaining British troops hunkered down in the city at Basra Palace are under fire from all directions. Those at the airbase are regularly bombarded.

And Basra should be easier than Baghdad. Most of the population is Shiite, and neither Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia nor other Sunni insurgent groups have a significant presence. Elsewhere in Iraq, where internal rivalries are overshadowed by the Sunni insurgency, sectarian civil war and rampant ethnic cleansing, a reduced American force might find itself in an even worse predicament. The clear lesson of the British experience it is that going partway is not a realistic option.

The United States cannot walk away from the new international terrorist front it created in Iraq. It will need to keep sufficient forces and staging points in the region to strike effectively against terrorist sanctuaries there or a Qaeda bid to hijack control of a strife-torn Iraq.

But there should be no illusions about trying to continue the war on a reduced scale. It is folly to expect a smaller American force to do in a short time what a much larger force could not do over a very long time. That’s exactly what the British are now trying to do. And the results are painfully plain to see.


"A surge of phony spin on Iraq" and "As British Leave, Basra Deteriorates"

Great letter by Sen. Kerry to the WSJ about Vietnam & Cambodia

Edited title.

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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 09:44 PM
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1. Through paragraph 5 it is 100% correct. The British example does show
that drawing down to minimal forces is a politically dictated recipe for military disaster. You're either IN or you're OUT.

Since staying in is not an option - not from any practical, sane point of view - that leaves getting out. For 2 going on 3 years now I've been saying we should get out of Iraq while we still have an Army. With each passing week that become less and less of a joke.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 09:56 PM
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2. The NYT editors are denouncing a reduce presence, but they are
advocating that the U.S. keeps a significant force in the region to deal with Iraq:

...The clear lesson of the British experience it is that going partway is not a realistic option.

The United States cannot walk away from the new international terrorist front it created in Iraq. It will need to keep sufficient forces
and staging points in the region to strike effectively against terrorist sanctuaries there or a Qaeda bid to hijack control of a strife-torn Iraq.

But there should be no illusions about trying to continue the war on a reduced scale....


That means fighting in Iraq.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 10:11 PM
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4. Yes, I got that. Thanks. That's why I said "through paragraph 5 it is 100% correct."
I thought it was clear that I had arrived at a conclusion opposite of theirs.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 10:13 PM
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5. Yes, it was clear.
I was reiterating.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 10:38 PM
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6. NYT now totally irrelevant -- ???? ???? ???? ????
And, let me suggest, that they have done this to themselves . . .

from "Mockingbird" to failing to report the wiretapping story until a year after the election????

The paper right now is a column or two smaller -- and 1/3rd of Letters to the Editor are disappeared.

Advertising increased in the paper over the last 10 years enormously as news disappeared.

The only thing lacking at the moment is news of Paris Hilton on the front page -- !!!!



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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 10:10 PM
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3. Kick! n/t
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