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Venus Dog Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 04:17 PM
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Why did Craig vote against the Patriot Act?
Does anybody know?

When all the threads on DU were whizzing by once the arrest became public, I remember someone posting of the possibility that Rove/Bushco were actually behind Craig's arrest in retaliation for him voting against the Patriot Act. I could see that - that is their MO.

But, what I couldn't understand was why Craig, a low-life Bushco syncophant, would vote against his puppet master. I don't get it.

I haven't seen anybody addressing this (or maybe I missed it) and it still plagues my little brain.

Any help would be appreciated.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 04:19 PM
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1. I think the explanation was that he was worried what Hillary would do with it
if she became president
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Venus Dog Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 04:21 PM
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2. But that makes no sense
Is that what he said?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 04:23 PM
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6. You mean it makes no sense that he could see ahead to a time the Repubs weren't in power?
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 04:25 PM
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7. I remember it in a thread here last week when the whole Craig
debacle broke loose. Those aren't his exact words, but that is what I recall.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 04:21 PM
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3. Didn't the original Patriot Act call for hidden cameras in public restrooms?
I can see where that provision might have made Larry a little edgy.
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 04:23 PM
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4. Because he had something to hide.
Why else would you vote against it? :eyes:
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 04:23 PM
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5. It wasn't homophobic enough?
Because large black men intimidated him into voting against it?

:shrug:
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 04:30 PM
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8. "Larry Craig: Hillary Would Abuse Patriot Act"
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2005/221205abuseact.htm

Republican Sen. Larry Craig is citing Hillary Clinton as the reason he opposes renewing the Patriot Act in its current form, saying Mrs. Clinton is likely to abuse the security measure if she becomes president - unless additional safeguards are built in.

"There will come a day when there will not be a George W in the White House," Sen. Craig warned, after calling top conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh on Wednesday to explain his position. "And tragically enough, and I hope never, it could be a Hillary Clinton."
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Venus Dog Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 04:38 PM
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9. Thank you
This is very bizarre. But I'm wondering if this wasn't just a cover for another more sinister reason - blaming Hillary is so infantile, but I know it plays in certain hooplehead quarters.

However, these people always have ulterior motives and the one they publicly state is usually not the real reason.

I'm just thinking out loud, but I am considering that Craig may have been blackmailed by two opposing forces - I mean, this guy is so lame and has probably never had an original thought ever pass through his brain, or an ounce of independence either, so why all of a sudden does he take a step out of line?

From what I understand, his public bathroom activities, as well as other cohorting, has been going on for decades and people have tried to out him at other times.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 04:48 PM
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11. I had considered that, too
But I keep thinking about how very right wing Idaho can be. Doesn't it have a reputation for being the Mecca for skin heads and ultra right wing groups? Those people don't trust government much. So the Patriot Act would likely freak them out. My guess is that Craig has his finger on that pulse.
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 07:41 AM
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18. When you can't blame Bill...
Blame Hillary.

These fools make me really sick.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 04:40 PM
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10. He DIDN'T. (Sheesh!) The ONLY Senator to vote against HR 3162 was Feingold.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00313

Now, if someone's talking about the extension (H.R.3199) of the Patriot Act ...
On February 17, 2006, the Washington Times reported:
"Last week, Republican Sens. John E. Sununu of New Hampshire, Larry E. Craig of Idaho, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Chuck Hagel of Nebraska, all dropped their opposition to the bill after modifications were made that they said appeased their concerns about protecting civil liberties."

NAYs ---10
Akaka (D-HI)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Byrd (D-WV)
Feingold (D-WI)
Harkin (D-IA)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Murray (D-WA)
Wyden (D-OR)

Not Voting - 1
Inouye (D-HI)

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00029
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 05:37 PM
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13. I'm surprised Boxer is not on that list.
She's such a standout, excellent Senator I'd have thought she would have voted against that garbage. Kennedy too.

Color me surprised Feinstein voted for it. :sarcasm:

Rp
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Venus Dog Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 05:41 PM
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14. Feingold voted against the extension
His vote was Nay. Boxer, however, voted Yea (unfortunately). And it states that Craig voted Yea on the extension H.R. 3199.

Now I'm totally confusion.
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 09:16 PM
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16. I wasn't talking about Feingold... I was talking about Feinstein, as in DiFi from Cali.
Rp
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Venus Dog Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 07:26 AM
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17. Sorry I misread
:hi:
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 05:18 PM
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12. blackmailed by the dems re: revealing his secret double life?
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Venus Dog Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 05:45 PM
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15. Not necessarily by Dems
I do believe that there are factions within factions. But, it could be the Dems - I don't know - I'm just trying to think this out. It doesn't make any sense to me. And now, according to the vote record, Craig voted Yea on the extension of the Patriot Act H.R. 3199, so what is he talking about not signing?:shrug:
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