OK, I just went to moveon.org and read the ad about

[rateyes]

the AKLC Betrayus. Has anyone upset with this ad actually pointed out any inaccuracies? I didn't think so. If one can't attack the message, they attack the messenger. Moveon got it right.



On edit: "ad" not "add" Duh.

[BrklynLiberal]

1. They got it right. The only ones upset are those that have a vested interest in keeping the

people believing that the emperor is not naked...

[anniebelle]

2. They got it exactly right and the neo-cons know it!

That's why they are trying to divert attention to these evil Democrats.

[in_cog_ni_to]

3. Yep. There's not one false statement in that ad and not one single person has refuted one word of it

Right now, CNN is trashing the ad.:grr:

[seemslikeadream]

4. Looks right to me

[underpants]

5. They are attacking the messenger for attacking the messenger

and MoveOn did attack both the message and the messanger

[rateyes]

9. Yeah. And, moveon got it right. nt

[The Doctor.]

16. Yep... I have to ask these people; "Is it attacking the messenger

if the messenger knows the message is a lie?".

Well, it may be, but it's no less justified.

[global1]

6. The Repugs Don't Have Anything Else Going For Them So This......

MoveOn ad gives them something to take the offense on. Even if their bitching is bogus the MSM will give them the airplay and cover they need to make this an issue and the Dems will fall all over themselves apologizing or distancing themselves from MoveOn instead of making the point that you made that the message is spot on.

You know what I would tell the Repugs if I were in the Dems place - Move On!!!!!!!

[KansDem]

7. Consider what the swift boaters and corporate media did to Sen. John Kerry

They called into queston Kerry's honors and awards. For months, neo-cons, bolstered by the swifties, trashed Kerry's military record. And the corporate media was in on it. All to protect a TANG deserter.

Remember?


F**k 'em! This is a non-issue.

[rainy]

14. I've been making this point since the ad came out.

[endarkenment]

8. Of course not. They got their talking points from False Noise.

We get the echo chamber activists plying their trade right here. Funny thing: most of them don't know they are echo chamber activists.

[Downtown Hound]

10. Damn straight.

[superkia]

11. I think there have been some slips on the media, I know I heard betrayus...

instead of his birth name. It has happened several times when they are talking about the ad, and it sounds like sometimes people are slipping and say betrayus. I will never use his name, its now betrayus to me!

[rateyes]

19. I don't know...I kinda like Admiral Fallon's name for him...

ass-kissing little chickenshit.

[Bitwit1234]

12. Move on is hiring writers.

They sent me an email, mass mailing to members, but I don't think I am articulate enough to apply. Some of you posters here write up very good messages. Why don't you go to Moveon and sign up. Those with free time that is....I think you can write from home and they have people to mentor you.

[OnionPatch]

13. I hadn't read the ad before

until now. And it is not at all as "disrespectful" as I was led to believe. I think it sums the situation up perfectly.

[Stinky The Clown]

15. Indeed Moveon got it right. So does Code Pink. Pretty consistently.

But sometimes they overshadow their message. That was the case with this ad.

Compare this ad to this teevee spot from VoteVets:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x53522

They're both hard hitting and they both go after General Dave on the facts.

But one had its message stepped on.

[redqueen]

17. No inaccuracies...

it's a wonder so many Dems jumped when the right said to...

[Breeze54]

18. A RW hack said that Move On called Petraeus a traitor but Move On didn't!

It clearly states at the top of the ad: General Petraeus OR General Betray Us?

Good post, rateyes! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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Our ad on General Petraeus

http://pol.moveon.org/petraeus_ad.html?id=11240-2919065-UaHKf_&t=3

We've been hearing lots of feedback from MoveOn members about the Petraeus ad. Most MoveOn members liked it, but there have been some folks who've questioned why we targeted General Petraeus or chose the langauge we did. (You can see the full ad and the citations that back up each claim it contains here). The ad has also been the target of a concerted right-wing smear campaign (read this Huffington Post article for more on that).

So we wanted to share some of the thinking behind the ad.

Was the ad accurate?

more..........

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If you still have questions or thoughts you want to share with us:

MoveOn is a member-driven organization. There will always be moments where consensus is impossible,
but if MoveOn members don’t feel good in general about what we’re all doing together, MoveOn simply
can’t function. That’s why we take the concerns of every member very seriously.

If you have further questions or concerns, you can contact MoveOn.org Executive Director Eli Pariser at [e-mail].

[nosmokes]

20. The folks outraged by MoveOn's ad were pretty OK w/ the Swift Boat ads

as I recall. And they are remarkably similar circumstances.

[Breeze54]

21. Kicking hard!!

:kick:

[cali]

22. It's not about inaccuracies.

It's about framing. And it's out about being damn sure that if you're going to gore a sacred ox, you do it right.

[Breeze54]

24. No, it's about telling the truth!

You want an English Tea Party but we're having a Boston Tea Party!

[cali]

25. Oh for fuck's sake,

You could have run that ad and told the truth strongly without the cutsie General Betray Us crap. That's so fucking obvious a bright 8 year old would get it. Sheesh. What's in the DU virtual water that makes it so difficult to see the obvious?

[Breeze54]

26. You don't know what you're talking about. Enjoy your tea!

;)

Lemon?

[uppityperson]

23. yup. k&r.

[go west young man]

27. MoveOn got it right!

Be proud of them. Dems that criticize that ad are foolish to do so. This former marine says if you support the troops then support this ad and help stop this tragic war. Admiral Fallon had it right. Betrayus is an ass kissing little chicken shit. That's why Bush hired him. If you don't kiss Bush's ass you get canned like the General earlier in the war.