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Nutmegger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 01:40 AM Original message |
Wheelchair-Bound Woman Dies After Being Shocked With Taser 10 Times |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 01:44 AM Response to Original message |
1. Damn. What question did she ask Kerry? |
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jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 10:41 AM Response to Reply #1 |
95. .. |
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NewYorkerfromMass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 11:29 AM Response to Reply #1 |
100. Damn. Do you have to confuse the issue of why he was arrested? |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 01:01 PM Response to Reply #100 |
106. Oh, he was arrested for being an idiot |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 04:00 PM Response to Reply #106 |
119. This is just typical thinking of you Bill of Right extremists. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 01:45 AM Response to Original message |
2. WTF?! |
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Suich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 01:45 AM Response to Original message |
3. You mean, after you fire a taser at someone, and the probes are sticking in them, |
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ManiacJoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 02:22 AM Response to Reply #3 |
18. The electricity will continue as long as the trigger is held |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 01:46 AM Response to Original message |
4. So many of these stories seem to be coming out of Florida, what is wrong with that state? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 02:04 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. The 5 year old was Florida too |
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AuntPatsy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 02:05 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. I would have to agree with you.... |
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PDenton (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 02:42 AM Response to Reply #9 |
31. Florida needs that law and order |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 02:52 AM Response to Reply #31 |
36. I have a different world view than you |
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ManiacJoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 02:55 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Given the message he responded to, |
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PDenton (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 04:27 AM Response to Reply #36 |
48. No... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 05:17 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. If that's how you like living |
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PDenton (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 05:59 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. how would you fight crime, just curious? |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 07:57 AM Response to Reply #51 |
67. We live in a nice neighborhood, too. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 11:56 AM Response to Reply #51 |
103. First things first |
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PDenton (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 02:08 PM Response to Reply #103 |
109. ok... at least those are some suggestions |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 02:36 PM Response to Reply #109 |
111. low value on human(s) |
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PDenton (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 02:53 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. society should show compassion to those who deserve it first |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 03:03 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. It's All Connected |
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PDenton (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 03:27 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. I blame part of it |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 03:44 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. It's All Connected |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 07:38 AM Response to Reply #48 |
63. I have a feeling you would feel that way |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 08:03 AM Response to Reply #48 |
68. So, you're saying we should cut people's hands off if they steal something? |
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PDenton (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 08:17 AM Response to Reply #68 |
71. crime itself is barbaric |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 08:33 AM Response to Reply #71 |
73. So, would you want to live in a place like Saudi Arabia? |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 09:36 AM Response to Reply #48 |
74. punishing the symptoms whilst ignoring the cause |
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Maraya1969 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 06:14 AM Response to Reply #31 |
55. The police that do these things are no better. If they treat people with respect |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 02:30 PM Response to Reply #31 |
110. What an odd statement. |
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NewYorkerfromMass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 11:33 AM Response to Reply #9 |
101. 100% correct. Boston police killed a young woman |
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Klukie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 06:15 AM Response to Reply #4 |
56. Two words.... |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 12:01 PM Response to Reply #4 |
104. Don't kid yourself. It happens all over, including Denvoid. |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 01:53 AM Response to Original message |
5. Doh- she WAS armed. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 02:05 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Or a mental health professional |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 02:08 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. You know what a mental health professional would do if a client |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 02:26 AM Response to Reply #13 |
21. Look at that big long list |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 02:28 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Once a knife is picked up, any "mental health professional" with an ounce of |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 02:36 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Yet still assist in defusing |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 02:38 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. I think, given the situation, the taser was the best option. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 02:48 AM Response to Reply #28 |
33. They bring griz down with pepper spray |
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ManiacJoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 02:58 AM Response to Reply #33 |
39. No, they do not. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 03:03 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. You don't want to annoy a griz |
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ManiacJoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 03:35 AM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Pepper spray is certainly one of the items in the cop toolbox. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 03:45 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Better than dead citizens |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 03:51 PM Response to Reply #41 |
117. you know what kind of bear spray |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 07:36 AM Response to Reply #13 |
61. Um |
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druidity33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 08:05 AM Response to Reply #13 |
69. how about |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 10:33 AM Response to Reply #69 |
93. Must be some really nice bears where you live if a blanket will stop them |
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druidity33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 11:08 AM Response to Reply #93 |
99. i once saw... |
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The Vinyl Ripper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 09:52 AM Response to Reply #13 |
81. She isn't going to be able to reach anyone in a wheelchair.. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 12:05 PM Response to Reply #81 |
105. Honestly, now. Non-violence tactics are so.......so....passe' |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-21-07 06:21 AM Response to Reply #13 |
126. I'm not defending this incident at ALL... |
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ManiacJoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 02:15 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Tranquilizer darts are not legal against humans. |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 02:18 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Batons seems too close. |
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ManiacJoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 02:25 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Normally you would be right, but |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 02:48 AM Response to Reply #20 |
32. Distraction/baton combo |
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ManiacJoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 02:50 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Exactly. (n/t) |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 03:54 PM Response to Reply #20 |
118. and, of course |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 02:22 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. That was rather tongue in cheek |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 02:21 AM Response to Reply #5 |
16. I can't help but think that I could defeat an elderly, chair-bound knife-swinger without a taser. |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 02:22 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Um. Yes. |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 02:52 AM Response to Reply #19 |
37. So, the only option besides "walking away" was ELECTROCUTING HER TO DEATH? |
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ManiacJoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 03:01 AM Response to Reply #37 |
40. No one is saying that at all. |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 03:05 AM Response to Reply #37 |
42. "If I were you, I'd THINK about that before saying it again." |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 03:56 AM Response to Reply #42 |
47. Please, tell me more. I'd like that a lot. |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 07:42 AM Response to Reply #42 |
65. TAZER HIM........ |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 09:58 AM Response to Reply #37 |
84. Hey they only jolted the wheelchair bound grandma 10 times, whats the big deal? |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 06:01 AM Response to Reply #19 |
52. She was in a wheelchair and had limited or no mobility. |
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PDenton (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 02:39 AM Response to Reply #5 |
29. They should have used a pepper ball gun or bean-bag shotgun |
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ManiacJoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 02:49 AM Response to Reply #29 |
34. This is actually a good example of when to use a taser. |
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BlackVelvet04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 07:37 AM Response to Reply #5 |
62. Do you think she could chase people down in her wheelchair? |
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Liberty Belle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 01:58 AM Response to Original message |
6. Who is training these crazed law enforcement thugs? Blackwater? |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 01:59 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. She had two knives and a hammer and was swinging them |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 02:28 AM Response to Reply #7 |
22. Let her swing them much as she wants to until she exhausts herself. |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 02:33 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. You can't let her keep the knives. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 02:40 AM Response to Reply #25 |
30. Well, clearly what they did was not the answer, they killed her! |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 07:41 AM Response to Reply #25 |
64. No you don't. |
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alphafemale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 03:24 AM Response to Reply #7 |
44. If a person in a wheelchair was swinging a knife at me....what would I do? |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 09:38 AM Response to Reply #7 |
77. She was also in a fucking wheelchair... |
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Azathoth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 02:03 AM Response to Original message |
8. Sounds like the female cop was out of control |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 02:35 AM Response to Reply #8 |
26. I'm betting you're right. |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 02:06 AM Response to Original message |
12. my god--how very sad and absolutely scary |
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shance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 02:29 AM Response to Original message |
24. I think Amy Goodman talked about this on DN - sent chills down my spine to hear |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 03:17 AM Response to Original message |
43. get everybody out of there but three strong cops. keep telling her |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 07:54 AM Response to Reply #43 |
66. Bravo. |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 08:31 PM Response to Reply #66 |
122. it is shocking and heartbreaking, isn't it? thank you, smoogatz. |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 10:03 AM Response to Reply #43 |
86. Yes, they could have handled this without anyone being hurt, |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 08:35 PM Response to Reply #86 |
123. yes, they really could have. thank you, DemBones DemBones. |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 05:54 AM Response to Original message |
50. This one will never see the inside of a court room |
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Bassic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 08:11 AM Response to Reply #50 |
70. I doubt that very much. |
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Maraya1969 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 06:07 AM Response to Original message |
53. Why haven't criminal charges been brought up? This is horrible. |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 06:13 AM Response to Original message |
54. The Florida cops think Tasers are toys. They use them on |
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Apollo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 06:22 AM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Only yesterday this Forum was full of people defending taser use |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 10:29 AM Response to Reply #57 |
90. And I was one of the ones saying "Are you crazy?" |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 06:38 AM Response to Original message |
58. We've had a local taser brouhaha of late and it's in the bluest town |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 10:30 AM Response to Reply #58 |
91. Wasn't a man having a seizure tasered? |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 11:48 AM Response to Reply #91 |
102. It wouldn't surprise me, but I don't think it was in this particular town. |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 01:54 PM Response to Reply #102 |
108. I don't dance because of the threat of being tasered, or administered |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 04:19 PM Response to Reply #91 |
121. Yes |
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Fly by night (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 07:18 AM Response to Original message |
59. Another taser thread -- so last weekend. Wait, here's another shiny ball... |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 07:29 AM Response to Original message |
60. Before I clicked on the link and read the story I asked myself, "Is she Black?" |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
72. While the taser was definitely overused |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 09:37 AM Response to Reply #72 |
75. 'The woman was a danger to herself', so they killed her! |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 09:45 AM Response to Reply #75 |
78. Did you not read what I wrote? |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 09:47 AM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Yes I did, and was pointing out the horrible irony of the situation. |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 09:50 AM Response to Reply #79 |
80. I think the police were obviously wrong to use the taser that much |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 10:05 AM Response to Reply #75 |
87. A similar tragedy occurred in Lawrence, Kansas, in 1991 |
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alphafemale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 09:03 PM Response to Reply #87 |
124. omg What a nightmare for those parents. |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
76. How many people do the Police get to MURDER before we put a stop to tasers? |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 09:52 AM Response to Reply #76 |
82. should we take away cops guns too? |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 09:55 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. No I said we should get rid of tasers, can you read? |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 10:06 AM Response to Reply #83 |
88. maybe cops don't use guns, clubs, etc. on wheelchair bound folks on your planet |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 10:40 AM Response to Reply #88 |
94. Cops shouldn't be using any of those, or Tasers, |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 10:46 AM Response to Reply #94 |
96. I don't disagree |
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Bassic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-21-07 07:10 AM Response to Reply #96 |
127. It does have the potential to do that. |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 10:20 AM Response to Reply #76 |
89. Too many, obviously. Tasers should be banned. |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
85. I think the phrase "Taser™-finger" will soon replace "trigger-finger" in popular jargon... |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
92. Goddamn fucking cops. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
97. This just needs to be called "electrocution" from here on out. |
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CT_Progressive (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
98. Too bad Bugs Bunny wasn't there.. |
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emlev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
107. This happened months ago, the story is from yesterday |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
114. What a senseless tragedy. It truly sickens me that people are defending this tasering as well...nt |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
120. The phrase "wheelchair-bound" is obsolete |
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125. was she an asshole though? |
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