Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

The misguided liberal (?) hawks

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:25 PM
Original message
The misguided liberal (?) hawks
By Tony Judt
October 8, 2007


The "liberal hawks" are back. These, of course, are the politicians and pundits who threw in their lot with George W. Bush in 2003: voting and writing for a "preventive war" - a war of choice that would avenge 9/11, clean up Iraq, stifle Islamic terrorism, spread shock, awe and democracy across the Middle East and re-affirm the credentials of a benevolently interventionist America. For a while afterward, the president's liberal enablers fell silent, temporarily abashed by their complicity in the worst foreign policy error in American history. But gradually they are returning. And they are in a decidedly self-righteous mood.

Yes, they concede, Bush messed up his (our) war. But even if the war was a mistake, it was a brave and good mistake and we were right to make it, just as we were right to advocate intervention in Bosnia and Kosovo. ("The difference between Kosovo and Iraq isn't between a country that wanted peace and one that didn't," the Slate editor and one-time war cheerleader Jacob Weisberg, now tells us. "It was a matter of better management and better luck.") We were right to be wrong - and that's why you should listen to us now.

In addition, they say, we have the guts to call a spade a spade - to designate Muslim suicide-bombers "Islamic Fascists" (Paul Berman) and "Islamofascists" (Christopher Hitchens) - and to denounce Iranian demagogues as would-be Hitlers. We are the heirs, according to the former New Republic editor Peter Beinart, of the anti-totalitarian struggles of World War II and the Cold War, and our battle against terrorism is the defining cause of the age.

We are going to hear much more in this vein in the coming months. And there is a new twist. For all its shortcomings, the Iraq war, we are now reminded, was "justified" (Bob Kerrey, the former Democratic senator) by its impeccable moral credentials. It was supported - and is still - by leading European intellectuals, notably former dissidents like Adam Michnik and Vaclav Havel. They understand evil and the need for America to take a stand. So do we. Our domestic critics simply don't "get it." They are appeasers and defeatists . . .


more: http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/10/08/opinion/edjudt.php
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 12:32 PM
Response to Original message
1. Misguided liberal (?) hawk voters
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 12:32 PM by texastoast
What I'm seeing is that a lot of folks here do not get that as long as we have the war going on, there will be:

(1) No money for health care (unless we borrow more from China)
(2) No money for education (unless we borrow more from China)
(3) No money for anything precious to the liberal (sane) perspective for America.

All of this borrowing, of course, laid on the backs of the next generations.

The war is THE thing that we have to get rid of.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 01:03 PM
Response to Original message
2. Iraq hawks are liberals, they're abetters of warcrimes.
The Iraq invasion is nothing like the international intervention in Kosovo.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 01:21 PM
Response to Original message
3. My "liberal" (D) rep now favors the surge and demands more time.
There are a lot of folks in this district who are less than pleased with his flip-flop and will, presumably, vote accordingly.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2003850954_bairdop24.html
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 05:02 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. presumably
hopefully.

It's amazing to see the ambitions these Democratic politicians are still intent on pursuing behind the sacrifice of lives in Iraq.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sat May 04th 2024, 08:38 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC