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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 01:32 PM
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Kucinich: Get Ready to Read Bush His Miranda Rights
Kucinich: Get Ready to Read Bush His Miranda Rights
Submitted by davidswanson on Sun, 2007-10-14 18:16. Criminal Prosecution

Kucinich speech at Latino Congresso, via MyDD

I'm so grateful to be with you this morning. It's such an honor. When I am with this community, I realize the real connection I have, from the heart, (el corazón). It's a connection that transcends the issues, but it connects us to the issues at the same time.

When I started my career in politics forty years ago in Cleveland, the Puerto Rican population was growing, and there were a lot of problems between that community and the police. And so when I finally got elected to city council with the help of the Puerto Rican community, the first thing I did was to take a Spanish language course, so that I could better understand and communicate with members of the Latino community. One of the things we first discovered in the city council was the fact that the police were arresting Latinos without reading them their rights, in direct violation of the Miranda decision. So if someone didn't speak English, they didn't have any rights. The police didn't understand that even if people couldn't speak English, it didn't mean that those people shouldn't have rights. So I was responsible for causing the Cleveland Police to have to learn the Miranda rights in Spanish and carry a card with them.

Now the people in the Administration of George Bush better remember their Miranda rights, because when I'm elected President I'm going to see that they are arrested. I'm not kidding here! I want to let you to know something; how I feel about what's happened to our country. We have been led into a war based upon lies -- an unjust a war. We've seen our civil liberties taken away because of lies. The President, the Vice President, the Secretary of State, and the Secretary of Defense are all part of this. They're going to be held accountable under the law. If someone runs a traffic light, they'll get a ticket here. There are a million dead Iraqis and almost 4,000 dead American soldiers as a result of this war. Where is the accountability? What's happened is that our constitution is being torn up. And in this toxic environment, the Administration, in its never-ending quest for more scapegoats, focuses on immigrants. You know it and I know it. And we see, unfortunately, the failure of the Democratic Party to stand up to this Administration.

I'm going to give you an example of something that occurred a couple of weeks ago. We had the bill on children's health care that we passed out of the House and it covered all children, including the children of legal immigrants: about 600,000 children. But because of some Republicans in the Senate, who said, "Look, we're not dealing with any immigrants," it doesn't even matter if they're legal at this point, the Democrats wouldn't fight to keep it in the Bill. They took it out. So they brought the bill back to the House, without 600,000 children of immigrants who are legal. Now, think about what that means. It means that we are in so much fear in this country that our children are now being affected by it. You see, I happen to believe that all children, whether they are the children of those that are documented or not, should be covered for their health care. When our politics has gotten to the point where we start to divide our children into various camps, where we start to separate our children from one another, we set the stage for the splitting of the Nation. I want to see our Nation united together. It is time that we had a President who understood that human unity is what makes for peace. And that when we impose the wrath of the law that is unjust, what we're doing is we're stopping peace from happening. So, I'm running for President to make sure that all the people in America know that they have someone who they can count on, and know that they will have a President who will stand up for them. And I will tell you today that the Latino community, in particular, has a right to expect that all the candidates will stand in front of you and say, "Yes. We must have a path to legalization. Yes. There must be a way for people to work in this country, if they want to live in Mexico. Yes. We must take down that wall!"

Isn't it interesting how famous Ronald Reagan became for saying, "Mr. Gorbachev, take down that wall." Oh, how far we've come from those days. When President Reagan said, "Take down that wall," and President Bush now says, "Build up a wall," where are we going as a nation?

I believe the way the immigrant community is treated, whether documented or not, reflects the direction and future of America. We must believe that our brothers and sisters, Latinos and all of the other ethnic groups, are essential to who we are as Americans. We are forgetting what it is that made this country great. We are forgetting that the Statue of Liberty was there for all nationalities. Maybe it would be helpful if we put Emma Lazarus's poem into Spanish, where she said, "Give me your tired, give me your poor."

more...

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/27692
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 01:35 PM
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1. Kucinich Rocks!
:applause:
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:47 AM
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51. yes, this speech rocks absolutely
:clap:
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 01:31 PM
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83. Yes he certainly does! n/t
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daninthemoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 01:36 PM
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2. DK should be recognized as a hero, instead of dismissed.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 01:37 PM
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3. nice
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 01:40 PM
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4. Did he bother to explain why he skipped that debate in Iowa and left his supporters
saying "WTF? Where IS he?" after he accepted the invitation?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:31 PM
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19. don't even bother. n/t
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:36 PM
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21. I suppose that matter is an inconvenient truth...
Can't dampen the enthusiasm of the cheering throngs, I suppose, with pesky facts.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:38 PM
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22. nope. but it's pretty
fascinating to watch.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 05:26 PM
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27. Go Denise ..
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 07:38 PM
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33. transparent
Edited on Sun Oct-14-07 07:39 PM by Lerkfish
by that I mean YOU are transparent. Dennis rocks in that speech. Your Kucinich bashing is atrocious. Aren't you the same people that complain when it happend to Clinton?

what does that make you, then? just curious.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 04:26 AM
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48. Criticism:
Did he bother to explain why he skipped that debate in Iowa and left his supporters
saying "WTF? Where IS he?" after he accepted the invitation?

bashing: Hillary is a monster. Hillary is inhumane. Hillary is just like Marshall Petain, a nazi collaborator.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 09:49 AM
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59. What, I am bashing, because the guy fucked over his supporters in Iowa and I MENTION it?
Please, have another slug of Kool Aid, there, you wouldn't wanna sober up and see the real picture now, wouldja?

What that makes me is someone who wants to know why he fucked over those people in Iowa, to whom he RSVP'd, and who were waiting for him to participate in the debate that he SAID he would attend--that's what that makes me.

What does your question make you? An unquestioning acolyte? Someone who can't handle any missteps by, or criticism of, your idol? Never mind "Leave Britney ALONE!" Are you in production with the DENNIS version?

Inquiring minds want to know...really don't give a shit, they already have a good idea...
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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:47 AM
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52. What does that have to do with this thread? nt
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 09:01 AM
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53. Kucinich's name is on it. That's all the impetus some need.
:hi:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 09:43 AM
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58. His supporters were saying that the people who were waiting for him in Iowa shouldn't judge him
and that, like the Mahdi, he would appear one day and explain all. That he had a 'good reason' for not showing up. He would tell his followers, like Jesus, in his own good time. That anyone who asked questions was 'wrong.'

Here he is, in all his glory--did he explain why he stiffed those folks in Iowa that made all those preparations for his arrival? Who had a room and supporters waiting for his ass?

Or is it WRONG to question the Anointed UberLefty?

:eyes:
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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 10:07 AM
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60. No, it is wrong to post off topic posts that contribute nothing to the discussion
it is on the same level as trolling.

I will be the first to admit Kucinich's campaign is incompetent, but that's not an excuse nor a reason to post this in every thread that mentions Kucinich.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 10:25 AM
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61. Oooh, "It is WRONG" eh? Thanks for proving my point!!!
The topic is about Representative Kucinich and an appearance he made.

I am asking about Representative Kucinich and an appearance he MISSED.

Character DOES count, you know. And that relates to the man's candidacy.

And I don't know what the fuck you are talking about with this blatant bullshit:

    ...that's not an excuse nor a reason to post this in every thread that mentions Kucinich.


      I insist that you list "every thread" where I've posted this. Come on, put that money where your assertive mouth is. I've only mentioned it in ONE other thread, and that is the thread where I LEARNED from his SUPPORTERS that he stiffed them.

      But way to make a totally false suggestion there, with a boatload of bullshit and innuendo, nicely wrapped up in a single, untrue, poisonous sentence!!! Fucking masterful, that!! False and mendacious, but masterful nonetheless!!!!

      I wasn't aware that anyone died and made you the DU Nanny with regard to what's 'right' or 'wrong,' with regard to what people are allowed to say, either. But hey, whatever.
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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 10:57 AM
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65. I see a struck a chord, relax there buddy.
Edited on Mon Oct-15-07 10:58 AM by Pawel K
I don't know if it is you that keeps following each Kucinich thread and then post this crap about how terrible of a politician he is. I know cali does this in almost every thread and you guys seemed to have developed quite the lovefest in this discussion. I am by no means making any rules here and I'm certainly not trying to, I am simply giving you my opinion about this derailing of threads from both sides of the isle and that it needs to stop.

For some reason I think your attitude would be different if I went around and talked about how Clinton's policies lead to over 500,000 Iraqi children dying from disease in the 90s the next time a thread about HRC popped up, regardless of what the topic of that thread was on. This place has become extremely divided lately, I am by no means innocent in that regard but what you did with that reply is part of the reason we are so divided. Kucinich is certainly not our enemy, and eventhough I agree he probably will not win (I'm actually positive of this) I have a hard time understanding why so many of you spend so much of your time and energy on down playing him.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:22 PM
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76. Oh, BS. Struck a chord, my ass. You make an accusation about me, and then back away.
Again, put up or shut up.

You accuse me of something I didn't do, and then you slyly, in halfassed fashion ("I don't know if it's YOU..."), retract it, after you launch what looks like a retort with a snarky ass subject line.

Then, you try to change the subject. I pointed out that my question was appropriate, and it WAS--if you didn't want to answer it, why the fuck did you even jump in? And then, you continue to net-nanny by insisting that a valid query is a derailment, when you're a big part of the derailment--see, I'm now unlikely to get an answer to my question, thanks to your "blocking" tactic.

I guess that discussions in your little world must follow very narrow lines. That's not how the larger world works, though.

Then, you 'lump'--who are these "you guys" of which you speak? Not me. Is ANYONE who dares to discuss this fellow you apparently idolize in anything other than praiseworthy, simpering terms a member of a derailment mafia? Bullshit.

When the guy blows off HIS OWN SUPPORTERS and doesn't give them the courtesy of a simple explanation, it's noteworthy and impacts his credibility on every issue. Even if you don't like it.

You simply can't pull that sloppy shit and not expect me, or someone else, to call you on it.

And your logic in your last paragraph is wrong. I'm not a Clinton supporter either.

Get over yourself. Take that little generic warning about "assuming" to heart, too. And do stop lumping--it makes you look bad.

As for DK, if he really wants to be taken seriously, he should have turned up at that Iowa debate. He spends all his time CRYING about how no one asks him questions at these things, and when he has an opportunity to have ONE THIRD of the alloted time, he gives it a miss. It's valid to ask WHY? Is he afraid of being compared in a small venue? Does he not have the chops to hold his own in a three way debate?

His supporters, who are at the venue awaiting him, are not even told he isn't coming, and yet he expects to be treated as an earnest and credible spokesman for his views.

It's bullshit. And it's a valid point. Even if you don't happen to like it because it makes your fellah look a little...oh, political? Calculating? Insincere?
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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 01:11 PM
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78. My fellah?
Didn't you just write that huge paragraph about how you shouldn't assume anything? Why are you assuming I'm a Kucinich supporter?

I am not trying to block anything. I will go back to my original point skipping over all the personal bullshit. You made a point that Kucinich did not show up to a scheduled event in a thread about a totally different, unrelated, event. Why would you do this here? Why not start a new thread if you are that upset about it?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 09:14 AM
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99. Because he SHOWED UP there, at the 'bigger, better' venue. NT
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Michael101 Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:11 PM
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71. I'm sorry Dennis Kucinich didn't show up
Hi friend, I' m sorry that Mr. Kucinich did not attend your debate. I'm sure there's a very good explanation for this. I think that Mr. Kucinich should give the Iowa people an explanation but don't judge him too harshly until he does. Have a great day.
Greeting from Los Angeles...
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 01:33 PM
Response to Reply #58
84. He never explained why he didn't show up?
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 01:44 PM
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5. He speaks truly, and from the heart...
Would that all our candidates would do that...

He gives me hope.

K&R

:patriot:
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 01:47 PM
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6. Miranda Rights in spanish?
If you don't have an interpreter how are you going to question them? Therefore, interpreter can read them their rights. Same has been true when arresting any foreign speaking person.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 01:48 AM
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45. Pssst, a quick tutorial on how the "justice" system works for many people
...but first a few points on language and people who struggle to communicate and cooperate. Lets use me as an example. I speak very poor, very broken Spanish. In any situation with a Spanish speaking person who did not speak English I would try my best to communicate. It would be no different if Spanish speaking authorities were questioning me.

Now consider Spanish speakers here in the US with varying degrees of ability in the English language, most would try to cooperate as best as they could. Let's see how this might (not)work for Spanish speakers in our very broken criminal "justice" system:

Cop: Do you have any weapons?

Spanish speaking person who does not understand their miranda rights: Sí, poseo un fusil.
The person may mean that they own guns in another nation or location, but most police departments/prosecutors office would not hesitate to use that statement in a court of law. Please remember that most people who are subjected to the criminal "justice" system can't afford an attorney and are left to depend upon public defenders.

Can you see how a person with limited language skills can and would answer to the best of their ability when they recognize common words or phrases, but have no clue to more complex sentence structures?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 09:02 AM
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54. There's usually no interpreter in the car when people are arrested.
Did you really think an interpreter rode along in every cop car, just in case?

Interrogations take place after the arrest, at the station. Not in the car immediately after arrest.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:00 PM
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68. So a cop reads the Miranda Rights in Spanish
What is the next step for the cop who doesn't speak Spanish? If there is cause to arrest the person, like maybe possession, or whatever would cause a cop to arrest someone without having a conversation with them, they should have an interpreter before questioning or before the arrested person signs anything. They are entitled to an interpreter, been that way for years. If you go to court/trial with defective evidence like not reading them their rights or having signed something without an interpreter, it should be thrown out of court.

I realize this post was mostly about Kuchinich charging bush/cheney with crimes. THAT is a great plan! Yet, Dennis, Biden, etc. have slim to none chance of winning the nomination. What has not been accomplished in the House and Senate by our Dem leaders has me wondering why they don't scream about, twist arms, demand that Nancy explain why she has and is against forcing bush/cheney to go under oath and testify concerning the Lies of this Administration.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #68
69. Yes, but the qeustioning happens at the station...
the interpreter is not necessarily around during the time of the arrest.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 01:51 PM
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7. "when I'm elected President I'm going to see that they are arrested."
Here's a suggestion: Introduce impeachment now!
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 02:54 PM
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16. he already has
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:30 PM
Response to Reply #16
18. not with a privileged resolution, as he said he was thinking of doing. eom
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 05:37 PM
Response to Reply #18
28. Why not with a privileged resolution>?
Why didn't he introduce it so it HAD to be debated?
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #18
29. Well he did indeed introduce HR 333 which calls for the Impeachment of Dick Cheny
Once hearings start then the congress would have no choice but to do them both all since it would become obvious with the evidence!


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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:25 AM
Response to Reply #29
41. But why can't he make it a privileged resolution
So it will be taken up immediately????

Why????
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 02:46 AM
Response to Reply #41
46. Good question seems like most rep did not even know such a thing existed until he mentioned it 2week
s ago! I suppose he has his reasons just like a lot of people believe they woint impeach due to the blackmail or threats of another Anthrax attack on congress and their families! We know the last one came from a rouge element in the government (the 4th branch no doubt)
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 01:53 PM
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8. Now there's a man WORTHY to occupy the Oval Office. recommended
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 02:14 PM
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9. K&R for Kooch! n/t
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 02:16 PM
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10. "when I'm elected President I'm going to see that they are arrested."
WOWEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 02:18 PM
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11. Are you another one of those crazy Saint Kucinich supporters?
K & R :evilgrin:
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SergeyDovlatov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 02:32 PM
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12. Go Dennis! k & r
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 02:42 PM
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13. restrictions on health care is heartless
So what are we supposed to do, let people die on our doorsteps because they don't have the right piece of paper, if the
right wing crazoids started paying attention they would see this as a non-issue. The ceos of the big corporations are the
ones ripping this country off, not the spanish guy nailing roof shingles in the hot sun across the street from them.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #13
17. We let homeless people die, so yes, that's just what they want.
Doorsteps or not, dying is what they desire poor folk to do.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #17
90. look at the man who rec'd the Nobel prize in Medicine
he was a homeless street urchin for 2 years while his mother was in a concentration camp, we all lose from these needless
deaths.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 07:30 PM
Response to Reply #90
91. I can't claim that I'd do anything so valuable, but surely my life should be worth *something*??
Yet, where is the passion, right here on DU?????

Thanks for that notice.... do you have any kind of reference? I might like to use that at some point. ^_^

Thanks! :thumbsup:
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 08:58 AM
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97. who knows what your destiny will be
Mario Capecchi, Former WWII Street Urchin, Wins Nobel Prize
After surviving a brutal childhood on the streets of Italy during WWII, American geneticist Mario Capecchi shares the Nobel Prize with two other scientists

Born in Verona, Capecchi was just three years old when his mother was arrested by the Gestapo for distributing anti-Nazi information. She was sent to Dachau’s concentration camp in 1941. Anticipating the arrest, his mother had sold all of their possessions and given the money to a neighbor family to take care of her son. Capecchi’s father was fighting in the Italian army during the war, and would later be killed in the line of duty.

The neighbor family cared for the boy for a year, and then the money ran out. At four years old, Capecchi was put out onto the streets of Italy to fend for himself.

After more than four years of scavenging and fighting to survive during the war, Capecchi was ill and near starvation at a hospital in Italy. On his ninth birthday, his mother, who survived the concentration camp, found him there after searching for him for over a year.

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/mario-capecchi-former-wwii-street-urchin-wins-nobel-prize.html
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:38 PM
Response to Reply #13
36. Especially children who cannot help the situation into which they are born
If their parents move here from another country, legally or illegally, it's not their fault! And from a purely financial point of view, these people still show up in our nation's emergency departments where they are treated with no insurance. And that passes it onto those of us who fork over a lot of money every month to pay for insurance for our families.

So if people don't want to see that it is immoral not to cover everyone, maybe they can see it if it hits their pocketbooks.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #36
89. when someone is w/o health insurance then
we can choose to act like a civilized society or we can turn our backs, in my lifetime we have spent billions
and billions of dollars for weapons that rot in silos or are obsolete before they are built yet there is
such resistance to caring about people and helping them.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #89
93. Compassion is so very...... last millenium....
It hurts to be one of the forgotten, and invisible.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 07:32 PM
Response to Reply #36
92. What am I, chopped liver?
REally, it is just so very sad that the only way to get compassion for issues of poverty is to plead for "the children".

I guess we adults should just throw ourselves off a cliff....

:(
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 01:10 AM
Response to Reply #92
95. No, not at all. I think EVERYONE should be covered. In fact, SCHIP
is supposed to help adults who need health care too. But it is seen by the American people to be a children's issue and their stupid representatives are still voting against this.

In this day and age, most adults can't help that they are in poverty either. Still, kids are really powerless to do anything, while adults, IN THEORY, could fix their situation. Of course, we all know how well that works for working and non-working adults in Bush's America.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 12:05 PM
Response to Reply #95
100. Adults DIE from lack of health care.
This is NOT a minor semantics issue.

But, it's become clear that even death doesn't matter anymore.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 09:08 AM
Response to Reply #92
98. no, we are all in this boat
I have noticed that Tv is changing, suddenly the vets are not plaster saints but somebody who might need help themselves,
gasp, there are local commercials about domestic abuse. I sense things are changing, it is no longer the winner
take all mentality. Now that they took everything, what is plan B?
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #98
101. Yet, this kind of issue remains. I want all liberals to understand just how it feels to be left
out and isolated.

As I said above.. it isn't just semantics.. this affects how people think about us older adults, and, more importantly, how they take action... or not.

It is literally a life and death issue!
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yoyossarian Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 02:45 PM
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14. Whooo-HOOO! GO, DENNIS!
The ONLY guy with the guts to state the obvious! How refreshing!
Dennis Kucinich has ALWAYS been a rogue element in our criminal system of government... he's a firebrand and a born shitkicker, and I love hearing him say those words out loud!... just hope he doesn't do something stupid now, like going trick-or-treating with Dick Cheney...
Will he even get a little media attention here? I doubt it...
But he makes me proud to be from Cleveland, anyway...

It would be nice to get some humans back into the office anyway...




Outrageous anti-Bush t-shirts, mugs, buttons n' cards at
http://cafepress.com/laughcity

Wanna see something REALLY scary???
http://steponnopets.com/peo">President Evil Online has risen from the grave!

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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:35 PM
Response to Reply #14
20. I hope rush, hanity and the rest of the noise machine give Dennis
a little free publicity over this.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 02:46 PM
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15. Say it louder Dennis. Say it on the Daily show, say it the Colbert show,
If you get that message out, you will win!!
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dickbearton Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 04:26 PM
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23. K&R.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 04:28 PM
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24. "when I'm elected President I'm going to see that they are arrested."
That alone is more than sufficient reason to vote for this man.
:kick: & R


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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 04:35 PM
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25. "...when I'm elected President I'm going to see that they are arrested"
Just got him $50 via the act blue page.

Go Dennis!

-Hoot
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Bennyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 04:51 PM
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26. Rock On Dennis......
The more he talks the more I know I cannot in right conscience support any other candidate. DK speaks for me. The rest do not.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 06:01 PM
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30. Arrest them now, Dennis. Do NOT wait to be president.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 06:45 PM
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31. way to go, dennis? but why wait till you're president??
IMPEACH NOW!!
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 07:16 PM
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32. He said the magic words.
"...when I'm elected President I'm going to see that they are arrested."
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 07:52 PM
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34. This is what a true American Hero says:
"when I'm elected President I'm going to see that they are arrested. I'm not kidding here! I want to let you to know something; how I feel about what's happened to our country. We have been led into a war based upon lies -- an unjust a war. We've seen our civil liberties taken away because of lies. The President, the Vice President, the Secretary of State, and the Secretary of Defense are all part of this. They're going to be held accountable under the law. If someone runs a traffic light, they'll get a ticket here. There are a million dead Iraqis and almost 4,000 dead American soldiers as a result of this war. Where is the accountability? What's happened is that our constitution is being torn up." - Democratic Party Loyal Representative Dennis Kucinich.

History Has A Place For All True Americans Like DK And His Voters Who Will Restore True Beautiful Democracy Over pnac and bfee's despicable fascism.

Say It Loud And Clear!

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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 08:10 PM
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35. An amazingly strong close... very good writing...
"Needs"

"The housing needs of America are greater than ever. Healthcare needs are greater than ever. The job needs of America are greater than ever. The need for higher wages is greater than ever. The need for a fair and just immigration policy is greater than ever. The need to stand for peace is greater than ever. Our system is failing the American people. My candidacy is about rallying the American people to defend their basic human and economic rights. This is our moment to reclaim our nation. This is our moment to restore our nation; our moment to say what America really stands for. This is our moment to say we are part of this country; we helped build this country; we helped make this country what it is. And we are not going to let anyone take this country away from us, whether it's for oil or for money or for blood. This is our nation, and we will reclaim it. We will restore it, and we will call it the United States of America for all the people. Thank you very much. Thank you."

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/27692
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #35
73. "And we are not going to let anyone take this country away from
us..." :thumbsup:


And many other strong points as well, war as a last resort.

"Number one, we have to break the fear that is holding so many of our fellow citizens captive. It's not only the fear of the other; it's the fear that people will not be safe. You know and I know that the war against the people of Iraq has made this country less safe. You know and I know that it is important to have a President who not only rejects the war against Iraq, who not only rejects a war against Iran, but who rejects war as an instrument of policy. It is time to have a President who truly stands for peace.

Dr. King understood this, forty years ago when he said the war in Vietnam was destroying the people of two nations..."
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yoyossarian Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:53 PM
Response to Original message
37. Great post, babysis!
Kickin' it again!
:kick:

I just can't wait for this moment:




T-shirts, mugs, buttons n' cards at http://cafepress.com/laughcity">Laugh City!

http://steponnopets.com/peo">President Evil Online has risen from the grave!

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rabies1 Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #37
62. I love that photo.
And DK rocks bigtime!
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 11:38 PM
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38. Kucinich GET IT! "Yes. We must take down that wall!"
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 11:40 PM
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39. If only Amerika would listen to DK. If only. He's the only one who truly speaks for me.
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:24 AM
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40. Kicked and Recommended
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FREEWILL56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:35 AM
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42. K&R and he gets my vote.
I want to see these treasonous people pay for their crimes. They have much blood on their hands and I'm getting sick of all complicit dems too.
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Mich Otter Donating Member (887 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:36 AM
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43. I will be voting for Dennis Kucinich when ever I can.
I will vote for him in the Michigan primaries. And, I hope he gets on a ticket. He makes more sense than any of the other candidates.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 01:01 AM
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44. A dozen words I have longed to hear!
"...when I'm elected President I'm going to see that they are arrested"

K and R
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 03:45 AM
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47. k+r
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 07:47 AM
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49. President that man!
:loveya: Dennis!
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:19 AM
Response to Original message
50. More evidence to suggest
that he is the Democrat who can be trusted to get the job done.

The job of turning this nation around, cleaning up the corruption, and refocusing on social and economic justice.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 09:20 AM
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57. Oh but he can't win... blah blah. Such horseshit.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 01:17 PM
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81. He's already a winner in my book! n/t
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-16-07 08:54 AM
Response to Reply #81
96. My book says he is too!
:toast:
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 09:08 AM
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55. DK has my primary vote. nt
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k8conant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 09:09 AM
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56. Even more reason to keep supporting Kucinich
I voted for him in 2004 and will again this year.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 10:40 AM
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63. Not a single one of the "front runners" has made any such promises. Not one.
If a person has full knowledge of illegal acts and does nothing to help bring the perpetrators of said acts to justice, they are guilty of being an accomplice. If a person actively inhibits investigation of such acts and works to prevent such acts from being prosecuted, they are guilty of being a co-conspirator.

Clinton and Obama are co-conspirators to the war crimes being committed in Iraq and to treason against the United States Constitution and the American people. Edwards, at best, is merely an accomplice. Kucinich is at least calling the Junta on their criminal actions.

Why, again, am I supposed to vote for Clinton, Obama or Edwards?
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 10:57 AM
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64. President Kucinich
will be a great leader for us.
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Mr. Ected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 11:19 AM
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66. I Will Be A Democrat As Long As Dennis Kucinich Influences the Party
If only his fellow congressmen and -women would gravitate more towards his politics.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 11:59 AM
Response to Reply #66
67. Which probably means we're leaving the Party

because they're not being much influenced by Dennis, alas.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:21 PM
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75. ....
:(
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Michael101 Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:04 PM
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70. Attention People in California Dennis Kucinich in town on Sunday Oct. 21!!!
Hi everyone, Dennis Kucinich wil be at Sierra Madre next weekend. Please come out and show your support if you live in the area.
The address is ; 611 East Sierra Madre Blvd., Sierra Madre, CA.
That's only 20 minutes away if you live in the Glendale,Burban, Los Angeles, North Hollywood area
That's onlly 30 to 35 minutes away if you live in the Santa Monica area
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:20 PM
Response to Reply #70
74. Dennis in California on Saturday and Sunday, details below.
http://www.dennis4president.com/index.php?option=com_jcalpro&Itemid=36&extmode=flat


"Saturday, October 20, 2007

Laguna Woods, CA - Dennis Speaks At Democratic Club Breakfast (10:00AM - 10:15AM)
October 20

10:00 am- 10:15 am (Breakfast starts at 8:44 am)

Presidential Candidate Dennis Kucinich speaks at the
Laguna Woods Democratic Club Breakfast

24262 Punta Alta
Laguna Woods, CA

Contact: Sharon Tipton 949.257.8501

Contact Info : Sharon Tipton 949.257.8501


Laguna Woods, CA - Meet Presidential Candidate Dennis Kucinich (10:15AM - 11:15AM)
October 20, Saturday

10:15 – 11:15 am
Meet Presidential Candidate Dennis Kucinich
Laguna Woods, CA 92637
Campaign Coordinator: Julie Wedge jmwedge@gmail.com

Contact Info : Julie Wedge Email : jmwedge@gmail.comThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it


Encinitas, CA - Meet Dennis (12:15PM - 1:15PM)
12:15 – 1:15 pm

Meet Presidential Candidate Dennis Kucinich

Encinitas, CA
Contact: Jeeni Criscenzo jeeni1@criscenzo.com,

Contact Info : Jeeni Criscenzo Email : jeeni1@criscenzo.comThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it


Rancho Santa Margarita, CA - Meet Dennis (3:00PM - 4:00PM)
3:00 – 4:00 pm
Meet Presidential Candidate Dennis Kucinich
Rancho Santa Margarita, CA
Contact Mike Moodian: Michael.Moodian@pepperdine.edu

Contact Info : Mike Moodian Email : Michael.Moodian@pepperdine.eduThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it


Calabasas, CA - Meet Dennis (6:30PM - 8:00PM)
6:30pm to 8pm

Meet Presidential Candidate Dennis Kucinich

Calabasas, CA

Contact: Ninon Aprea ninonaprea@gmail.com

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Sunday, October 21, 2007

Sierra Madre,CA - Dennis Speaks At Rally And Fundraiser (9:00AM - 12:00PM)
October 21
9:00 am - 12:00 noon

(9:30 - 10:00am Dennis Speaks)

Rally and Fundraiser
Sierra Vista Park
611 E Sierra Madre Blvd.,
Sierra Madre,CA

mlroses@dslextreme.com

Email : mlroses@dslextreme.comThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it


San Mateo County Democratic Party Straw Poll - Your Vote COUNTS!!! (2:00PM - 4:30PM)
2:00 – 4:30 pm

San Mateo County Democratic Party Straw Poll - Your vote COUNTS!!!

San Mateo County Expo Center
Oak Hall, 2495 S. Delaware Street
San Mateo

Contact: Vince Scarich
crystalf@pipeline.com

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Monterey, CA - Dennis At Monterey Music Summit (9:00PM - 10:00PM)
9:00 – 10:00pm

Monterey Music Summit

Monterey County Fairgrounds
Fairground Road

take Casa Verde Exit off
of Highway 1

FMI: Sandra Marshall
sandramarshall@charter.net,

www.montereymusicsummit.com

Contact Info : Sandra Marshall sandramarshall@charter.net Email : sandramarshall@charter.netThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it Url: http://www.montereymusicsummit.com"


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Bennyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #74
85. No SF or Sacramento?
Bummer. Monterey Summit music looks sweet, if really pricey. epecially considering you almost have to get a hotel in the area....I would love to see Michael Franti give DK some props....
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #85
86. San Fransisco, CA - November 11, 2007
San Fransisco, CA - Details TBA - Join Dennis at the Green Festival
November 11, 2007
Time TBD
Green Festival
San Francisco, CA
no specific location yet

http://www.dennis4president.com/index.php?option=com_jcalpro&Itemid=36&extmode=view&extid=40

:hi:


Being on the other coast all these events would be very expensive for me :(
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Bennyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 02:36 PM
Response to Reply #86
88. I migh be going to that anyway.>>nice.
It would be nice to get him to SAC then...
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:11 PM
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72. K&R for the only candidate calling for accountability n/t
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 12:34 PM
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77. I'm down with Dennis!! nt
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 01:13 PM
Response to Original message
79. I love how someone who is running for the Dem nomination actually voices
what most Americans believe should occur, the crimes done by this administration demands nothing less than arrest for justice to prevail. I wish more would speak the words aloud that most of America is uttering.
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 01:16 PM
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80. Great speech.
He needs to come give this speech in Texas. I am sick at what is happening here.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 01:18 PM
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82. I will be voting for DK in the Florida Primary.
This is exactly, I repeat EXACTLY what I want to hear.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 01:50 PM
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87. I guess only Giuliani has exercised his Miranda rights among the GOP candidates.


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jmatthan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 09:56 PM
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94. What an amazing speech!
Edited on Mon Oct-15-07 10:13 PM by jmatthan
Why was this not covered in the mainstream media.

Every day I see the utterances of this man, I wonder how Americans cannot understand they have an unique individual who should be the President of your once great nation which is now squirming in the muck as a banana republic trying to be an imperialist nation.

The utterances of Dennis Kucinich are on par and in some instances even greater than those of JFK!

(And why was he not in Iowa? Ask him. Not us! He will answer you truthfully!)
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