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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 10:23 PM
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A Scarcity of Courage
Edited on Wed Oct-24-07 10:30 PM by Time for change
I’ve never called any of our elected Democrats spineless. Nor have I, as far as I can recall, ever used similar words to describe anyone, with the exception of George W. Bush and his minions.

Why not? Because I find it very difficult to put myself in another person’s shoes. It may be true that many of our elected Democratic representatives are spineless. But I prefer to phrase the issue in a less inflammatory way. The truth of the matter is that there is a scarcity of courage in the world. Most people, most of the time, don’t act with a great deal of courage. That fact provides at least part of the answer as to why Germany let Hitler take over their country, and by the same token it provides at least part of the answer as to why our own country now appears to be slipping into dictatorship.

My intention in saying this is not to defend the many apparent lapses of courage shown by our elected representatives over the past few years. I think it would be fair to say that our elected Democratic representatives have not, as a whole, demonstrated the courage that we believe is demanded by the current crisis that our nation faces. But I’m reluctant to even say that with certainty, since I don’t know what’s going through their heads.

What I want to do in this post is put the terribly depressing situation our country now faces into perspective. I need to do that for myself in order to try to make sense of it. If in doing so I can help others put this in perspective then that would be great. In my attempt to do that, I’ve done the following:

 Recount some of the many great disappointments that we’ve faced, especially since the 2006 election
 Identify some possibly legitimate excuses for those who have disappointed us so much
 Explain why I believe it is best to avoid unnecessarily inflammatory language
 Provide my thoughts on the censure of MoveOn.org and the apology by Representative Stark
 Give an example of a former Congressman who bravely stood up to the threat of censorship for his fight against slavery
 Try to tie it all together


Great disappointments over the past year(s)

Skinner recently noted that “things have been a bit tense as of late”. And indeed things have been a bit tense. It was bad enough to live through two stolen elections and the worst presidency in the history of our nation, which seems to be moving towards a fascist dictatorship. At least prior to November 2006 most of us believed that if Democrats could pull off a victory in the mid-term elections we would begin to see some major improvements. But the failure of the leaders of our own Party to stand up to the Bush administration on issue after issue has been profoundly disappointing and tried the patience of many of us to the breaking point.

First among the great disappointments has been the taking of impeachment “off the table”. Many or most of us, including myself, see that failure alone as providing a precedent which diminishes the checks and balances of our Constitution to the point where we are in grave danger of sliding into tyranny.

Perhaps we should have seen it coming. Even prior to the mid-term elections, many Democrats were complicit in giving our President a free hand in initiating an obviously illegal war; our Democratic Senate failed to initiate investigations into the many election fraud issues that plague our nation when it had the power to do so in 2001-2002; when Senator Durbin had the courage to speak out about the abuse and torture of our prisoners he received only tepid support from his fellow Democrats in response to a barrage of malicious criticism from Republicans; all but one Democratic Senator were complicit in giving away many of our Constitutional rights by voting for the PATRIOT Act; and several of our Democratic Congresspersons were complicit in removing many of our remaining safeguards against tyranny by voting for the Military Commissions Act of 2006.

And then, after gaining control of Congress: As if we hadn’t learned enough from the Iraq War debacle, several Democratic Senators made it easier for George Bush to lead us into World War III by voting for a resolution calling Iran’s Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization; our Democratic Congress has lacked the will to refuse to fund the Iraq War; and it has censored or forced an apology from those who have had the courage to aggressively criticize the war.

Consequently we are profoundly disappointed, shocked, dumbfounded, and angry. The explanation for some of this may be found in a quote by Markos Moulitas Zuniga (page 127), referring to Speaker Pelosi’s reaction to Senator Feingold’s censor resolution of President Bush:

Nancy Pelosi chided Russ Feingold for his censure motion. She said, “The Republicans are unraveling, so don’t make news. Let’s not get in the way.”


Some possibly legitimate excuses?

The issues at stake are so great that many of us just can’t understand why our Democratic Congresspersons are acting the way they have. I have tried very hard to consider all the possibilities, and none of them are very satisfactory.

In fairness to them, I must admit that using political calculation in an attempt to solidify the Democratic majority in Congress and elect a Democratic President is not the worst thing in the world. It is a rare politician indeed who is free to express all of his/her true views without putting his/her office in great jeopardy. Indeed, there are a number of issues that are simply “unmentionable” in U.S. politics. For example, Abraham Lincoln had to tone down his anti-slavery views in order to get elected President. And then he put his Presidency to great purpose when he ended slavery forever in our country. Would we – or the former slaves – rather that he had freely expressed his views prior to his election, in which case he almost certainly would not have been elected?

And let us not forget that risking one’s career is something that is not undertaken lightly even by the most courageous of us. It is something that many or most of us have faced on one or more occasions, yet something that politicians probably face on a daily basis to a much greater extent than most of us.

And I have also speculated that the risks that our elected Democratic representatives face for being too aggressive against the Bush Administration may be far greater than losing their jobs.

And there is always the possibility that many of our Democratic Congresspersons simply view things very differently than we at DU view them. Or maybe they are simply in denial as to the grave risks that our country currently faces.

But still…. Given the current stakes, including what many of us see as the slide of our nation into tyranny, most of us feel that none of those excuses are satisfactory.


On the need to avoid inflammatory language

I’ll use a personal story to explain my feelings on this: Nearly 30 years ago I was a young public health officer in the U.S. Air Force. I had just completed an Air Force sponsored stint at Berkeley School of Public Health, and I was doing my Preventive Medicine residency at Brooks AFB in San Antonio. At Berkeley I had recently co-written my first scientific research article and was trying to get it published with my coauthor from Berkeley, who was also my research supervisor. To put mildly, we didn’t see eye to eye on many aspects of the manuscript. In fact, I thought she was a first class jerk who was doing everything she could to be obstructive, and I was terribly frustrated with her. So after many attempts to settle our differences, in exasperation I wrote her a nasty insulting (though I didn’t quite see it that way at the time) letter in a last desperate attempt to settle our differences – and I sent the letter (so I thought) through normal Air Force channels.

Little did I know that the commanding General at Brooks AFB would intercept my letter before it was mailed. He called me into his office and proceeded to gently “educate” me on the errors of my ways. He told me that if he was my research supervisor and received a letter like from me that he would tear it up and never speak to me again. He told me to re-write the letter in a more professional manner, and he implied that if a similar incident occurred in the future he would probably go beyond “educating” me.

I did as he said, and the result was that my first scientific research paper was published, which meant a great deal to me at the time. I didn’t have to prostitute myself. All I had to do was bury my anger and re-write what I had written, to produce a letter with virtually the same substance but with a more moderate “tone”.

I relate this incident because I see the guiding principle as being very similar to the issues surrounding the Senate censoring of MoveOn.org and the forced apology of Pete Stark. I have a great amount of respect for the many great things that MoveOn.org has accomplished and for the courageous and principled stance that Congressman Stark has taken against the Iraq War over a long period of time. Yet I only 95% agree with them with respect to the statements for which they were censored/forced to apologize. More specifically, I believe that those statements, though courageous and well founded for the most part, were more inflammatory than they should have been.


Thoughts on the censure of MoveOn.org and Congressman Stark’s apology

Why do I think it matters that the statements by MoveOn.org and Pete Stark were too inflammatory? Well, though I very much disagree with Nancy Pelosi’s stand on impeachment, I believe that she was correct when she said that Stark’s comments “distracted from the seriousness of the subject at hand – providing health care for America’s children”.

Many of us at DU may not see that because we feel so passionately about the Iraq War and admire Stark so much for aggressively challenging that war – which he has done on numerous occasions. But in my opinion it was not necessary or helpful for him to say that the war has been conducted “for the President’s amusement”. I myself have said that the Iraq War has been conducted for the benefit of Bush and Cheney’s corporate cronies (though I may not have said that if I were a Congressman). And so has Dennis Kucinich. Nobody tried to force Kucinich to apologize for his statement. Why Not? Because there is too much evidence to back up his statement, and Republicans don’t want to have that argument in front of a national audience. But whether Stark’s statement was true or not, few Americans would buy it (in my opinion), and in the eyes of many American voters such a statement makes him (and the Democratic Party to some extent by association) seem over the top.

The same principle applies to MoveOn’s statement. The substance of their statement was right on target and of monumental importance. But by making it into a pun they inadvertently distracted from the seriousness of the subject. Hence their message was blunted, and they were opened up for an attack.

In saying all this I am not for a moment arguing that Congress was right to censor them. Saying that Stark’s remarks were “despicable” was way more off base that Stark’s own comments.

What does it mean that MoveOn was censored and Stark was forced to apologize? It means one thing only: For the Republicans it was done to gain political points, and for the Democrats it was done to avoid losing too many political points (though whether or not the Democrats calculated correctly on that I don’t claim to know).

One more thought about Stark’s apology. I have seen that some DUers were disappointed in him for apologizing and wondered how he could make such a “180 degree turn”. I don’t see it that way at all. I thought his apology was conducted with much dignity. He showed great courage in making his original statement (even though I have some disagreement with the words he chose). But then he was faced with what he saw as a potential career endangering scenario if he refused to apologize. So maybe he didn’t quite have enough courage to resist that. Big deal! Or alternatively, he could have sincerely believed the words he used to frame his “apology”. His so-called apology didn’t in any way back down from his stand against the war. He merely said that he was sorry if he offended his colleagues or the troops. So what?


The attempted U.S. House censure of John Quincy Adams for his courageous stand against slavery

One of the best examples of a Congressman who had the courage to fight for principles with little regard for risk to his political career was John Quincy Adams. Elected to a Massachusetts seat in the U.S. House of Representatives in 1830, two years after he was soundly defeated in his bid for a second term as President, Adams served in the House for the remaining 18 years of his life before dying at his desk in the House at the age of 80. He began his long fight against slavery shortly after being elected to his first term, and he didn’t give it up until he died. The story of his courageous fight against slavery is told by William Lee Miller in his wonderful book “Arguing About Slavery – John Quincy Adams and the Great Battle in the United States Congress”.

Adams’ initial battle against slavery was directed against the infamous “gag rule”, which passed the House in 1836 and prohibited any discussion in the U.S. House of Representatives on the topic of slavery. Time and time again Adams found ways around the “gag rule”, and thus he precipitated frequent malicious attacks against him from pro-slavery Congressmen. He was warned that he could be prosecuted for his speeches on the House floor on the charge of attempting to incite a slave insurrection, and he received immense outpourings of abusive mail, including death threats. And on three separate occasions the House attempted to censure him.

The first occasion of an attempt to censure Adams arose when he requested permission to present a petition from slaves. The slaveholders became apoplectic at this suggestion, and some even wanted to expel Adams from the House for this great insult to their “honor”. In response, Adams eloquently defended the right of slaves to petition the government:

If this House decides that it will not receive petitions from slaves, under any circumstances, it will cause the name of this country to be enrolled among the first of the barbarous nations… When you establish the doctrine that a slave shall not petition because he is a slave, that he shall not be permitted to raise the cry for mercy, you let in a principle subversive of every foundation of liberty, and you cannot tell where it will stop.

Adams not only did not mind the attempts to censure him, he positively encouraged them. The third and last attempt by the slave-holders to censure Adams came following his attempt to present a petition from his constituents that prayed for the dissolution of the Union, so that they would no longer have to be associated with slavery. On that occasion Adams’ friends and allies tried to table the censure motion, but Adams voted against the motion to table, saying, “Let’s have it out. Let’s see if you can censure me”. When the motion to table failed, Adams then used the opportunity to pound away at his favorite subject for a week, using abolitionist material given to him by his abolitionist friends. And then so many petitions flowed in against the censuring of Adams that the effort to censure him was called off. And the next day Adams presented 200 more petitions.

And as he aged he tended to lose his former restraint, as shown in this reply from Adams on the House floor, in response to a Congressman who suggested that his actions could result in a civil war:

Though it cost the blood of millions of white men, let it come. Let justice be done, though the heavens fall.


Some final thoughts on political courage

Politics is a tremendously complicated business. Failure to stick up for principles is not always a sign of insufficient courage. Sometimes sticking up for certain principles is the equivalent of political suicide. Rather than commit political suicide, it is sometimes better for our best elected representatives to bide their time until they actually have the power to do something. Like Lincoln did. Or like some Nazis who made a career out of helping Jews to escape death. I continue to hope that something similar is happening in our country today, but with every passing week that appears less likely.

More often, the apparent lack of sufficient political courage is just what it appears to be – lack of sufficient political courage. I call it “lack of sufficient courage” rather than cowardice because cowardice implies something much worse than the norm. And what we’re seeing now in our Congress is not, I believe, too much worse than the norm. That is very unfortunate because, given the current precarious state of our nation, we are in great need of leaders who will demonstrate extraordinary courage. And I don’t see that happening any time soon.

In order to improve the quality of our elected leaders, several things need to happen:
 Get the money out of politics (criminalize what currently passes for legal bribery).
 Require transparent and fair elections.
 Bust up the monopolies held by wealthy corporations on our news media.
 Restore our Constitution, and with it, the notion that nobody in our country is above the law.

But first and foremost, in order for all that to happen, the American people need to wake up and demand that it happen. And I don’t know what it will take to make that happen.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-24-07 10:26 PM
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1. I'll kick that just for all the nifty links. -n/t
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 01:43 AM
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2. U.S. press freedom index drops from 17 in 2002
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 04:07 AM
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3. "what makes a king out of a slave?
what puts the flag on the mast to wave?
what makes the elephant charge his tusks
in the misty mists or the dusty dusks?
What makes the muskrat guard his musk?
What makes the Spynx the seventh wonder?
What makes the dawn, rise LIKE THUNDER?
What makes the hottentot so hot?
What puts the ape in apricot?
Whadda they got that I ain't got?"

"Courage?"

"Ha Ha, you can say that again. Huh?"

I left out all of his rhetorical answers of COURAGE.

Plus, I am afraid I may have the order wrong. :scared: :hide:


"The only problem I see around here is a major lack of GUTS!" A quote from some movie that I use to remind myself to be braver.
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bluestateboomer Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 04:26 AM
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4. I have similar thoughts.
From your comments, I sense we are similar in age and I have been similarly dismayed at the lack of leadership from our, recently elected, majority. I am not so sanguine about their lack of courage. Given the current political climate, you had to know going into office you were going to be a target. If you weren't prepared to resist you should have picked another line of work. We the people need representatives of strength and character, men and women who take their oath of office very seriously. I thought that was what I was voting for. Events have proved differently.

Given my age I probably can survive the next few years no matter what disasters befall our country, but I do have a sense of guilt for not being able to leave an intact democracy for our children. I do plan to continue banding together with others trying to make the right choices for our future. I still hold out hope, but the hope seems slimmer day by day .


Persevere....:scared:
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 10:23 AM
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14. Absolutely, we do need "representatives of strength and characater"
who take their oath of office very seriously.

And I'm afraid that too many of them fall short in that regard, and it could have disastrous consequences for our nation. I am not sanguine about their lack of sufficient courage to meet the current demands of our country (or whatever the reason may be for their failure to meet those demands). It is a problem of monumental importance IMO.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 05:05 AM
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5. And it wasn't inflammatory when Jesse Helms actually threatened Clinton's life?
What were the consequences for him.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 08:21 AM
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12. Absolutely it was
But I don't think that the key to the success of the Democratic party is to adopt the rhetoric and policies of Republicans. Jesse Helms got elected several times as a Senator from NC. But he wouldn't stand much of a chance in a national election.

We don't have to mimic Republican tactics in order to fight them. Congress can impeach Bush and Cheney for war crimes and many other impeachable offenses without using unnecessarily inflammatory rhetoric or personal attacks. In fact, the use of such tactics would decrease the chances of success of an impeachment effort IMO.

By the same token, in 1941-5, our country didn't have to adopt the rhetoric and actions of the Nazis in order to fight them.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 06:01 AM
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24. My point was the consequences
I am fucking sick and TIRED of Dems taking crap from right wing thugs, and being such fucking wusses about defending our own. If never apologizing was good enough for Harry Truman as a strategy, it's good enough for me.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 05:19 AM
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6. WHAT will it take?
I've been asking that for YEARS. :freak:
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 01:25 PM
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16. That's the $64 billion question
Please let me know when you find out.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 09:58 AM
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26. Ten dollars for a gallon of gas (nt)
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 05:25 AM
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7. Very good.
Well thought out, and extremely well written. This is what DU is like at it's best. Thank you.

Nominated.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 12:02 PM
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15. Thank you very much H2O Man
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mirrera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 05:31 AM
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8. Thanks I needed that...n/t
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 05:35 AM
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9. I'm fine. The Democrats showed the highest Democratic unity score in 51 years.
Edited on Thu Oct-25-07 05:36 AM by Perry Logan
That means they're not cowards. What a relief, huh?

"President Bush's success rating in the Democratic-controlled House has fallen this year to a half-century low, and he prevailed on only 14 percent of the 76 roll call votes on which he took a clear position.

"So far this year, Democrats have backed the majority position of their caucus 91 percent of the time on average on such votes. That marks the highest Democratic unity score in 51 years."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1728952&mesg_id=1728952
http://public.cq.com/docs/cqt/news110-000002576765.html

Don't let the media rhetoric fool you. The Democrats have acquitted themselves quite well--especially given their bare majority in both houses, and a relentlessly obstructionist Republican minority.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 03:36 PM
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17. That's interesting information, thank you
That's an impressive percent of opposition against Bush's plans.

However, it's only part of the story. Notwithstanding the impressive numbers of bills on which they've opposed Bush, they've still acquiesced on some of the most important issues. Most importantly, they've allowed Bush to shred our Constitution and have failed to hold him accountable for that. That's one issue where it seems to me that "Democratic unity" is much more of a negative than it is a positive.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 06:19 AM
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10. Yes, a lack of courage.
Edited on Thu Oct-25-07 06:20 AM by mmonk


We must not allow it to remain scarce.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 06:46 AM
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11. I want to go back to my job
of helping provide a living for my family. If congress did their job, it could happen for me. I miss that normalcy, that carefree rhythm of life.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 05:30 PM
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18. How ?
How would Congress doing their job enable you to do that?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 10:41 PM
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23. Because if they were doing their job as outlined in the
constitution, they would defend the constitution and provide a check and balance. Since they aren't, I have to keep raising hell, contacting people, attending meetings, etc.
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:09 AM
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13. It depends on where you sit
some of them are cowards, and some are worse than cowards.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 08:54 PM
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21. Worse than cowards
Those are the ones who put primary emphasis on serving corporate interests simply because that's where they get their money. It's a great perversion of democracy, and something needs to be done about it.
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ideagarden Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 06:37 PM
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19. not a lack of courage, but a sum of fears
I do think your thoughts on courage are pointed and well put. However the reason we have been put or forced into the current situation is from fear. First confront fear from which it arose. Look at the influences of the bankers Felix Rohatyn and George Schultz. Look at the prospect of what could happen if we let them continue and look at how ruthless they act. In any thought experiment first confront the cause, then rise up. I see none looking at the true cause of the current situation, but rather are caught, tail between legs, trying to pick up the pieces.

The second point I you made is that civility of office is necessary to uphold dignity. Your point arose from your life experience of a boss, of whom you need to progress your carrier. The boss of the House and Senate is US, that is the people and the US in USA. Pelosi is not the boss, Bush / Cheney is not the boss, the people are the boss. Using strong words is a way to promote reactions good or bad, and a way to distance oneself from the cause of fear. Biding your time and your Nazi example is wrong, plain old wrong. The reason you don't know the answer to what will make the America people wake up is because your biding time. You like many are scared of those in power.

To help us awaken look first at the ideas in history. How they came to be, how they were perpetuated, and who perpetuated them. The events will unfold naturally from these perspectives. Your 4 concluding points are said so often. They need to be said everyday in House and Senate meetings. I propose this: a free election system run solely (or soul-ly) by people. In order for a more perfect nation a people must be moved. It can be done! Ask for invitations to speak. Ask for a base to print packets for distribution. Ask for the media to come to you and not visa versa - don't pay those jokers a dime. It can be done! That is what needs to be demanded: to unite.

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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 07:52 PM
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20. Well, there's a lot to fear
Fear doesn't have to be a paralyzing force, rather it can be a force that motivates action. It isn't fear itself that is necessarily the enemy, it is the inappropriate reaction to fear. Some people deny danger because they aren't mentally prepared to face it. That's not courage, it's foolishness.

I think you misunderstand me if you think that I was advocating that we bide our time. I don't believe that I have ever done that with regard to the Bush administration, as you can see from this post, where I advocate removing Bush and Cheney from office as soon as possible:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1405625

With regard to inflammatory language and the need for civility, that's an issue that can be quite complicated. Obviously there are circumstances where civility isn't called for. I contrasted Stark's statement with Kucinich's because I believed that Kucinich's statement about Bush's motives for war in Iraq were based upon a good deal of evidence, whereas I feel that Stark's statement was more in the line of a personal attack. I believe that the former is usually more constructive. When we engage in personal attacks we run the risk that the substance of our argument will therefore be ignored.
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ideagarden Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 12:04 PM
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27. I thought more...
Perhaps we can write a letter describing the utmost intentions of the fascists in power to the leaders. There is a good article in EIR describing just that:
http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/10/26/blackwater-nazis-aim-homeward-kristallnacht-virginia.html
I think it is becoming more evident that is the fear we face. I hope their fear motivates them.

As for civility, I must say I caught myself being a sophist, all feathers and no ideas. Stark should have said his words to a comedy show or a news media as an outrage to the stonewalling. That would be more effective to rouse the people I think. On the floor though, the cool, calm and collected will win.

Thanks for your good discussions.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-25-07 09:49 PM
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22. Kicked and Highly Recommended
Great post! ..... as usual :-)

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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-26-07 09:10 AM
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25. "Words, words, words. I'm so sick of words. I get words all day through, first from him
now from you. Is that all you blighters can do?"

Liza, singing in My Fair Lady. Yes, she was wanting Freddy to shut up and kiss her, but the emotion is the same. I would like the Dems to shut up and take action. Stop arguing over who said what and how it was said. Let's see some real opposition. Let's see money stop flowing to the Iraq War. Let's see Bush/Cheney put on notice that Congress isn't going to sit by and watch them start war with Iran.

I want ACTION, not words!
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