Impeach Cheney!

[H2O Man]

{1} "Before November 15, 1973 a number of Resolutions calling for the impeachment of President Richard M. Nixon had been introduced in the House of Representatives, and had been referred by the Speaker of the House, Hon. Carl Albert, to the Committee on the Judiciary for consideration. On November 15, anticipating the magnitude of the Committee's task, the House voted funds to enable the Committee to carry out its assignment and in that regard to select an inquiry staff to assist the Committee." -- House Judiciary Committee; "Constitutional Grounds for Presidential Impeachment"; 1974

Progressive grass roots democrats want the House to send the Cheney Impeachment Resolution to the Judiciary Committee. That is perfect.

[babylonsister]

1. Do we want it sent to a committee or do we want an open discussion? nt

[H2O Man]

5. Committee.

Cheneyites want the instant debate; WaterPeople want it to go to Committee.

[babylonsister]

12. WaterPeople? Meaning your guys?

:D Hmmm, I thought Hoyer wanted it to go to committee, i.e., go away!

[H2O Man]

14. There are a lot

of conflicting interests right now. As someone who has advocated the impeachment of VP Cheney since the summer of 2003 -- when the events known as the "Plame scandal" began to be known -- I have wanted this to go to the Judiciary Committee.

Those who have claimed that they wanted "serious investigations" should now step forward, and join the organic grass roots process that leads to impeachment and conviction.

[babylonsister]

18. Per Matthews, it's dead in the Judiciary. nt

[Me.]

27. Mike Viquera Said That

And he's something of a conventonal wisdom, media hack.

[H2O Man]

29. Right.

It is not "dead." There will be attempts to kill it, however. But it is important to remember this got farther along than anticipated.

[antigop]

48. But the Judiciary Committee already had an impeachment resolution before it.

How is this any different and why should we expect any different result?

[JDPriestly]

62. Here is what the Judiciary Committee website says.

"The committee has a very busy agenda - over the next two weeks, we hope to pass a FISA bill, to vote on contempt of Congress citations, pass legislation on prisoner re-entry, court security and a variety of other very important items. We were surprised that the minority was so ready to move forward with consideration of a matter of such complexity as impeaching the Vice President. The Chairman will discuss today's vote with the committee members but it would seem evident that the committee staff should continue to consider, as a preliminary matter, the many abuses of this Administration, including the Vice President." - House Judiciary Committee Spokeswoman

http://judiciary.house.gov/newscenter.aspx?A=880

I don't want any FISA bill passed. I want electronic surveillance without a warrant to end.

[asdjrocky]

63. Matthews is such a tool

[fed-up]

2. and then BUSH-thank-you Dennis!!!!!!! nt

[H2O Man]

34. This is a large step

towards putting the OVP in check, so that he will not be in a position to push the strikes on Iranian targets.

[Mme. Defarge]

57. Check.

[fasttense]

3. They just voted to do just that.n/t

[H2O Man]

35. This is good news. n/t

[Gregorian]

4. A quick look at the members of the Judiciary Committee. It seems good.

More Dems. Conyers. Wasserman.

I'm struggling to follow this.

[H2O Man]

8. There are conflicting

interests. But I believe that the singing of "Positive Vibrations" is doing some good!

[Gregorian]

20. Well, I just got news within one minute of the vote.

I just got my property, if I want it.

The goofball seller wants to log an acre or two, and let it go. I'd be poor, but I'd have some land.

I had to post this, since from 1999, during the Gore v. Bush, until right now, this whole political train of events has paralleled my real estate endeavors very closely.

So, this may be a sign of positive things to come. :)

[madokie]

22. we're hoping so

[Baby Snooks]

61. More Dems falling in line...

More Dems falling in line with the "party manifesto" of the Empress. I give this a zero chance of even being considered by the committee until next November. Right after the election.

[bobthedrummer]

6. First Richard B. Cheney, then George Walker Bush

Call Congress 1-800-828-0498, 1-800-862-5530, 1-800-833-6354

[H2O Man]

9. Please call.

Very important!

[bobthedrummer]

32. Yes, and just as I called yesterday and today-tommorrow John Conyers and others

will be called.

IMPEACH GEORGE W. BUSH NEXT!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

7. The voters did know about Kucinich's resolution until today

just look at the publicity!

[H2O Man]

41. Right.

Many people were not aware, because the corporate media frequently fails to report on things like this. A few weeks ago, I had attended the "teach-in on impeachment" in Binghamton, NY. There are at least 6 newspapers and 3 television stations that should have had reporters there. None did.

Our work is cut out for us. We need to be bringing this to the public's attention, through LYYE, etc.

[OneGrassRoot]

10. Thank God/Goddess. I don't really understand what is...

happening until you weigh in, H2O Man. Thanks for doing so.

Time to read....

[H2O Man]

15. They tend to

make it complicated. But today's events have created an opportunity for the truth to come out.

[mmonk]

25. That is the important thing but members can't be bullied

in playing games with the calendar by members sympathetic with letting Cheney skate.

[Me.]

26. Will They Call Fitzgerald

now?

[H2O Man]

28. No.

If the Judiciary Committee moves forward, they have no reason to call him. If they expanded the resolution to include abuses of power (per Plame), it doesn't involve Mr. Fitzgerald. The earlier calling on him was meaningless show.

To access the FBI/grand jury investigation, in regard to information on Cheney (rather than Libby), the House can now ask a federal judge to release the "pot of gold." And the federal courts have to decide this based on "case law," and that means the courts would certainly rule in the House's favor. That would include things such as VP Cheney's interview with Mr. Fitzgerald. But there is no need to call Patrick himself.

[Beetwasher]

11. Yes! This Has Now Become A MASSIVE Story!

Drag it out. Debate it! impeach!

Repubs thought they were being clever. Let's hope it backfires.

[lonestarnot]

40. And it will!

:toast:

[Bitwit1234]

13. Albert...that's the guys name that got Inhofe off the hook

when he was going to be indicted for fraud over his insurance company. But wasn't Albert Democrat, why did he go all out for a republican.

[H2O Man]

16. You can tell

a tree by its fruit. Remember that when you read some of the silly things that the conservative democrats say to try to make today's events look like a bad thing.

[me b zola]

30. Thank you

I have been all over the map trying to separate fact from fiction, knowing that there were/are many unknowns (geez I'm tired, that sounded like rummy). I can always count on you to bring the lens into focus and still the commotion.

I'm going to go now and take a deep breath. Me & my dialing fingers will get back on it after a rest.

[Me.]

17. Cheney's Approval Rating

Is about 9% now

[DearAbby]

19. Doing the DearAbby OKIE DOKIE DANCE

can't get more positive than that :-D

Warning: move aside, flying cellulite, may be hazzardous to your health.

[LSK]

21. thank you again H20 Man

I feel like I'm beating my head against the wall trying to explain to people the magnitude of todays vote.

[H2O Man]

23. It's a big step

along the way to reclaiming our Constitutional democracy.

[madokie]

24. Just what I have been wanting to read

[druidity33]

31. i've been looking

for an update that is not so cryptic. Does this mean that the motion to table DID NOT pass? Has it now gone to the Judiciary Committee? What's this about Steny pulling the rug out from under?

[H2O Man]

33. There was

an attempt to table the resolution; at first, it looked like it would pass. But then the vote shifted, and the republicans kept it alive.

They wanted to have a one-hour debate, followed by a vote. The democrats moved to refer it to the Judiciary Committee.

I believe the Judiciary Committee is the proper place. The Speaker will try to keep it from being looked at, but there is a growing movement to make a serious effort to consider the merits of the case.

Few people thought it would get this far today.

[KoKo]

53. That was one of my thoughts...few people thought it would get that far...

but by niggling feeling was that the Repugs helped us in some way. I can't imagine why I think this...but all that work they did changing their votes would seem to juvenile to just be for spite.

I wonder how many Repugs might just be "sending a message." AND...were both Dems AND Repugs in on it?

I just have this feeling there is so much more there with that strange vote today that went on for an hour and a half. Those folks don't want to delay their agenda and push things so they can't leave on time on Friday... Why allow Kucinich to get that far when a "Tabling of the Resolution" would have suited both the Dems and Repugs. It's still curious to me. But, I may be very stressed and seeing things that aren't there...maybe too hopeful.

[SlowDownFast]

36. K&R.

We're still waiting for the congressional investigation...

[Kurovski]

37. Oh, you...

with all your "impeachment this" and "impeachment that". K&R!

:hug:

[spanone]

38. Thank You H2O Man. You Have Kept the Faith Alive.

i had the sense that the republicans we're going for a quick kill. an embarrassment vote.

the committee will do it's constitutional duty now that congress has requested as much.

also, as you say, it will shine a light on all things cheney, and that's always good.

recommended

[lonestarnot]

39. I heard that the pugs voted for it in an effort to embarrass the dems

into supporting the dick. NOT ON YOUR LIFE OR MINE EITHER! CNN is full of shitso!

[robertpaulsen]

42. Maybe this Rethug attempt to embarrass Dems will have unanticipated blowback.

The Baltimore Sun's blog, The Swamp, describes the resolution as "buried in committee."

But Rep. Kucinich said in a press conference late Tuesday afternoon that he believed the measure may still have a life.

"I've spoken to Mr. Conyers and I'm quite confident that the ball is in good hands," said Kucinich.

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Kucinich_not_stopping_with_Cheney_plans_1106.html

I've sent Conyers copies of American Judas and have yet to hear a response. But that doesn't necessarily mean he or his staff hasn't read it. Maybe Conyers will take those Rethug votes and throw it right back in their face along the lines of, "Well, having examined Cheney's actions in committee, new evidence has come to light..."

Hope springs eternal!

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

43. STAWPIT!!!! Don't be stupid. BE REAL! Cheney is the "puppeteer" over our,...

,...government and no one is fearless enough to challenge that bullish, HEART-LESS, murderous bastard.

Name one person, other than Kucinich, to challenge this bastard.

On edit: okay, there are many who have challenged the bastard,...name one mentioned on TEEVEE, HAH!!!

[yoyossarian]

49. Puppeteer indeed...

...but who's pulling his strings???
I'll give ya 41 guesses...



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[earth mom]

44. Hell Yeah!

:applause:

[Tatiana]

45. What I want to know is whether the Judiciary Comm. has the authority to hire a special prosecutor.

Is it legally/Constitutionally possible for an investigation into the OVP to be funded through the Judiciary Committee? Because if it is, I think this is the way to go. Of course Congress doesn't have the time to do the actual investigating. That's why they need to appoint someone else that the majority of the committee members can agree upon to start investigating, report the findings back to the Judiciary Committee within a certain timeline, and then send the results to the full House to vote on possible articles of impeachment.

[H2O Man]

47. They really don't need to.

They have everything they need. There is enough to justify impeachment, and to get a conviction, if people make decisions based upon the evidence. The only way Cheney will not be impeached and convicted is if congress ignores the evidence.

[Tatiana]

51. Yes, but you know the public wants to hear the other "I" word...

As in "investigation." I think a prosecutor would give impeachment proceedings a layer of legitimacy that the non-29%'ers would embrace. If Dems simply introduced articles without benefit of a formal investigation, their fear is that they would be derided as commencing a partisan witch hunt. A prosecutor would give those cowardly Dems cover (i.e. "we're voting to impeach based on irrefutable evidence submitted by a United States prosecutor").

I'm for impeaching Cheney period. But I realize it may take providing cowardly Dems (and Republicans) with political cover to place the topic "on the table."

[H2O Man]

52. If there was a

prosecutor named, and money spent on finding what is already on the record, I suspect that would become an issue to distract attention, and call the effort a waste of time and money.

[cali]

46. Why would we want it sent back to Committee where it will

languish? Conyers has stated that it's not going anywhere.

Edited to add: It's been in Judiciary since May 7 of this year.

[berni_mccoy]

50. Exactly. Thank you. BEEN THERE DONE THAT.

[WillyT]

54. NO !!! - Of Course Not...

We wouldn't want them to send it to another part of the Kabuki Congress to dance prettily...

Some of us here want to put everbody on the record as to where they stand.

Apparently... some Dems are too cowardly to let this become a (d)emocratic matter.

What's your problem boys and girls???

Notice I didn't say... CHICKENSHITS!

Parcheesy anyone?

:nuke:

[robinlynne]

55. I was thinking the committee would need funds and people. Is that what we should push for? Or should

we just be pushing Conyers to accept the task. I think one way to pressure Conyers is through the black caucus. that is one beautiful progressive group of people, and several of them are on the committee and support impeachment.

[TacticalPeek]

56. Cheney first!

Then, Stupid.

[H2O Man]

58. Cheney first.

He is the key.

[snappyturtle]

59. Proud to give the 50th R and here's a kick for the hope that came

through the House of Representatives yesterday! :kick:

[spanone]

60. Error: You've already recommended that thread.